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Transforming Desire
    #3901849 - 03/11/05 11:58 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

As human beings our desires tend to be very short term and superficial.  If we are going to wish for something, why not let it be nothing less than complete enlightenment for all beings. That's something worthy of desire.

Desire and attachment won't change overnight, but desire becomes less ordinary as we redirect our worldly yearning toward the aspiration to become enlightened for the benefit of others. At the same time, we  don't abandon the ordinary objects of our desires--relationships, wealth, fame--but our attachment to them lessens as we contemplate their impermanence. 

Not rejecting them, rejoicing in our fortune when they arise, yet recognizing that they won't last, we begin to build qualities of  spiritual maturity. As our attachment slowly decreases, harmful actions that would normally result from attachment are reduced. We create less negative karma, more fortunate karma, our positive qualities gradually increase........ :heart:


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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: egghead1]
    #3901857 - 03/11/05 12:00 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

> That's something worthy of desire.

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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: Seuss]
    #3901910 - 03/11/05 12:11 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

We can all agree that desire is a pretty strong emotion within human beings. Becuase of its power we can utilize it for the purpose of enligtenment. Usually our desire's are extremly self-centered, if we can develop the intention to direct our strong desire purely for the purpose of enligtenemnet for the benefit of one and all which is a less selfish purpose than our superficial ones, we can make quite swift progress on a path toward enlightenment using this method. Its like rolling all our self-centered desires into one selfless purpose, of course it takes time, but slowly we can begin to transform all of our selfcenterd attitudes into one virtuous intention........... :heart:


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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: egghead1]
    #3902200 - 03/11/05 01:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

yes yes yes and
no.

does desire not fall among the 3 roots?
hatred, greed and delusion is often stated as ill will, desire and delusion.

personally my favourite naming forthe 3 "evil" roots is aversion, attraction, (and #3 - error - I wish it started with an A - so I could have AAA standing for the problem - and for many it is.)

Any way, it is so easy to remember - almost nothing to it, since instinct amounts to run away and come hither. all the same very very basic. the persistent residue of our animal heritage.

run away is aversion, connected to hatred, even fear.
and come hither is attraction or desire.

that is the main duality of roots or motivation, and basic instinct.

error or delusion is something else and I wish they just said two roots but there you have it - I am not the BUDDHA, if he wants 3 roots I give ya 3 roots.

anyway, the point of all this simplicity is that desire is not an emotion it is a root. a component in any citta. citta is a component of attitude when sequenced, and of memory - whether sequenced or not. A memory, or attitude expression in which body feelings are complexed in is what emotion is - especially if some glandualr secretions get happenning.

blah blah blah about emotion vs a simple root.
desire is a root not an emotion.

now the topic is transforming desire, particularly - let me paraphrase since I am trashing the terms anyway, I must paraphrase -

"cultivating an attitude that promotes enlightenment of all beings."

that is a good thing.

for me, being clear about the simplest things helps with enlightenment


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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3903031 - 03/11/05 03:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Yes  :thumbup: .

Desire is the driving force behind all self-centered emotions and delusion. We are living in a realm of sense desire, we want this, we want that, whether its material or a state of mind. but what we all know in our heart of hearts is that what we truly desire is permanent happiness.

Unfortunately sense objects can never satisfy this desire because they are by the law of nature impermanent. If we can in every moment, see the ignorance of grasping at impermanent objects, whether it be states of mind or material things, we can enjoy these things while they last, but without the knowledge and reflection on impermanence, we suffer when they inevitably die. Its like grasping at steem.

Unconditional love, means love without attachment. Lots of people generally confuse love with attachment. We have to let go of all our attachments to really know true universal, unconditional love...... :heart:


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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: egghead1]
    #3903194 - 03/11/05 03:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I guess you don't like to differentiate between component and aggregate, as you moved emotion down two levels or desire up two levels of archtecture.

roots (from instinct) are in each citta (mind moment) as attributes.

citta is the subunit of experiencing as well as memory and attitude (including emotions & memory sequences, habits) spontaneously (live input) or from memory (prompted)

and attitude sequences are the subunits of the convincingly seamless movie we like to call "ego" or personality

I think you can still do a lot with the views you have
including "transfiguration" of "desire" into "socially transcendent goals". it is constructive, and in this case you are using the term "desire" as a higher level construct, allowing it to be confused with emotion and taking it out of its place at the lower granularity (i.e. with the roots from instinct).

I am sure the effort, "transfiguration", will be functional anything can be called anything and invoked and used, even if the skew kind of needs a mental wormhole to connect the components. Eventually you can transcend the more animal drives of instinct which abhidhamma calls the negative roots. (even like raising kundalini - the snake like root chakkra energy - which is also a kind of skewed look at what is happenning but it also can work if your consistent in your heart.)

or

you can do the same thing by finding the things in their natural place already.


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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3903464 - 03/11/05 04:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"Desire is the driving force behind all self-centered emotions and delusion." that makes it a root.

The heart of the message communicated is most important. Did it get lost in the thicket of concepts? Fortunately things are always in there natural place, the truth is right under our noses, the joke is that impermanence is the only permanent reminder we can rely on.

Reflect on this........ :heart:


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Re: Transforming Desire [Re: egghead1]
    #3903923 - 03/11/05 06:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

right
heart is at the heart of it. :heart:


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