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Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?!
    #5842040 - 07/10/06 01:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Does anyone ever practice dying in any way? Has anyone ever done what Ram Dass suggested one do (psychedelics implied) - lying down and pretending that this is your time to die. Cry if you want to, express anger, remorse, fear, resentment towards the living, whatever? Does anyone ever lie down for a nap (during the day when one can more clearly look around the room first), or go to sleep at night and pretend that this is it - I may not ever return to the waking state? I have done these things for years. Not all the time but periodically. Why?...

I used to fear death until I reasoned that if death was mere cessation, it would be indistinguishable from Delta wave sleep - dark, unconscious, dreamless sleep. If that was the case, there would be nothing frightening at all about it - but a nagging fear - irrational by nature - persisted. Then I began to become 'cosmic.' My soul began to be become 'psychedelicized.' I began to explore metaphysical possibilities like the mysteries veiled by death: heavens, hells, transmigrations, metempsychosis, reincarnation, rebirth - not just cessation or annihilation. I tried to talk to my mother about such things for 20 years. She remained an atheist to her dying day, but even worse - a materialist. Not even a non-theistic belief in the Clear Light - nothing. I spoke with her two days before she died (a death I eventually assisted her in) and the notion of 'Light' freaked her out! Darkness was comprehensible, but Light suggested 'Something Else' - another form of existence - The Unknown.

I had another birthday yesterday and it reminded one of those spaces that Stan Groff has codified. It reminded me of my Big Trip of 7/4/73 which is probably archived here, in which I relived my birth experience - an Experience which fueled my passion to live in a way that I never had to undergo birth again. My fear of death expanded into an equal or greater fear of rebirth. Interesting huh? One of my major hopes is to live long enough that the 'Snake' in the center of the Tibetan Buddhist Wheel of Life - 'Lust' (along with the Cock of Pride and the Pig of Anger) ceases to influence me. Sexual visions at the time of death along with arousal are supposed to draw one right back into a new womb. I do not choose to believe this, but I seem to be "compelled" (as my Lady Rose put it) to believe this, based upon the powerful polymorphous sexuality that accompanied the death-defying crushing suffocation of the birth experience. More Groff, and metaphysics. Celibacy was not a useful means to alleviate my predilection for sex, promiscuity merely throws fuel on the fires of desire, but the Middle Way of monogamous sex is a compromise. It can be used Tantrically or Kabbalistically to effect a Shiva-Shakti, Tiphereth-Yesod [Sun-Moon] Union - at least theoretically.

So, desire-fear, attraction-revulsion, eros-thanatos, life-death: the basic duality characterizing existence (1,0) needs to be transcended here and now - not later. As BE HERE NOW states it "Later never comes." Can I stop, freeze-frame life in an intense moment of samadhi whenever I want to and be perfectly ready for death/Liberation? Can you? Without certainty, but with some intuition, can you be ever-cognizant of The Ultimate Condition throughout existence (while in a dental chair, while making love, while giving birth, while receiving flowers, while attending a funeral, etc., etc.? Is there a base-line of Undying Awareness running through the peaks and troughs of your existence? Does anyone care one way or another?


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5842048 - 07/10/06 01:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

primal screamer
terminal screamer
I'm just a dreamer not a screamer
lots more in middle than at the ends.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5842286 - 07/10/06 02:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

inspiring. [directed to Markos]

do you advocate psychedelic use in this process of awakening?

i set myself to meditate a long time today but got a call to go work. about 1 hour and 20 minutes of it with scattered walking/tai chi breaks.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5842415 - 07/10/06 03:16 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:

Ah the Big Sleep. Unconsciousness and blackness. :shocked: I have always thought that if this was the case, it is better to have never even existed if that is all that happens after a strange experience of sustained consciousness. The very core of reality couldn't be that cruel. Everything is misty and liquidy in the metaphysical world, but it ain't water, but the purest of pure notions in flat out fullness. Sometimes it's even obvious. Lets say the Universe is indeed expanded, and as humans we manage to travel to the border of material existence. The idea that there is complete nothingness beyond the borders of existence is absurd to me. The Clear Light is like a twister that takes in the sparks at death. Within seconds it's gone deep within pure reality and light, never to be retrieved by seperation again. A materialist tends to grow roots into the world. When the Light comes whirling by he remains unmoved. But for the awake dying is merely like getting a dry towel wet.

Excellent post, Mark


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Basilides]
    #5842575 - 07/10/06 04:00 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the 'juicy' reply!


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: leery11]
    #5842578 - 07/10/06 04:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I took "the Red Pill" long ago  :wink:


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5842722 - 07/10/06 04:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

every time I have faced the possibility of death (and yes, there have been several times), a crazy calm has come over me, along with this overwhelming realization that everything was going to be alright; death is no big deal.

though I am thankful to be alive, I do not fear death, in fact in many ways I look forward to it.

