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Sclorch
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There's no teams in this... it just a series of bad calls... and it has all but destroyed the possibility of multidimensional, fruitful discussion.
Maybe S&P should just default to what the real whiners want: The Koombayah Forum.
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LunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
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Loc: Building 7
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Sclorch]
#3559294 - 12/29/04 09:58 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"There's no teams in this"
Perhaps not, but there are the players, and there are the referees. The referees have the whistle.
Maybe I am missing something, being one of the newbies here. Isn't this a private web site where it costs nothing to join? Isn't posting a priveledge and not a right?
If people are going to consider this their "home", perhaps they should consider who owns the house. If you don't pay rent, and you don't own the house, you aren't "home". You are JUST A GUEST. And we all know what happens to guests who wear out their welcome. SEE YA.
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Ego Death
Justadropofwaterinanendlesssea
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Swami was starting to post more and more off topic crap! Something had to be done about it.
He had built up a huge ego and was using this to manipulate discusion in the forum. Like a child, any attention was good attention.
I always saw Swami as more of a joke than anybody worth engaging in philosophical/spiritual discusion with.
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whiterasta
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Registered: 04/09/02
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Loc: Oregon
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Sclorch]
#3560910 - 12/30/04 10:31 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe S&P should just default to what the real whiners want: The Koombayah Forum.
Nah, someone is gonna get spanked. I can't read crap like "the tsunami and 2012" w/o saying something eventually.I took a ban(1fucking hr?)last night for posting this concern in the website feedback forum(where I thought FEEDBACK goes). The thread was locked saying it was just another "swami" thread and I was banned after a brief but telling interaction with a "mod?".Now I will just see how this all gets handled. I know S&P will be a Bullshit forum without the "skeptic" view. I guess in situations such as this a Zen mode is key. It don't really matter and even if it did, it don't really matter. WR
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gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
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Loc: Heart of Laughter
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Quote:
LunarEclipse said: Isn't this a private web site where it costs nothing to join? Isn't posting a priveledge and not a right?
If people are going to consider this their "home", perhaps they should consider who owns the house. If you don't pay rent, and you don't own the house, you aren't "home". You are JUST A GUEST. And we all know what happens to guests who wear out their welcome.
This is what it comes down too along with the forum rules for being a guest in someone elses home. Mods, I think this should head the forum rules post to serve as a reminder.
When I'm at my parents house, it feels like MY home, but I am just a guest there and they can pretty much tell me how I have to be when in their home or tell me to get the fuck out until I can respect their wishes and their other guests.
There are enough of you here complaining about how the owners of this home like to keep house. Why not get together and create your own Web-site? If you did, maybe you would appreciate the time and money that goes into as well as the effort to keep it an enjoyable place to be for the welcomed guests.
I would gather that the original vision was to create a community for people who shared a common interest-shroomin. I'm sure the original vision and intention included a harmonious and co-operative atmosphere, not oppositions and power plays.
I'm not on a high horse. I've been mega banned and have had threads locked. I didn't complain about it but rather took the opportunity to realize where and how I became an obnoxious house guest regardless of the provocation and appreciated the reminder of what a privilege it is to be allowed to post here.
On a final note, I fucken hate rules. Catch this, my first message board was at the crystal children web-site, you can imagine how airy fairy it was. Some of the old timers didn't like the way I played and complained to the site owner acclaimed book author Doreen Virtue herself about me.
Moderators were put in place for the first time to appease the gooey sappy oldies who felt I was to abrasive. I never got in trouble there but was like oh fuck that whiney crap, and I started my own message boards and invited everyone over who was diggen a different vibe.
Only then when all hell would break loose did I actually find myself starting to ban people and delete threads. I couldn't believe I was doing that when I valued freedom and free will as I did. I had no rules and no intention of moderating, rather participating as an equal.
