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 Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? 
#1582798 - 05/27/03 08:57 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well Shroomerites I'm going through some hard times financially as a broke college student, and I'm sure plenty of you can relate. My parents pay my tuition, but that's about it. I can't get a job because my classes take up too much time. I'm desperate for some spare cash just for food and basic living supplies, and so deperate times call for desperate measures. I've decided to basically sell a lot of material things that I used to hold so dear. My CDs, video games, books, TV, etc. I'm going all out because I'm also planning to save up cash for an apartment. Basically all I'll have left is my clothes and computer.
Have any of you guys had to live in similar or "worse" conditions? I'm kinda looking forward to it since it'll be a big change for me, and I'm not sure if it'll bring enlightenment or boredom... what do you think?
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 Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1582839 - 05/27/03 09:15 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Similar here, except im not looking for a job which i probibly should though, and i have less material possesions. Ive never been big on money or material possesions, and i don't know why?
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: johnnyfive]
#1582893 - 05/27/03 09:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was in a similar position, so I started selling marijuana, there is a huge market for weed at colleges. I think it will definitly lead to boredom unless you plan to supplement your material loss with new hobbies.......like....running through forests or, doing pushups...or hitting on girls at the cafeteria.
get a jiffy marker and start writing things in really noticible places, that will keep you occupied and provide adventure.
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Edited by atomikfunksoldier (05/27/03 09:29 PM)
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1583088 - 05/27/03 10:17 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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In this case, you are giving up your material possessions for money. I don't think that's what I'd call enlightenment.
Enlightenment is a funny word, no? It's fun to say out loud.
EN-LIGHT-EN-MENT.
-RebelSteve
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: RebelSteve33]
#1583100 - 05/27/03 10:21 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think enlightenment comes in many forms, and if giving up all your material possessions in exchange for nothing is how it comes for you, then I say rock on!
If you give them up for money, though, you are just exchanging one material thing for another. There is no enlightenment. Even if the money is to buy food and "basic necessities." There are other ways to achieve those things besides money. I guess I just don't think it's enlightenment in your case because you are not fully rejecting materialism. If you're basing enlightenment on rejecting materialism, that is.
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Namaste.
Edited by RebelSteve33 (05/27/03 10:22 PM)
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: RebelSteve33]
#1583114 - 05/27/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good point.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1583436 - 05/28/03 12:11 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The more I have, the less I want....
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Adamist]
#1583551 - 05/28/03 12:40 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The less I want, the more I have.
A mind is a terrable thing to waste. 
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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Murex]
#1584732 - 05/28/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'ma twentyfirst century digital boy i dont have a lot of friends but i have a lot of toys
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1584787 - 05/28/03 11:52 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I was your age I lived in a paper lunch bag at the side of the road. The only clothes I had was an old bottle cap from a Schlitz Malt liquor bottle. Times were tough but I was happy.
*sigh*
I miss the good ol' days. 
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: RebelSteve33]
#1584967 - 05/28/03 12:33 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if the money is to buy food and "basic necessities." There are other ways to achieve those things besides money
How unless its the soup kitchen or something like that?
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: johnnyfive]
#1585023 - 05/28/03 12:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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garden, firepit?
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: debianlinux]
#1585153 - 05/28/03 01:36 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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less material possessions = enlightenment ?
we live in a society where that formula doesn't exactly work.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: infidelGOD]
#1585161 - 05/28/03 01:39 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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what are you talking about you infidel! all the homeless people Ive met have been enlightened. especially the ones that get mad and swear at you if you dont give them your bus ticket.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]  1
#1585178 - 05/28/03 01:44 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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they have not chosen to give up their material possessions in exchange for enlightenment, though. in their case it was out of their control. i have met homeless people who did seem rather enligthened, though.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: RebelSteve33]
#1585182 - 05/28/03 01:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuck enlightenment, its all an illusion created by the cessasion of our attachment to our sensory produced ego.
all an illusion, quit foolin yourself.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Scarfmeister]
#1585184 - 05/28/03 01:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I'ma twentyfirst century digital boy i dont have a lot of friends but i have a lot of toys"
dude you got that wrong:
"I'm a twenty-first century digital boy - I don't know how to read but I gotta lotta toys! My daddy's a lazy middle-class intellectual; my mommy's on valium, so ineffectu-ah-ah-al. Ain't life a miss-terr-eeeee-yeah
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 Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1585193 - 05/28/03 01:49 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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come on people now, smile on your brother, everybody get together try to love one another right now 
and give all your possesions to homeless people
and have charitable sex with fat ugly chicks
and eat green vegetables all day
yay! enlightenment!