I would like to live a long full life, but in the back of my mind I realize that true freedom only comes after death.

I know in my heart that this reality around me is a prison. In death, I will shed the density of my third dimensional body and ascend into a higher frequency of the Reality.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5842756 - 07/10/06 04:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Does the Ultimate Condition include individuals at all? That's the question that seems the most woefully unanswerable to me. If the answer is yes, then death becomes a most important event. If the answer is no, what are you preparing for?

Do you remain on the other side of the veil? If the Clear Light is unity and dissolver of boundaries and duality, then what place does the individual soul have in this? My sense is that on the other side, the individual ceases to be distinct in the way that we experience life embodied now. I was born into a fairly radical, quasi-occult doomsday cult that taught reincarnation as a function of karma, a necessity to allow the adequate span of time and cycles so that karma could be transmuted and one could eventually ascend or be cast into the "second death". But this notion of karma and reincarnation seems to me to be an ego construct, a way of rationalizing away the abyss, and a way of coming to terms with suffering and apparent inequity in the world.

I loved your description here:
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In other words, we go through life thinking we are 'individual' waves that come into and go out of being on 'The Other Shore.' Few of us Realize that ALL waves are one with the Ocean - that we are in Truth, the entire Ocean of Existence. It is our illusory/delusory attachment to this form and that form that constitutes the dream. God sees through the eyes of ALL beings and our job is to Realize that Consciousness is God experiencing creation through all of Conscious existence.

Thus, in the end, there is neither reincarnation or rebirth, neither is there transmigration or metempsychosis. Call these what you will, they cease to have meaning when one Realizes we are the Ocean itself, not an individual wave.





This expresses my sentiment very eloquently. But how do you reconcile these words with the concerns pertaining death and rebirth you express in this thread? What is the purpose of realizing that all waves are one with the Ocean if you still ground your intention in this life in the construct of death and rebirth?


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5842767 - 07/10/06 04:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Wow that's neat, actually today I thought about it while I was lying in bed, I was thinking that some sort of meteor were going to hit the earth and it is my final day to be on the earth, the end of all life on this planet as we know it.

Then I started to think how I could die any given day now, from a car accident, someone murdering me, so on and so forth.

It was kinda frightening so I had to get up and keep myself occupied before I am overcome by the thoughts of death.

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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Viveka]
    #5843639 - 07/10/06 08:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Good question. I often vacillate between my highest intuition of Ultimate Reality, and a level that is more immersed in the Existential rather than the Ontological. When this happens, I then post (I usually just repond to others' questions). So here is a moment of weakness. I'd rather show the vacillation and conflict of concerns, than to appear consistently confident, giving the false impression of being more consistently Self-Realized  :wink: than I actually am. So, pardon the inconsistency but try to see it in light of an honest expression of my as-yet-untransformed nature.

In other words, I am capable of expressing very high perspectives, but I am incapable of remaining in those perspectives continuously! More like Nirvikalpa Samadhi than Sahaj Samadhi, by way of parallel.

Thank you for asking the question! It is a good question, it was obvious to you, and I'm glad it was addressed!

Individuality is unfortunately unable to be discerned from pure Identity. We can't help but associate our 'sense' of pure Identity with all the psychophysical aspects of ourselves, and having the notion of individuality as uniqueness instead of having the notion of individuality as our 'individual' experiences of the ONE 'I AM.'

Similarly with love. We may believe that we love a dozen or so people out of billions, but since everyone who is capable of loving has this experience, it may well be that certain 'individuals' serve as particular 'keys' that open us to a place within us that is a 'realm' of love. If that is the case, then the 'specialness' of certain people in this life must be seen as relative to our temporal conditions, while simultaneously recognizing the impersonal (or better yet) transpersonal nature of "love as a state of being" (an idea from The Only Dance There Is by Ram Dass). When we at last enter into love (heaven, God) then we will cease to associate the personal 'keys'to the 'lock' on the 'door' to our Heart, because the 'door' has finally opened and we can enter in fully. Our 'loved ones' will have been 'the Infinite in the finite' for us in life, but on death, our finitude will enter into the Infinite. I suspect that it has been the Infinite all along that has imparted specialness, uniqueness, individuality, love and identity to us in the first place.

Peace and Love to you!  :wink:  :heart:


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5843698 - 07/10/06 08:29 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, where did you guys come from?

Nothing you said makes any sense... What are you talking about?


