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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3576793 - 01/03/05 09:01 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

It is a grin, not a "smug, a-hole lookin" smiley.  At least, not imo.  :grin:

See?  When I said "not imo", that could be taken wrong, as if I think my opinion is the only opinion that matters.  It could be taken as harsh. 

By putting a :grin: , I show that I'm just being light-hearted.  No seriousness intended, although it's still my opinion.  I'm not saying that you have to have my opinion, as well. 

And see?  You asked, "So, are we at war?"  You didn't put a smiley at the end of that sentence!!! 

So now I have to ask myself...."ARE we at war?"  "Is Hue being serious?"  "Does Hue think I'm really being serious and just putting a smiley there to piss him off?"  "Is Hue mad at me?" 

Hue, you really need to learn the art of the :grin:


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Frog]
    #3576826 - 01/03/05 09:09 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I never use smileys as they obscure the actual meaning. I like to be as direct as possible as well, but I often come off as sarcastic and superior...and sometimes, to my discredit, I am. Calling words on a web page warfare is a bit silly. I prefer calling it conversation. I will never be one who walks on eggshells. (I stomp them)


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3576840 - 01/03/05 09:11 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I never use smileys as they obscure the actual meaning. I like to be as direct as possible as well, but I often come off as sarcastic and superior...and sometimes, to my discredit, I am. Calling words on a web page warfare is a bit silly. I prefer calling it conversation. I will never be one who walks on eggshells. (I stomp them)




Well said, Hue, and I tip my hat.  Except I don't wear a hat.  Tried to, this past week while in Houston.  Damned store only had sizes for bigger heads than mine.  :grin:


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Frog]
    #3577175 - 01/03/05 10:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

"smug, a-hole looking smiley"  :grin:

For some reason, that caused me to laugh hysterically.  I guess it was Hue reading into the intent of the Smiley.  According to the word that comes up before you post, it is "supposed" to be a grin.  Still, Hue may have a point, that Smiley may be laughing at us and not with us. 

Damn Smileys.  I used to have a 1975 Smiley, and that thing was always in the shop.  :wink:


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Frog]
    #3577207 - 01/03/05 10:28 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

hmm.i totally think that this is finally comming to an end  :whatever: and am satisfied :sick: with how the swami situation was dealt with. :jesus: the actions taken in the matter were fair and reasonable.  :doggystyle: and swami should take it like a man and apologize to the mods over a cup of tea as his treat:stfu:  and hopefully he can come back and behave and no ones feelings will be hurt :crymeariver: in the future.


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: uriahchase]
    #3577259 - 01/03/05 10:38 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You don't get it then. This ain't about Swami...it is about having the freedom to speak your mind and argue a point fairly without fear of being banned. Swani got banned for being a hard corps skeptic. I do not think "it's" coming to an end.


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: uriahchase]
    #3577457 - 01/03/05 11:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Who's pulling your strings, Uriah?  :smirk:


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Asante]
    #3577647 - 01/04/05 12:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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The only evidence...
...is paranoia.




The only thing Sclorch sees...
...is what he wants to see



*closes eyes*

I want to see some justice.
I want to see some honesty.
I want to see some humility.

*opens eyes and looks around*

Damn... I was actually counting on that to work.


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Asante]
    #3577711 - 01/04/05 12:18 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

OK. After reading these hidden meaning posts, I decided to give it a go myself.
I picked you out Wiccan Seeker since you seem to be proficient at identifying and distributing hidden messages.

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
In my view



I am a pompous ass, so listen up.
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if Swami had gracefully taken his ban,



bent over and succumb to the Moderators of Doom
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and people hadn't been acting like a pack of vicious snarling wolves



calling out what was seen as an injustice and, in the heat of some arguments, made personal attacks
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Swami would be back for days & days posting in merryness.



Some people may have been brought joy through a perceived abuse of power.
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Too bad



Why can't I have things my way?!
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"rational philosophy people"



Those inferior folks that disagree
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can't swallow their aggression.



sit back and watch someone, who's posts they enjoy, get ass-fucked. Damn, I'm so good at swallowing.
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In OTD people know OTD matters should be settled in OTD


It is my opinion that OTD matters should be settled in OTD. If you do not feel this way, too bad you jackass
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The S&P people get righteous and holier-than-thou (thou = the entire management) and post their indignation across the forums.



The S&P people do what they feel they should, and I don't like the fact I can't control them. Their methodology is admirable.
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Classy.



I'm still better than you.


This was intended as a joke. I hope you didn't take it personal, but I know you're above that.

If a person uses hidden meaning, then they are a weirdo in my book. Why can't they say what they mean? Does it make them feel good when they THINK they are controlling a "drone"?
If you see hidden meaning in posts, then you may be suffering from paranoia, or you may be reading a weirdos(in my view) post.
Either way, a person should not be banned for what can, at best, be attributed to an interpretation of written word.


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Sclorch]
    #3577905 - 01/04/05 01:12 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Note: I?m doing this for all the rest of the Al-Swami ?terrorist? cells in the Shroomery.
:rolleyes:

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
It is interesting that in all matters relating to banning things barely cause a ripple, but that the banning of somebody for his badgering is associated by an uproar of people who start badgering the management.



How so?

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We have seen that somebody was PM-ed to join the fight against the Moderators,



Again? no one is attacking the moderators PERSONALLY.  This is about the ACTIONS of the Staff here.

And it?s good to hear you finally admit that you?re reading PMs.  Well, not really.

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we see overt aggression and hostility to the management, we see statements that the moderators should be flushed, the management is accused of BS, of paranoia, of irrational and childlike behaviors,



Some members of the management ARE dishing out BS, ARE paranoid, ARE irrational, and exhibit childlike behavior.  And you expect no reaction?