I thought I was acting in the best interest of the majority who found certain people upsetting to the flow or highly negative as they did complain to me off the board and then when I would ban the offensive ones and delete the negative stuff, the others turned on me for doing it. I was like wtf?
I can really appreciate first hand what these mods are dealing with. After a while, I got tired of the time and money upkeep and trying to please everyone and bailed on it.
The moral of the story is, if you don't like how this home is wished to be kept by the owner keepers of it then maybe it's time you buy your own house, invite some guests and then maybe you will appreciate and understand this whole situation much better.
I feel bad for anytime I stepped out of line here and you won't find me complaining about my rights to be an ass in someone elses home flaming the home owners, staff in service to the festivities or the guests.
A lot of people have backed off from posting for now simply because they are waiting for the opposition against the admins and mods to settle down. Some people read like people who crashed a mellow chill civilized party, trashed the place, then had the nerve to complain about how lame the party was while making fun of the dorky guests. Its not cool, its just not cool.
Buy your own house, let everyone trash it, fight, shred and tear on your guests and YOU, then maybe the light bulb of understanding and appreciation will go off in your head.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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wandrnshaman
old hand
Registered: 09/21/03
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Loc: Pinellas Co, FL
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well said!
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Sclorch
Clyster
Registered: 07/12/99
Posts: 4,805
Loc: On the Brink of Madness
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It's easy to say when you've only been a part of this community since July.
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whiterasta
Day careobserver
Registered: 04/09/02
Posts: 1,780
Loc: Oregon
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Sclorch]
#3561355 - 12/30/04 12:42 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well said! when one has operated with a set of "rules" for a number of years and then is subjected to "new" and unanounced "rules" a reaction will ensue. Perhaps this is a rather unpopular and unflattering view of human behavior. but that IS what we all are here,human? OR... How would you like to get a ticket for driving one handed without knowlege one handed driving was an offence?Driving is also a privelige,neh? But you would still react to the injustice,right?Well this is the reaction from some long time one handed drivers. WR
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Jellric
altered statesman
Registered: 11/07/98
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Sclorch]
#3561371 - 12/30/04 12:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sclorch, I've just bought the marshmellows to roast for the fire. All we need now is a .
Seriously, the world right now is in desperate need of a trait known as tolerance. We are NEVER all going to think alike, and we are NEVER going to convert those dirty heathens either. So where does that leave us? We can try to wipe out the heathens (genocide), or segregate. Both have been tried many times throught history without success. Isn't there a third option?
Even in the U.S. people are lining up into opposing camps, red states vs. blue states. Center-to-left leaning citizens have their CNN, center-to-right has FOX news. Now you don't even have to encounter opposing points of view, you can isolate yourself and only hear from those who agree with your point of view. I think that's unhealthy, both here and the world at large. People need to hear and respect ALL sides of the story. The alternative is a closed-loop feedback system which successfully repels external contamination. Ah.. but what about internal contamination? Heh. People always forget about internal contamination! We like to think of ourselves as pure. And therein lies the fatal flaw of that type of thinking.
I have considered this place a home since the inception of the forum. So this has been a little hard for me to watch. Old school S&P such as me and Sclorch have been around here long enough to see the big picture, and the undercurrents at play. This goes deeper than just the Swamster.
Personally, I have elements of both believer and skeptic in me. To some extent I feel like I'm being forced to choose between two halves of my nature. And that is a false choice. I will step away until this blows over. Long time regulars here probably know I periodically take breaks regardless. This seems like a good time for one.
I'll leave you with a little science fact:
When a cold/dry front meets warm/moist air there is always a terrible storm. When the two opposing elements absorb and combine each others energy, the storm has passed and peace returns.
Peace to you!
-Jell
-------------------- I AM what Willis was talkin' bout.
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gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Sclorch]
#3561557 - 12/30/04 01:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sclorch said: It's easy to say when you've only been a part of this community since July.