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5843832 - 07/10/06 09:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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A woman at the table said she loved her job, her husband, and her child, but still she felt a lack - it was that she had no spiritual life. How could she achieve a spiritual life? Answering this woman, Carlos didn't change the lightness or generosity of his manner; yet a steely thing came into his voice, a tone that made his words pierce all of us. He said that when she got home at night she should sit in her chair and remember that her child, her husband, everyone she loved, and she herself, were going to die - and they would die in no particular order, unpredictably. "Remember this every night, and you'll soon have a spiritual life." He didn't tell her what sort of spiritual life to have, much less whether it should agree with his. He didn't suggest she read his books more carefully, or attend the movement classes he'd begun to teach. He gave her a practical instruction, something she could accomplish within the parameters of her life as it was, and then assured her that this would set her on her own spiritual path, whatever that might turn out to be. This is the mark of a true Teacher. Later in the conversation this woman asked how she could discipline herself to follow his advice, deeply follow it, so that it wouldn't be just an exercise. Carlos said: "You give yourself a command." On the page there's no duplicating how he said it. He spoke quietly, but it was as though he'd suddenly jammed a knife into the tabletop. "What's that mean?" one of us asked. "It means you give yourself a command." And that was that. "A command is not a promise. A command is not "trying." A command is something that must be obeyed".


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5843864 - 07/10/06 09:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

But who do you give this command to? And who gives it?

Who is in control!


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5844453 - 07/10/06 11:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Twice, after recklessly high doses of tranquilizers combined with marijuana, I seriously thought I was about to die. There was no doubt in my mind that quite soon, my breathing was going to stop entirely. I was surprisingly accepting of this fact. The idea of death, at the time, didn't seem frightening at all. Unfortunately, all the drugs really skewed my perception of these two NDEs. Whether I would've experienced the same emotional state during a sober NDE, I cannot say.

Fear of death made sense to me when I was a Christian. (A period of my life I like to refer to as "The Dark Ages.") Since, as a naughty naturally-born-to-sin being, I was constantly afraid of not meeting God's quota. Hell didn't sound like much fun. But, as a materialist, I now have a hard time understanding how nihilation of the self could be scary. At first, soon after switching perspectives, "Oh noes! I'm not going to exist anymore!" was a troubling thought. Luckily, eventually, this thought vanished along with my addiction to the self. Nothing else is permanent, why should I expect myself to be?

I see myself as a unique and temporary phenomena. Although I may prefer to live for a thousand years, I have no aspirations for immortality. Being able to briefly participate in existence seems fulfilling enough for me.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5844540 - 07/10/06 11:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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MushmanTheManic said:
Nothing else is permanent, why should I expect myself to be?

I see myself as a unique and temporary phenomena. Although I may prefer to live for a thousand years, I have no aspirations for immortality. Being able to briefly participate in existence seems fulfilling enough for me.




The thing is, the personal, individual self is impermanent, but what you really are is timeless. In the same way that as a boy wants only candy, a man wants only money, and an old man is disinterested in both, you are impermanent. Desires are as fickle as the wind, and once desire is fulfilled, it only paves the way for more wants and desires. Believing that you are this collection of habits and desires is bondage. This is the ever changing, the ever fickle, the ever ignorant "self".

Your body serves only the purpose of showing you your true self, which has always been and will never cease to be. The radiant nothing, mere naked awareness. The actual you is infinite and undying. Will a personal sense of self remain after death? I have no idea, and I don't really care either. It is nice that just existing is enough for you. Really all that matters is awareness. Awareness is aware, good enough. If awareness makes a body for itself to realize itself then that's fine, and if the body is unmade then that's fine too. The point is that you are not a body, you are not a collection of thoughts. A body is just there, a thought is just there like the sky and clouds are just there. You are the silence disinterestedly observing. And that never goes away, whether personal or not.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Schwammel]
    #5844729 - 07/11/06 12:16 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Schwammel said:
But who do you give this command to?  And who gives it?

Who is in control!




For the answer to these questions, read the post you replied to.

By knowing you're going to die, you gain an advisor, which is Death. Death, in turn, gives you freedom and a sense of urgency. You no longer think that you have all the time in the world to put off everything for later. You lose such futile concepts such as "self-esteem", cause man, if you're gonna die, who cares what people think of you!  :grin:

Humans work on frequencies. Death is the final resonation.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5845017 - 07/11/06 01:10 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Why should I practice dying? When the time comes, I am sure that I will be quite capable of dying with no practice whatsoever. The practice of living provides more satisfaction. If I have a legacy, it will be in how I lived all the moments of my life, more than the single moment of my death.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5845077 - 07/11/06 01:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I thoroughly identify with that vascillation and it's inevitable as we modulate between mind and mindfulness. If I lived in a temple all my life, it would be relatively simple to refrain from experiencing the world as existentially as I typically do as I'm living the worldly flesh machine routine. Tricky thing is, existence is all we have to catalyze our awareness. Ontological notions of the assimilation of self into Source don't really address the moment, so they seem to continually fall away from my path of aspiring to Self-realization.