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: infidelGOD]
#1586634 - 05/28/03 09:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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..............Urk. 
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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?
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 Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1586991 - 05/28/03 11:23 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have been, err.. am in hard times. The darkness gets very viscous indeed.
It is in our abilities to rise above such things. Material things come and go, but you remain. 'Entertainment' need not come from outside yourself, but a few basic things don't hurt. I don't consider CD's, books, computers, and in some cases, TV, to be negative material possessions, because they can be used for spiritual purposes. If I had to get rid of every material possession, I would still keep my books and my music and of course clothes because materialistically, that is all I truly care about. Even aliens have books and music 
But you do what you can to survive. I sold my TV.
Having no posessions though, it does kind of force you to look within more often. You can choose to use this to your benefit, mentally, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. You can create your own entertainment...you'd be surprised what bored people can come up with. Whatever path you take I wish you much wisdom and insight along the journey.
Namaste
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: debianlinux]
#1587006 - 05/28/03 11:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Garden,.. of course, but that takes a growing season, i was looking for an answer in the temporary realm.
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 Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: johnnyfive]
#1587088 - 05/29/03 12:05 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Possible options:
Get a job, sell stuff, sell your sperm, participate in a healthy study, soup kitchen, free samples at the grocery store..and lots of other things. That's leaving out the more underhanded ways.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Shroomism]
#1587400 - 05/29/03 02:04 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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sell drugs, pimp women, kill people, despose toxic waste, smuggle illegal aliens, bootleg cds, shoplift, rob people, set things on fire, drown puppies, smash windows....etc etc
many ways to make money.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1587410 - 05/29/03 02:06 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yep those are some of the other ones..
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1587418 - 05/29/03 02:10 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuck enlightenment, its all an illusion created by the cessasion of our attachment to our sensory produced ego.
The sensory produced ego is a raft of order to hold onto in the chaos of reality. When you aren't holding onto that raft, you will most likely drown. However, some people adapt and 'learn to swim', meaning they will awaken to a different, equally valid reality. This is what most people refer to as 'enlightenment'. It is a transformation of the ego, not the death of it. It is the cessation of desire or want... This creates an ego that is more fluid, peaceful, and harmonious.
We should all really learn to swim... It would make things so much easier.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Adamist]
#1587462 - 05/29/03 02:21 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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"We should all really learn to swim... It would make things so much easier"
i think a speedboat would be much easier than swimming.....until you ran out of gas.
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1588201 - 05/29/03 08:08 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I was your age I lived in a paper lunch bag at the side of the road. The only clothes I had was an old bottle cap from a Schlitz Malt liquor bottle. Times were tough but I was happy.
Luxury.
When I was a youngster, our family of 17 lived in a rolled-up newspaper under the bridge. We spent all day foraging for cigarette butts and when we got home our daddy would beat us unconscious with a broken bottle, and that was if he was in a good mood!
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Grav]
#1588451 - 05/29/03 10:32 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I stopped trying to make sense out of the world a long time ago. The problem i have with people is, enlightened or not, there is nothing to stop anyone from be-having in any manner they choose, and second you are gonna die anyways, death does exsist, no one knows, enlightened or not hat happens when you die, the human mind is either intentionally designed in a limited way, it was a fluke, or somewhere burried beyond enlightenment we have the resources to become almost completely independant gods, however i highly doubt this last one.
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 Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: Grav]
#1588880 - 05/29/03 01:28 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's nothing! When I was younger.......
nah
nevermind.
Too funny!
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: ]
#1589173 - 05/29/03 02:54 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you seek to fulfill your self with "toys" you will end up in deception and eventual boredom.
Saying that, we live in a material world, and for all of those that are in the low end meaning pretty broke, you now know what your spiritual work should be, to better your economical situation.
You need to have a minimum of command of the physical world before jumping to the spiritual.
I remember the time when I did not know how I was going to be able to pay my rent, and the state of my mind in those days comparing to now, that I have my home paid off my land money saved up and much more free time, I can say the later is better.
I live very simple now, but when I really want something that I think I can get some use or pleasure I don?t hesitate to buy it.
I recommend you guys buy a book that helped me a lot "your money or your life
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Re: Less material possessions: enlightenment or boredom? [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
#1590233 - 05/29/03 06:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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...smuggle illegal aliens...
Yeah, I am set for life after sneaking in that brood of Reptilians from Alpha Centauri in the hold of my star freighter...
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