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hostile threads are being started for the sole purpose of viciousness, attacks are played directly on the person...



All the articulate threads tend to be ignored by the staff.  Don?t focus on the extreme examples just to prove your point.  I haven?t been vicious.

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But, of course, Swami has nothing to do with any disturbance of the peace. This is only natural and happens with any banning, right?



What?
Yeah? I?m only upset because Swami is paying me to be upset. :rolleyes:

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It is only normal that members act like a pack of vicious snarling wolves against the unpaid volunteers who operate and own this private site, isn't it?



Pity poor you.  You LOVE operating this site.

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Swami has broken his first ban by making an absolutely ridiculous list of demands and having someone post it illegally for him knowing full well this person could be banned for doing his dirty work. Then he comes back in outrage and gets banned again. Then he uses the puppet Gustavius.



A. The first ban is what everyone is pissed about.
B. No one was fooled by his puppet.
C. ?Outrage??  He posted his issues in the Feedback Forum, what?s so wrong about that?
D. Banned for a puppet?  Fine? see A.

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Isn't that enough?
No! we want evidence!!
You have been given evidence.



Not for the first ban.
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No we want OTHER evidence. There is no evidence.



No? we want evidence for the FIRST BAN.
Please, I?m tired of sounding like a broken record.
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...and a flame war ensues of hostility against the management.



Flame war?  Hardly.
More like a continual reminder.
(Again, ignore the extremists)

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Oh sure.
This is going to convince the Administry that Swami is innocent.



What is this word you keep using?  Administry?

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This is going to prove that the Swami Solidarity Movement is not about



Movement?  hahahahahaha
Ravus and I have sig banners.  TWO people with sarcastic sig banners!

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terrorizing the boards to get their demands answered through aggression.
This is going to promote the Administry giving out a public statement to give in to terrorism.



terrorizing? aggression? terrorism?
Jesus? you?re as bad as our president.
?Bad rhetoric, bad!  Now sit.  Sit.  Good boy.?

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This is going to help Swami not get banned for good if he breaks the rules again.
If you really believe this please visit www.lalaland.com because in the real world this blatant aggression campaign won't fly.



What rule was broken in the first place?!!
Are you talking about the ex post facto ?Swamitrolling? rule?

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When Gandhi was imprisoned his followers engaged into nonviolent protesting which freed him.



This IS nonviolent!
THESE ARE ALL JUST WORDS.
How much more NONVIOLENT can you get?

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If you really think that Swami is angelic but oppressed by a demon management you all have chosen the right path to ensure him being freed prematurely and get the accusations reviewed.
Several of you have been behaving like a pack of vicious snarling wolves out for moderator blood and in my view the matter is such that if there will be no public Administry statement on the Swama affair, a significant part of it will be the "zero tolerance on terrorism" stance that most communities have in place.



What?s with all the hyperbolic symbology?

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How about blotting out the words Swami Solidarity and writing FIGHT CLUB? because the behavior looks a lot like a bunch of anarchists with the delusions that anything goes and a great thought-up leader.



Fight Club wasn?t about anarchy.
I?d debate you on this, but I don?t want to get banned.
Not such a great design idea, though?


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In my view if Swami had gracefully taken his ban, and people hadn't been acting like a pack of vicious snarling wolves Swami would be back for days & days posting in merryness.



I suppose you?re entitled to have this view no matter how inaccurate it is.

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Too bad "rational philosophy people" can't swallow their aggression.



What aggression?
Are we stockpiling Tomahawk cruise missiles and setting our sights on Santa Cruz, CA?
?Must stop the server? must permaban the whole damn site??
Hardly.
This is TALK.  It?s what we?re doing.  We?re taaallllkkkking.

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In OTD people know OTD matters should be settled in OTD.
The S&P people get righteous and holier-than-thou (thou = the entire management) and post their indignation across the forums.



The initial FEEDBACK was posted in the proper forum.
And no one is upset with ?the entire management??  just the ones responsible for enacting their personal agenda with Swami?s first ban.

Overall, I think the admins are doing a superb job? and I thank Ythan for founding this place.


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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Asante]
    #3578278 - 01/04/05 04:24 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I have written over and over that I'm only stating my own opinion and am not representing the management.

This thread was so peaceful and respectful, now look what it has become. The entire thread? No, not the entire thread.

Huehuecoyotl and Sclorch consistantly,

keep demanding answers for things I already answered,
keep explaining my words in ways the logic in my wordings rules specifically out
Do not react to things I an writing and
react to things I did not write
and to call it a day
They fail to see the difference between a friendly discussion and the taking of hostile stances and show little empathy.

And this whole thread suffers because of it.

It has no point for me to answer your questions because you did not listen to my answers before and there is no indication that you will if i regurgitate and add to my stance once more.
If somebody drops by and empathically and in a friendly and reasonable tone asks the very same questions they will get their answers.

In contrast to any others in this whole thread, and many had strong disagreements, the two of you display a rather aggressive way of discussing that includes consistently missing or misinterpreting the point, posting questions to me that I have answered ten times before, and a complete unwillingness or incapability to maintain a respectful attitude and empathize with another's point of view.

If I were to continue with the two of you this thread effectively goes to shite. I specifically said many times earlier on in this thread that I will only discuss with people who maintain a respectful attitude, which in this long thread was anyone but Sclorch and Huehuecoyotl.

If somebody in a friendly fasion asks the same questions they get an elaborate answer but I draw the line at what I consider foam-at-the-mouth snarling.
If you call this debating then try doing so in the same fashion as a member of a city council or a bridge-club.
I like to think that in person you debate in a far more agreeable way, but then again you may not.

I am posting here as a member, and in this thread, on this topic, I have had enough of this style of disagreeing.


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