In a darker period of my life, I made a huge mistake when the realization of death, assimilation of self, (brought on largely by psychadelics)became a path of annihilation, one I thought I would walk to the end. But upon realizing the irony that this existential path wasn't serving me existentially I now seek footing elsewhere. One thing I learned on that path was not to model the infinite on the finite. The confounding of our minds when we attempt to do so is a continual reminder that you can't rationalize your way to infinity. No map leads to the heart.

Silence is the most ready guide, but at times like this, silence is forsaken so that we can reach out to others, press our hearts together and compare experience.

I often feel that the highest grace is our complete inability to fully wrap our minds around the difference (or is it sameness?) between the physicaly embodied self and the Eternal One. Not grace in the sense of a favor or reprieve, but utter beauty, perfection, proportion. The measure is perfect because we already are infinite, we just can't see it from this perspective, and do we really need to? As words spill out further, pure awareness is progressively obscured.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5845706 - 07/11/06 05:04 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

But, as a materialist, I now have a hard time understanding how nihilation of the self could be scary.

Now, personally, I don't see voidness, non-being and nothingness as the entire metaphysical background of our expanding universe. A slightly weighted balloon will become perfectly suspended if submerged in water, while in thin air it will collapse. Unconsiousness/sleep as some people see as a backdrop of their being (before birth and after death) seems to me to be a confusion between conscious states. While there's certainly no scientific proof of post-mortem consciousness, there is also no definitive proof in the notion that consciousness permantently ceases at the dissolution of the physical body. I think people associate unconsciousness as the primacy of their being because unconsciouness is somewhat familiar to everyone (in sleep) despite that sleep itself is merely an altered state of consciousness. Most who I have talked to (materialist mind sets who contended the reality of nothingness) wrongly associated the idea of post-mortem unconsciousness with the state of sleeping, in further conflation with ideas of medical unconsciousness (which are not post-mortem).


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Basilides]
    #5845796 - 07/11/06 05:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I get the impression that people like to control the ideas in their heads too much
it is like sticking one's head in a bucket.
unique clues are all around and within all the time
dance.
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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5845801 - 07/11/06 06:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Nice post Markos, my bday is this week too.

I think that learning to have lucid dreams is the key to surviving death.
As J.A. West puts it; "Learn to maintain a certain continuity of consciousness."

Maybe the Ba (heart) weighed against the feather represents self-awareness, more than thoughts or deeds.

I think that magnetic locality influences the process of dying as well as dreaming,
as most of the ancient fractal star map sites are known to be places of birthing and death.

I am still trying to understand the connection between DNA, the Soul, and Stars...


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5845867 - 07/11/06 07:05 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Has anyone ever done what Ram Dass suggested one do (psychedelics implied) - lying down and pretending that this is your time to die.




A couple days after reading The Psychedelic Experience a few times through during my sophomore year in college I did exactly that, and though it wasn't my Big Trip (it followed the next week), I feel strongly this experiment was the precursor. I dosed 4 hits of blotter, locked my door, unplugged my phone, turned off the light, got in bed, and closed my eyes. Upon closing my eyes I sort of idled out with a belief that I was waiting for a cue to instruct me further and was swept away with introspection for some many moments before it dawned on me that I had an experiment sitting on the back burner! I fell into this pattern more than a handful of times, though through the repition there was less latency in recognizing the pattern and resistance in releasing it. I realized the notion that I was waiting for cues amounted to not paying attention. I began to become aware of the matrix of interdependent sensory organs that my awareness moved through as they began to get a word in edge wise as the gravitational field of awareness was no longer fixated in my head/thoughts anymore. Some of sensations were pleasurable and some were fatigued and sore, and my awareness traveled through these body locations one at a time and its presence allowed them to become limp and heavy and relaxed like you hear in reference to hypnosis. I remember feeling my breath become slower and lighter and my heart rate slowing down a sense of bliss was circulating through my body that kept soaring off charts with intensity, and we're talking raw data downloads of bliss so previously inconceivable that a line had been blurred between fantasy and reality, simulating leaving the body and really leaving the body for good. I wasn't frightened, but that capped my ascention for the evening. It opened my eyes in another half hour feeling as if though my body had gotten the most restful sleep in its life and my mind felt so awake and rejuvinated. I remember taking a walk outside my friend Jeff who had been trying to get me to take interest into Eastern mysticism for months cried out to me "BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!" and a sense of eerie wonder creeped over me and replied "Wha?!?!?!?" and he laughed and said he just hadn't seen me for a couple weeks was all.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Middleman]
    #5845873 - 07/11/06 07:15 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Nice post Markos, my bday is this week too.




