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HUEHUECOYOTL said:
If you are implying that Swami is spreading truth (at least by his definition) then you are correct, but if you believe he is using some top secret (or occult) means to force us to see his view against our will then you are very paranoid.

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Oook, then let's do a little experiment in Psychological Warfare, and please take NO offence as it is all an experiment, NOT my opinion:
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Huehuecoyotl..
I am not belittling or denying your extensive experience with propaganda in the US Army nor the fact that you extensively studied logic and ethics in college but I agree when you say you are not exactly an expert in communications.

Seriously now, and i'll take you serious on this matter as it is after all one that transcends the usual level of debating we see here on the boards. There is a vast difference between the propaganda and psychowarfare you got to know as a grunt in the US Army and what goes on in the real world. In the real world, huehue, people tend to stray from the path of righteousness and justness as you obviously are very aware of.

You see, sometimes ordinary people just like you are rationally explaining something, as I hope you understand while they beside the logic are deliberately stabbing directly at the man behind the conversation. Surely you must see this, we're all rational people here after all.Some people put words between the words independent of their rational message, I can't understand why you won't come to terms with the reality of that.
We're only human, aren't we?


good, this was an oddly worded but perfectly rational post, wasn't it? After all I gave you a rational explanation of why I believe you are wrong. But there were curiously odd un-Wiccanstyle phrasings.. let me now mark some odd passages with smileys before I come to business

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Huehuecoyotl..
I am not belittling or denying your extensive experience with propaganda in the US Army (caught that one? ) nor the fact that you  extensively studied logic and ethics in college (equally subtle )
but I agree when you say you are not exactly an expert in communications (huh? )

Seriously now, and i'll take you serious on this matter as it is after all one that transcends the usual level of debating we see here on the boards(). There is a vast difference between the propaganda and psychowarfare you got to know as a grunt in the US Army () and what goes on in the real world. () In the real world, huehue( ) people tend to stray from the path of righteousness and justness as you obviously are very aware of. ()

You see, sometimes ordinary people just like you () are rationally explaining something, as I hope you understand () while they beside the logic are deliberately stabbing directly at the man behind the conversation. Surely you must see this, we're all rational people here after all.() Some people put words between the words independent of their rational message, I can't understand why you won't come to terms with the reality() of that.
We're only human, aren't we? ()

I just have argued that some people say more then they imply to say, didn't I?
Now let me translate the lines I specifically marked with those smileys for their emotional, not rational, message, and please don't take this personal as that text is only a blatant example and most certainly not my opinion of you. Let's read between the rational words from an emotional point of view:
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-you have been brainwashed by the military
-you had to go to college to learn about logic & ethics
-I agree you got no idea what you are talking about (selective quoting wins people over and have a laugh at your expense)
-We only take you seriously because you for once have a point worthy of consideration, we all see you as someone who lowers the standard of discussion on this board.
-You were subjected to propaganda and psychowarfare experiments when you were a mere rankless serviceman in the military
-because of this you are out of touch with the real world
-let me bring you in tune with reality
-you got a piece of iron a bit too close to your moral compass and you know it
-you aren't so irrational that you can't see this?
-you are impossible to reason with, don't you like reason?
-do you think you are better then us?


HUH?! An entire line of consistent unreasonable emotional ranting, which was NOT written but fully included in the true meaning of the rational post

And wouldn't you be banned for vicious flaming if you wrote this message in WORDS rather then innuendo?
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This, Huehuecoyotl, is psychological warfare, hacking into people's heads, that is part of the array of tricks Swami was banned for.
It is most certainly NOT my message or opinion of you but a blunt, inpersonal example of said psychowarfare
The rational post I made emotionally put a shotgun to your head and pulled the trigger. This was in no way subtle, I'm new to doing this but i damn well catch it if it is being used on people.

In my view Swami systematically selected people he disliked, homed in on their emotional weakspots and then began a systematic approach of perfectly benign rational posts loaded with this psychowarfare aimed at driving them off of Spir&Phil so it can become the SKEPTICS DEBUNKERS FORUM where people making the mistake of posting the beliefs they hold so precious and dear are ruthlessly assassinated by a mob of debunkers.

If the Administry had given some examples they would've been laughed at and called pussies. There is a lot of stuff we cannot show you because it falls under the privacy of duped members.

Suppose you are all discussing round the table and some newbie starts whining unfounded BS and leaves. Can happen, can't it?

But what if the Management has looked under the table and saw that during the rational conversation the most popular guy was constantly kicking the newbie's shinbone to shite?

And that the majority above the tabletop were not aware and sided with the popular guy, so the newbie in his view got confronted with an opposing and emotionally hostile mob. Because several people were pounding away rationally (which can be defendable) but at least one other dealt low blows and makes sure the emotional wound rots while the pounding goes on.

What if the management sees this going on time and time again? Warns but then it just happens again? Bans, and sees the ban violated by a list of completely unreasonable demands? Have this guy return bearing the title LOBOTOMIZED and use an illegal puppet to stir up the unrest?

If you wonder why on earth Swami would violate his ban AND use an illegal puppet instead of using his ban to think up a rational strategy and working it out with the Administry in PM as to ease the tension in the community...
Perhaps you got an incorrect image of Swami. Perhaps he isn't ALL about rationality.. Perhaps there *was* something to this banning after all, if he violates it several times and returns to fuel the riot.

All this is my personal opinion. In my view, if you were to read many of my and other Mods posts about the SWAMA, then you might see all sorts of variations on the theme i'm laying down in this thread.

This is all my personal take on things. I will not represent the Shroomery Administry on this topic which has sparked too much unrest already.

If anyone wants to ask me stuff as a member then please read my posts and react appropriately to statements I made or questions I not yet gave my opinion on.

I'm here as a MEMBER who happens to be part of the Administry. Even as a member I have voluntarily waived freedom of speech in the best interest of the community and I'm bound further by the politics that inevitably come with responsibility over a community.

Please be respectful.


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Amber_Glow said:The mods are telling a bunch of Swami supporters (SKEPTICS) that they should have FAITH in their decisions, without showing evidence. By definition of who they are, those who support Swami will likely try to fight the mods until their skeptic minds have been satiated by evidence.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
In my view Swami systematically selected people he disliked, homed in on their emotional weakspots and then began a systematic approach of perfectly benign rational posts loaded with this psychowarfare aimed at driving them off of Spir&Phil so it can become the SKEPTICS DEBUNKERS FORUM where people making the mistake of posting the beliefs they hold so precious and dear are ruthlessly assassinated by a mob of debunkers.

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The only evidence...
...is paranoia.

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We should have some faith in the mods, there is no reason to assume that each one of them handling this case is incompetent.

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Huehuecoyotl said:

We all use hidden meanings and inuendo in our communications.

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I beg to differ. 

Huehuecoyotl said:

You do not see it...but the smiley tells the tale. My point was that this was an unconcious process. Some do it more than others...but we all use hidden meaning and inuendo.

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Nope.  I (almost) always use a smiley, because if I don't, people think I'm being a sarcastic asshole.  So, I use smiley's a lot, to show that I'm unarmed. 

It's like a handshake, ya know???