Lightningfractal said:

wrestler_az said:

Lightningfractal said:

This is our lives.

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wow....that sux.

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Yes. but such is the way of the internet.

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geokills has banned the user Swami
From: geokills

User Swami has been banned.

Reason: You have exhibited complete disregard for formal policy by creating a puppet account (Gustavius) while your main account was locked. Further, you used this puppet to instigate and fuel dissention against your original ban, in very like fashion to the behavior which was the original cause for your initial ban. You may contact me, geokills (my username @ shroomery.org) to discuss this matter further if you so desire. If you continue to take measures to evade your ban, you will be permanently banned in the future. If you cross-post your dissent in multiple forums with respect to our decisions, you will be banned again. You are free to voice your opinions when confined to a single thread dedicated to the topic. You are not free to instigate disruption site-wide or in multiple forums. Do not make a public spectacle out of your own perceptions. I hope that upon your next return, you will be able to respect these common sense policies.

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Lightningfractal.. Satisfy my curiosity, where did you get this?


EllemyshShade.. Us mods are just like humans
There indeed is some combative attitude going on, but it goes both ways and if you look at all those threads moderators are being attacked by a mob.

Our loyalty lies with the Shroomery. Not one person, but the community itself. I myself offered $$$ if the shroomery needed a hardware update but that was all taken care of, the Shroomery's finance is good, we can even put Shroomery Radio on the air!
If a person, a member, mob, mod OR admin poses a threat to the Shroomery it cuts me personally very deep.
If the admins in my view were detrimental to the community I'd be willing to get demodded or step down from moderatorship myself.
Call it corny but I consider the Shroomery to be a Cause.
It is not "just a website", at least not to me. It's a psychedelic community that saves lives and spreads joy.
But there are darker sides.

If somebody destabilizes the whole he or she in my view should be corrected for the greater good. If the detrimental behavior ceases, I'm at peace with that person even if characters clash.
But the destabilizing effect of the SWAMA we see lately is very obvious.

I've been harsh in my wordings and I'll try to tone that down from now on. I never wanted to suggest that everybody following this thread has little care for the Tsunami tragedy. Some likely do. This single Swami thread has had double the views then the Tsunami thread had and that pissed me off as a human being.
I slipped it in like I plug the Tsunami action throughout my posting. I have no doubt several people care very much and others care far less about the Asia/Africa tragedy.

"Thinking for yourself" I intended to do away with the mob mentality of Us vs Them. Perhaps I pushed too hard. If it cane across like that again I sincerely apologize to all who feel that way.


Nontheless I posted the evidence and case as I see it some posts back and nobody has yet effectively disproven that.
Most say Swami bears no malice, yet none succesfully disproved my points nor dealt with it properly.
There has been a roar for Answers! Answers! Answers!
Well I gave those answers but nobody delves into that.
Is all this anger just a game?

LiquidSmoke said:

You know, from a neutral's standpoint, it's easy to see just how set both sides are.



Because neither side is willing to admit any faulties, even though both sides are glaringly responsible. 

Mods, you guys fucked up.  Users, you guys also fucked up and don't know half of what you're talking about.


Just don't let mods be able to ban and everything will be as it once was.

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I don't even like banning people, and as a result, I never have.  I think his initial threads when coming back should have been locked or moved to WAF. 

and again, swami isn't innocent either.  i expressed my concern for his initial banning, I thought it was only 24 hours, but then it was 15 days. 

its the faults of both sides, and you're right no one will admit to being manipulative, just like no one will admit that they are/were being hasty.

Dreamer987 said:

"If somebody destabilizes the whole he or she in my view should be corrected for the greater good. If the detrimental behavior ceases, I'm at peace with that person even if characters clash.
But the destabilizing effect of the SWAMA we see lately is very obvious."

Sounds more and more like his Randal P. McMurphy avatar is accurate. not to be overly dramatic, but it's the only way to get a point across in this drama fest.
The simple fact of the matter is, the first, and second bans were absolute Bullshit. The length of time was overly hostile, and aggressive. There was a clear abuse of power involved. The people in power really had it out for Swami and he got shafted.
So he may be manipulative, and he may be a bit of an asshole. So what? He made more high quality posts than ANYBODY in S&P, and i think they're some jealousy on the part of some of the mods.
but the reason that the mods feel they are being "ganged up on" is that, the public see's that an injustice has been done to one of its own, and we don't want to be next.

And, i know were all just human, and you mods, and admins are doing a job that your not even getting paid for, but you fucked up, or your brethren fucked up, and nobody has apologized for it yet. An apology, and a pardon of Swami, would be appropriate in this situation.
After all, was his silly little puppet really hurting anyone?

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when you talk about the intent of a person in teaching an learning, especially on the internet, being an asshole and being manipulative does have its advantages, but it deals with a respect issue.

i have posted this now three times and no on still will answer me 

what or who wasthis thread in refernece to?  and it is in refernce to someone

telling someone they aren't worth debating with is a lack of respect, even if you are 200% correct...still disrespect.  he has harped on many people no to attack the poster but attack the view, but then he goes around and does the opposite (as in telling someone they aren't worth debating).  he could have ignored the person and not said a thing (as he often does when there are great points thrown his way).

I understand you concern and quite frankly, I am apalled at some of the comments on here from both sides.  what has this digressed to?

"The people in power really had it out for Swami and he got shafted."

here's what I don't understand...how is being a mod having power?  its just the internet..its not really power, it's a priviledge. 

swami did blow it with his puppet and so this next ban I back up 100%.

LF way back got banned and not many said a thing about it, but reading his posts now, they are clearer, more respectful, and dare I say funnier.  maybe swami should take a look.

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what or who wasthis thread in refernece to? and it is in refernce to someone

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here's what I don't understand...how is being a mod having power? its just the internet..its not really power, it's a priviledge.

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Sclorch said:

Note: I'm not here to argue with you mods (that's a lose/lose situation)... I just want to know the official reason for Swami's initial ban.

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Wiccan Seeker,... you have quite an imagination, I'll say that much. An author, eh? You must write fiction novels because you have come up with some of the most half-brained shit I have ever had the privilege to read. It seems hypocrisy knows no bounds with you. You repeatedly refer to the people who follow this incident as misguided, simple minded, sheep who are being 'led around by the nose' by that evil Shepherd whose only goal is to use them as pawns in his most clever scheme to overthrow the shroomery. You come off as pompous and arrogant. It seems old Mr. Webster has never introduced the word humility into your repertoire of witty banter.

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