Hmmm, what? Was it literally your B-day Mr. Markos?


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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Viveka]
    #5846263 - 07/11/06 11:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Reading your response, I see much in agreement between us, but I also perceive a departure. We are living in a temple, and it is our body. The finite is an "image and likeness" of God in Biblical writ, and of 'Cosmic Man [generic]' called Adam Kadmon in Kabbalism. In the Kargyutpa school of Vajrayana Buddhism, the building called a 'stupa' is a representation of the five chakras (Buddhism combines upper two and lower two) and the three realms of Earth, Man and Heaven. The chakras or psychic centers are points in form wherein 'psychocosmic' forces interface with the psychospiritual human being. So form me, entering into form opens up into the Formless if one enters in at a portal.

You are quite right about silence with regard to the Experiences. Words are not capable vehicles except in the sense of 'seed syllables' - mantric sounds that may symbolize or even reproduce the 'sound' quality of certain states of being (as Terrence McKenna was discovering in the jungle on DMT substances). Christian hymns may convey more with the 'AH' sound in a long 'Amen' than in the verbal content of the entire hymn. Gregorian chants may convey the same sound qualities that Vajrayana mantras do, but the abstract sound quality belongs to actual Latin words. Like my earlier assertion of finding it impossible to experience pure Identity (Ontos, Being) without associations to real attributes, a hymn or a Gregorian chant may embody abstract 'seed syllables' in the 'form' of actual words. Christianity of course so merges the abstract Christ with the concrete form of Jesus, that one must learn to discern the 'spirit from the soul' in these matters. We can be "in Christ," but we cannot be 'in Jesus.'

I am not sure what you meant by not modelling the Infinite on the finite, but the interface is constant. Personally, I believe that God (Pure Being) creates, sustains and destroys creation continually (as the Hindus represent in their trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva). Kabbalistically, our bodies and senses draw existence from the Kabbalistic sphere of Malkuth [Kingdom], our 'soul' telescopes up drawing from three further spheres, and our 'spirit' emerges from three higher yet. Above our 'spirit' is Divinity in three uppermost spheres on the glyph of the Tree of Life, and above that, the Godhead.

The point here is that the Formless creates/emanates form. Ontos begets Existence, and we are beings created at the interface of Heaven and Earth, so-to-speak. Aldous Huxley said our mind [i.e., soul] was "amphibious," and can choose to identify with the physical realm or the spiritual realm. However, we must come to terms with both realms, and learn to slide the emphasis closer to the spiritual as we approach 'discorporation.' Not knowing when that moment will come, we must exercise our ability to Identify with the Highest at any given moment if we remain in the world. Sitting in an outer temple or monastery, one tries to remain out of the body constantly, but to be in the world and in the body, it seems that we need to "Be Prepared" as the Boy Scout motto says.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5846424 - 07/11/06 12:55 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Twice, after recklessly high doses of tranquilizers combined with marijuana, I seriously thought I was about to die. There was no doubt in my mind that quite soon, my breathing was going to stop entirely. I was surprisingly accepting of this fact. The idea of death, at the time, didn't seem frightening at all. Unfortunately, all the drugs really skewed my perception of these two NDEs. Whether I would've experienced the same emotional state during a sober NDE, I cannot say.

Fear of death made sense to me when I was a Christian. (A period of my life I like to refer to as "The Dark Ages.") Since, as a naughty naturally-born-to-sin being, I was constantly afraid of not meeting God's quota. Hell didn't sound like much fun. But, as a materialist, I now have a hard time understanding how nihilation of the self could be scary. At first, soon after switching perspectives, "Oh noes! I'm not going to exist anymore!" was a troubling thought. Luckily, eventually, this thought vanished along with my addiction to the self. Nothing else is permanent, why should I expect myself to be?

I see myself as a unique and temporary phenomena. Although I may prefer to live for a thousand years, I have no aspirations for immortality. Being able to briefly participate in existence seems fulfilling enough for me.




YOU were born.

People sometimes ignore this part of life when they factor in death.

They think "oh you die".

Yes, you die. You are also born. The ego doesn't sustain consciousness along for the rides.... so in essence you are right, you won't be here anymore. But there will always be a you that exists in some fundamental way, with differing levels of consciousness, always something that is passed on. This is because consciousness always exists, somewhere, in some time, in some conceivable dimension, because it exists right now.

Look at delta sleep. Delta sleep is very close, brainwave wise, to death... and yet our consciousness persists upon staying integrated so much so that we go into a dreamstate until we wake up again.

