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InvisibleMoonshoe
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swami would love this
    #3260820 - 10/21/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

just watchin some trashy day time television show called 'when people attack'

one segment was about a congregation of zen buddhists who were disputing over who should be the new temple leader. In seconds it dissolved into a huge brawl. There were bald, robed monks running around in the street blasting each other with fire extinguishers and wailing on eachother with sticks.

these are people who pursure peace and love and enlightenment FULL TIME. All day every day they meditate and strive for inner peace.

I gotta say thats pretty sad and ironic.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3260831 - 10/21/04 05:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

If this is as far as they've come after striving 24/7 for peace, love and enlightenment...I've got no chance! Might as well give up now :smirk:


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Re: swami would love this [Re: trendal]
    #3261106 - 10/21/04 06:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That is hysterical. Sure anyone can be peaceful and enlightened if they sit in a cave by themselves chanting and being fed by subserviant monks.

The real test of that stuff is how does it work for the guy in corporate america.

Unless our goal as humans is to become solitary cave dwellers with a rice patty to maintain as our lifes work, we need to get more realistic and practical about not only this elusive pursuit of enlightenment, but what it means to those living in the interactive material world, and what are the practicalities and implications?

Damn, the minute these people had to make a group decision, all hell broke loose.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3261340 - 10/21/04 07:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That is awesome and truly funny...I would love to see it. It is not sad...it is just people being human.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3261385 - 10/21/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How many here think that the "non-meditating and unspiritual" Swami would hit another over a mere ego-pricking?

The sad part is believing that this method is the way to achieve spiritual enlightenment.


*Tangent Alert*

I was talking to a companion last night about another racquetball player who is quite advanced. When I mentioned that he was a martial art expert as well, the other guy said nodding, "Well that explains it", referring to the man's level of proficiency.

I was taken aback. He believed the other man had some mystical inside track because he was a student of the martial arts even though none of the top racquetball pros (nor tennis pros nor golf pros...) are martial arts students.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3261387 - 10/21/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

This is quite hilarious.

Altough it's only hilarious since the majority of monks are not at all like this.

A single bad story is more rmembered the the lack of bad stories like this for centuries.

I'm not supporting monks or anything, but on average they would still be considered far less violent than non-monks.

I also agree with jiggy that maintaining this path while immerged in society is harder, but that's exactly why they chose the monestary.

It doesn't have to be hard, or some triumphant victory to be proud of :/


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3261428 - 10/21/04 07:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

" was taken aback. He believed the other man had some mystical inside track because he was a student of the martial arts "

or maybe he just realized that a martial arts expert was likely to have developed peak physical conditioning, lighning quick reflexes and coordination, mental focus and excellent endurance, all traits that could easily be carried over to proficiency in raquetball


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Re: swami would love this [Re: deff]
    #3261432 - 10/21/04 07:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Altough it's only hilarious since the majority of monks are not at all like this.

Source? Please reference the study. If this is personal conjecture then you should state that.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3261454 - 10/21/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

as a balancing point, i could point to the dalai lama, a monk who despite the immense indignities and suffering subjected on him and his people by a chinese invasion (destruction of holy sites, using his home land as a toxic waste dump, killing his people, forcing him into exile etc) has shown nothing but love, compassion and forgiveness to those responsible for such atrocities.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3261576 - 10/21/04 08:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Altough it's only hilarious since the majority of monks are not at all like this.

Source? Please reference the study. If this is personal conjecture then you should state that."

I knew this was coming as I purposedly went out on a proofless point.

However, I was prepared...

"even though none of the top racquetball pros (nor tennis pros nor golf pros...) are martial arts students."

Source? :laugh:


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3262215 - 10/21/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Martial arts would give one a better sense of balence and tuned reflexes. There may be a connection, though not necessarily a spiritual one. It could be argued, though, that keeping one's body in peak condition IS a form of spiritual devotion and discipline.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3263011 - 10/22/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
How many here think that the "non-meditating and unspiritual" Swami would hit another over a mere ego-pricking?



I recall that you accosted me with a racket when I commented on your out of style Nike's...





If you recall, I even gave you your oz of weed back after the strings broke but you insisted on not talking to me for fifteen minutes afterwards.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3263035 - 10/22/04 12:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Martial arts give no one a leg up on other sports. ALL THE SAME principles apply no matter the arena.

Test me out on the court and tell me it is not the SAME mindset.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3263076 - 10/22/04 01:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

as a balancing point, i could point to the dalai lama, a monk who despite the immense indignities and suffering subjected on him and his people by a chinese invasion (destruction of holy sites, using his home land as a toxic waste dump, killing his people, forcing him into exile etc) has shown nothing but love, compassion and forgiveness to those responsible for such atrocities.

As a counter-balance, I could point to Donald Walters, aka Swami Kriyananda, the #1 disciple of the highly respected author of "Autobiography of a Yogi" and founder of the Self-Realization Fellowship, Paramahansa Yogananada, who after 30 years of meditation got kicked out of the commune that he (Walters) founded for sexual abuse.

Such is the power of anecdote.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3264334 - 10/22/04 01:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Very true.

That could be the start of another thread.

Once again it comes down to the ego driving force and domination/power heirarchy within the group.

Can we ever escape this?

Moonshoe said it was a TRASHY program tho. I mean hell John Edwards is like the most blatent fraud is being loved by sky! Who knows what these crazy producers do just to get a media angle?


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3265048 - 10/22/04 06:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Martial arts give no one a leg up on other sports. ALL THE SAME principles apply no matter the arena."

im not sure what your saying here. But, i still maintain that anyone who is an 'expert' or 'master' in a physical discipline requiring strength, agility , coordination and stamina will have a 'leg up' in any other sport requiring the same traits. maybe thats what your saying to, im not sure


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3265197 - 10/22/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I am saying that martial arts discipline is not superior to discipline in other sports and being a great martial artists doesn't make one an expert in another sport nor make one more spiritually advanced.

The first time I went skiing, I was in my 30s. Everyone else (all EXPERIENCED skiiers) in the group except me complained of muscle stiffness and soreness as this was their first run of the season. I felt no muscular discomfort. I attributed that to years of dance and weight-training. So yes, some skills/conditioning translate from one sport to another, but there is nothing mystical about that.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3265243 - 10/22/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've been rereading through the book I mentioned in the Bruce Lee post called Zen in Martial Arts.

It talks about zen philosophies being applied relative to developing the or a 6th sense. This 6th sense when developed is what gives the MASTERS their edge. It has provable principles that work, and yet most people don't believe in a 6th sense and call it mystical baloohey.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3265427 - 10/22/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here's an example story of the martial artists and the 6th sense. There were town elders who needed a samuri warrior for a special task.

They called 3 over at different times and asked them to enter this one home to speak to so and so. They had a man inside who was instructed to hit them with a stick when they entered the door.

The first warrior walked in and got clobbered. The second warrior walked in and instinctually clobbered the man. The 3rd warrior walked up to the door and stopped. He turned to the elders and said, "I sense danger in there. What are setting me up for?" He was the one chosen for the task. He had developed his 6th sense.

This is one reason why I was suprised no one brought it up in the instinct thread. When you develope intuition to the point you are in tune with it 24/7, instinctive reactions have little use.


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Re: swami would love this [Re: Swami]
    #3266081 - 10/22/04 11:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Your reasoning is faulty here. Martial arts develops your sense of balance and timing. This is relevant in all sports. Example: My basketball coach in high school wanted me to go out for track to improve my coordination and speed. If someone practices more than one sport they got a leg up in both due to the more rounded workout they recieve as well.


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