The dreamstate is a clear indication that after the initial sleep of death, whatever you have colored all over yourself will randomly piece itself back together into something new. You will wake up eventually.

To me anyway.

The fact that you can be born implies that you can be again.
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Nice post Markos, my bday is this week too.

I think that learning to have lucid dreams is the key to surviving death.
As J.A. West puts it; "Learn to maintain a certain continuity of consciousness."

Maybe the Ba (heart) weighed against the feather represents self-awareness, more than thoughts or deeds.

I think that magnetic locality influences the process of dying as well as dreaming,
as most of the ancient fractal star map sites are known to be places of birthing and death.

I am still trying to understand the connection between DNA, the Soul, and Stars...



mmmm i think conscious deep sleep is the ultimate liberation, lucid dreams a way of perhaps circumventing rebirth, but conscious deep sleep being complete mastery of continual awareness, even where there is no longer self.

from a lucid dream you would have to back-pedal, if you were dead, into the voidness of being if you didn't want to reincarnate... plop down and meditate away........ which is advised in the psychedelic experience/tibetan book of the dead on if you should find yourself in the lower bardos.
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"BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!" and a sense of eerie wonder creeped over me and replied "Wha?!?!?!?" and he laughed and said he just hadn't seen me for a couple weeks was all.



lol.

synchrony is amazing like that!


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5846576 - 07/11/06 01:35 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think I should place my statement about modelling infinite on finite in a bit more of a context. One of the things that intrigues me the most about my perception is how certain proportions are found everywhere and repeat at different scales within an organism. Have you ever seen a picture of some part of a human body and thought you were seeing something else, for instance seeing a crease of the hand and thought you were seeing part of the abdomen, or shoulder instead of thigh? Or a dog lying in a certain position but you thought you were looking at a completely different side of it, until your perception is adjusted enough so you recognize the blunder? I don't trust my perception enough to know if this phenomenon is a residual effect of past flawed perception, or if it is purely an observation of golden mean expressed throughout the organism, probably a bit of both.

But then of course there are the observable similarities between the way mountains form and the way trees grow. And the same patterns that govern how those trees roots descend into the earth can be observed in how stars are scattered through space. Surely this is all constant evidence that all things are somehow alike, the same, at least in the observable universe. Again, another disconnect occurs in my mind because I am not certain that because something is expressed in the observable Universe, that it is an expression of infinity. Perhaps the only reason that something has descended to the level of physical phenomenon is because it is somehow out of step with infinity. Or perhaps my idea that that could be so is a result of my awareness being tainted by noise and intellectual reaction, betrayal of silence.

I guess the real sentiment behind my statement that the infinite should not be modelled on the finite is the realization that the map is not the territory. No matter how many ways we can observe that "as above, so below", these are still just maps and models for something that is infinitely unmappable, and unknowable from our current perspective. And, as much as I seem to condemn maps here, I am very intrigued by Kabbalism and Tree of Life symbology. For several years now I have desired to have a tangible understanding of this system, but have not taken it upon myself to study it, perhaps to avoid confounding my mind even further.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Viveka]
    #5847016 - 07/11/06 03:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



If you decide to read a book on Kabbalism, let me recommend this one for under $5. I have between 40 and 50 books on the subject and this little book is the most clear and even illustrates the most accurate parallel with the Hindu Yogic centers. Certain central themes are explained including the piercing of the Veil of Paroketh, which means realizing one's essential nature as being spirit as opposed to the natural identity of being an embodied personality that has a spirit. It is moving from the 'Astral Triangle' to the 'Ethical Triangle.' Associated with this movement is the Sacred Marriage of Sun and Moon - Tiphereth and Yesod - which (like Hatha Yoga, Ha=Sun, tha=moon) effects an inner Union as well as an outer Union between couples.

You may appreciate the levels of mathematical subtlety more than I have the capacity to. The 10 spheres emanate and separate from Absolute Being and its integrated opposite Absolute Nothing (like spots of an Unknown Substance separating out on a strip of column chromatography paper Perhaps you'll appreciate the chemical metaphor as well  :wink:).


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5847678 - 07/11/06 06:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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I get the impression that people like to control the ideas in their heads too much
it is like sticking one's head in a bucket.
unique clues are all around and within all the time
dance.
live.
take heads out of the death bucket.




I agree 100% with you on this one red.  :thumbup:


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    #5847872 - 07/11/06 07:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Someone once asked a Zen master, "What happens when you die?"
The Zen master responded, "I don't know."
The person then replied, "You don't know? But, aren't you a Zen master?"
He replied, "Yes, but I'm not a dead Zen master!"


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5848170 - 07/11/06 08:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Now that's hardcore zen!

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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5850119 - 07/12/06 10:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I don't really know what "happens" after death.. but alot of people in this world seem pretty sure, whether religious fundamentalists who without a doubt expect somekind of earthly paradise or pearly white gates, or materialists who without a doubt expect non-being. As Markos said, we are compelled to accept pure ideas that are more allegorical than reality (such as visions of sex at death). Various mythologies also highlight the experience of death as a re-establishment of identity (following the death of the original personality) into the fullness of ultimate reality. I don't expect my personality to be dragged into eternity, as I don't believe individualism can exist in the Holy of Holies. The most humble of expectations have come from mystics, whether Rumi (who contended that "there is no salvation except to fall in love) or Boehme (the increased glory that is man becoming love through his personality). What does it feel like to be formless? I don't know entirely, but discorporated mystical experiences give me a very vivid glimpse of what Holy Simplicity is like, with the finality of it to reappear completely frozen and suspended in the Holy Reality, while the body-mind-personality is eaten by larvae worms..

The Zen master's body hasn't died yet, but I doubt he's going down with his ship (body/temple).


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5850191 - 07/12/06 11:06 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I think there is a strong link between death and the psychedelic experience. I've contemplated my own death many times. But it's not so much the experience of death that I fear. Rather, I fear dying before I have the chance to fulfill my purpose here on Earth.


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    #5850511 - 07/12/06 01:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Cool!


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    #5850525 - 07/12/06 01:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Rather, I fear dying before I have the chance to fulfill my purpose here on Earth.




Each moment is the fufillment of purpose. You cannot fufill "more" purpose. You can, however, bring more awareness into one's purpose. :grin:

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    #5850536 - 07/12/06 01:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Do you have something in mind that you believe to be central to your purpose in this life? That I am a being who asks the question about purpose makes me a philosopher (Freud would say a neurotic), and that has come to be about as purposeful as I can come up with. I mean, I suppose that identifying oneself as a philosopher (schooled or unschooled) means that one is an 'example' of a 'deeper' (less shallow-minded) human being - one who can [bracket] one's sensory experiences of life as but one (howsoever predominant) mode of knowing.


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    #5850577 - 07/12/06 01:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Do you have something in mind that you believe to be central to your purpose in this life?



When I had that acid trip where I saw Jesus and was filled with the Holy Spirit, I asked Christ to let me be the vehicle through which he could end world poverty. I feel that I have a covenant, and I fear dying before I can at least make some of the necessary steps to fulfill it.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5850613 - 07/12/06 02:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

OK. That's a pretty tall order. Perhaps gaining entrance into, and rising in the Bill Gates Foundation for example, linking wealthy philanthropists together? Just a thought. Jesus said: "For ye have the poor with you always..." (Mark 14:7) which may be a statement of the human condition for all time. It's a relative statement of course - Hugh Hefner might be considered to be poor relative to Bill Gates, and I have found people living hand-to-mouth who didn't realize they were dirt poor.

Perhaps you should teach the world how to end starvation instead. Food is more immediate than money. Sometimes the spiritual impulse is strong and the interpretation needs to be tweaked, but it was your Experience. People generally know what to do with food but the same thing cannot be said for money. Many if not most people become completely stupid when given money.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5850651 - 07/12/06 02:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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dying before I have the chance to fulfill my purpose here on Earth.



if every internet user in north america gave a meager $40 a YEAR starvation would be eliminated, perhaps you could work on telling people that?


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    #5850668 - 07/12/06 02:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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dying before I have the chance to fulfill my purpose here on Earth.



if every internet user in north america gave a meager $40 a YEAR starvation would be eliminated, perhaps you could work on telling people that?



No, it's not about charity. It's about changing the way our society is structured. I already have it mostly figured out as far as how it can be done. The problem is going to be getting my message heard by the right people.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5851110 - 07/12/06 04:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

exactly

you could have all the right answers, and no one would ever listen to you.


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    #5851422 - 07/12/06 06:51 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

oh yeah, and world poverty isn't going to end until the wealthy of the world learn a big lesson in humility and giving back to those less fortunate. Its an attitude problem. As soon as more charitable attitudes prevail in the population as a whole, there won't be any more poverty.

Its not so much lack of plan that plagues us, but lack of will.


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    #5851567 - 07/12/06 07:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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oh yeah, and world poverty isn't going to end until the wealthy of the world learn a big lesson in humility and giving back to those less fortunate. Its an attitude problem. As soon as more charitable attitudes prevail in the population as a whole, there won't be any more poverty.



Actually, as I said before, it's not about charitable donations, but rather a simple manner of reform in the system, which in the process of curing poverty would also help the environment. The problem is not that the population as a whole is acting in their personal self-interest, but rather that the very rich have deceived the rest of the population as to what is in their self-interest.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5851643 - 07/12/06 08:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, but you can't use the law to nag. those rich people have to find the truth within, not have it forced on them. The only reason they are deceptive is because they have been decieved.

like i said, its an attitude problem. Those who have been blessed with material success have to realize that along with that wealth and power comes a responsibility to help the less fortunate. No system can enforce good behavior on these people. They have to wake up and realize that there is more to life than the gratification of the self.

It doesn't matter what changes you make in the system as lobng as people are selfish at heart. No revolution will solve the world's problems but a revolution in consciousness.


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    #5851673 - 07/12/06 08:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I'm afraid I have to disagree. You're talking about an individual change of heart, but poverty is caused not by a lack of compassion, but by a flaw within the system


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Silversoul]
    #5851727 - 07/12/06 08:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well, even if we managed to appropriate the resources of the wealthy and give them to say, Africa, who's to say that the africans would use them properly (ie- for hospitals and schools) and not just use the money to buy weapons?

Charity can easily be misappropriated. Which is why its not only our hearts and minds, but theirs as well, that need a change.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5851777 - 07/12/06 08:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Charity can easily be misappropriated. Which is why its not only our hearts and minds, but theirs as well, that need a change. """

I used to give to the united way until their ceo started flying around the world in 1st class seats.

giving has to be from the heart...I am taking a 5 year old black boy and his father to flathead lake for a month. next time you see somebody that needs a helping hand, and most won't even ask, just do it. most of the time, but not all of the time, you won't be wrong.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Schwammel]
    #5851781 - 07/12/06 08:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

for real.  and its not all about money either.  Its about the elbow grease that you put in to help the lady who broke down on the side of the road, ya know?  :wink:


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #5852360 - 07/12/06 10:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, literal birthday, which I mentioned in passing, yet it did elicit a belated birthday phone call from a Shroomerite whom I literally, (as opposed to virtually) know. I no longer remind people around me as I no longer wish to be 'netted' with the emotional-temporal associations. I neither want, or expect cards, cakes or gifts. I'll not plan a Deathday party either (usually called a funeral). The event will go unannounced. I may have my corpse delivered to the Dept. of Cellular Biology, University of Miami (if I live here at time of my death), to complete my one time plan of attending medical school. I will, however, be attending as a cadaver  :wink:


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5852365 - 07/12/06 10:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

the bitch that you helped on the side of the road doesn't need your charity


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5852583 - 07/12/06 11:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the recommendation, Markos.  I'll definately pick it up :thumbup:


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: Schwammel]
    #5852770 - 07/13/06 12:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Schwammel said:
the bitch that you helped on the side of the road doesn't need your charity




yeah, well, it all winds up in the same place anyway :wink:

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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5853321 - 07/13/06 01:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I have similar views. I'm donating my organs. I definately don't want a funeral viewing (to my understanding embalming isn't exactly nature friendly). I don't want a casket, they're just too expensive and I'd rather see the most made of what assets I have set up into a scholarship fund or charity. However, I think a funeral or a party is for the living, not for me. I certainly wouldn't oblige those who love me to have one (is that what you're saying?), but wouldn't deny them of it either. Cremation seems the most likely way for me to go, as I'd want to be burried in the most environmentally friendly way, not embalmed/wrapped in a shroud/ no specified grave marker, and in a place that will eventually mature into a haven for wild life. I've heard of such places, are they sanctioned by law? I wouldn't mind being a part of something that somewhat guaruntees a place for wildlife that won't be trampled over for the development of another Walmart.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #5853373 - 07/13/06 02:13 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

my mother wanted her ashes thrown in the potomac river...its against the law. instaed she's in arlington cemetary. she probably wasn't thinking that 1000 people would show up and the ladybird johnson access couldn't handle the overflow parking... so some of her is there and some in the river and some on the golf course. but it is against the law...

go figure, you can't hold a funeral on the golden state bridge


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Re: Enlightenment, Self-Realization, Gnosis, Liberation...Who Cares?! [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5853511 - 07/13/06 02:55 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Sexual visions at the time of death along with arousal are supposed to draw one right back into a new womb. I do not choose to believe this, but I seem to be "compelled" (as my Lady Rose put it) to believe this, based upon the powerful polymorphous sexuality that accompanied the death-defying crushing suffocation of the birth experience




At least you weren't born a baby seal in Anartica, now that would be a shock! Polymorphous sexuality during the birthing experience? Hmmmm, I guess Freud says it's all Oral for the first 18mo. Blech... My mother had such crazy OCD when I grew up she probably sprayed her ***** with Lysol. LOL, No wonder I'm gay, I'm probably allergic! I think I've just lived vicariously enough through your Big Trip, I'll do without my own.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.


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