It's been interesting watching some use the same reasons to support their beliefs and feelings that they call others "nuts" for. Say I am talking about some cosmic trippy shit and someone tells me I am nuts and I say back that they don't understand because they are just waking up and I've been involved with it for a decade. I suppose I would be called arrogant, think I am better then the newly awakened or some like cacophony, yet you sit here and say, "i have been here longer so I matter more. Same shit different face. It's also interesting to see the double standard that has lied beneath the surface coming out here. For those of you who have been deeply caught up in the swama, let me share an outside view with you. Some are beefing that this forum is NOT about feelings , people overact based on emotions and that they shouldn't and how no one can make you feel anything and that the emotional wusses here should take a hike. Well well, aren't those same people coming froward within the swama from a place of strong emotions, reacting from them as if they were made to feel hurt and upset by his unjust ban? Maybe some people should take an "aha" moment and realize, that's how some others here have felt when they come from emotion, feel that they have been treated unfairly and say things like "this made me feel this or that way". The same people who argue against that are the same ones acting in the same manor regarding the swama. We are no different in the end it appears. For example, what if Markos told you that your feelings about the shroomery being like your home that has been a part of you for so many years do not matter and that you should refrain from bringing that sentiment and part of yourself into this forum like you told him he should do with the esoterism that has become a part of him? Like jell pointed about what happens to calm a storm, the energies merge into one. We are more the same then we are not after all I hope some are realizing. We all have things we feel strongly about that have become a part of who we are and even those who have pooh poohed emotions and emotional reactions and taking offense to unfair attacks on what you feel strongly about are now doing the same exact thing. Maybe now, some of you may understand how others have felt over the years here when they come from feeling strongly about something that has become a part of them and maybe, some more consideration and respect will be shown for that across the board. Maybe no one will have grown from this. regardless, what pulled me in is what Lunar said and that is no matter how long or short you have been a guest in anothers home, and no matter how much it feels like home or how many liberties the home owner gave you in the past, they are free to reset the boundaries for their open house whenever they wish how they wish. Like a private home with owners and hired staff, this is the same thing. They had intentions and visions for this community, it is theirs to run, theirs to make the choice of staff to hire that they believe will maintain the original integrity to the best of human ability as they see fit. To insult the mods is to insult the homeowners intelligence. That's a very disrespectful thing for a house guest to do. This is an open community. No one is held captive here. People are free to come and go. This is a growing community, you have to expect change and growing pains and adjustments to occur from time to time to keep the vision alive and thriving in new directions. That's evolution. Funny how the hard core evolutionists seem to be having the most difficult time adapting to change. Remember who survives, those that can adapt to change and those who thought they were strong calling the others weak can't seem to adapt to a changing environment very well. Go ahead everyone in the swama, keep talking because all you are doing is showing yourselves to be and do what you have been accusing others of. It's sort of funny and something one can laugh at themselves over. Maybe soon we will all be laughing over this up the road TOGETHER. This is a great opportunity to take a pause for some self reflection. I know I have.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
Edited by gettinjiggywithit (12/30/04 01:46 PM)
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LunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
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"Funny how the hard core evolutionists seem to be having the most difficult time adapting to change."
Good point. Some of the evolutionists and logical members have handled the changes so poorly they have said their teary eyed goodbyes. I didn't understand it either. But, I respect the belief of members who feel wronged, whether rational and fact based, or whether irrational and based on personalities and emotions.
I do disagree with the notion that the house owners owe their guests room, board, and putting up with endless griping to boot.
Management reserves the right to refuse service to any patron. House Rules are subject to change without prior notice. Piss off the bartender and you may not be coming back to the bar.
While I would like to believe that upon the third return of the banished one, cooler heads will prevail, it seems doubtful. Neither side seems willing to budge, so git ready for the final showdown at the OK Corral.
How's that for some SwamaTM?
Still, coming to a gun fight armed with knives and verbal ones at that seems like bad odds. Maybe a good way to end up six feet under in Shroomery Boot Hill...
Let's hope not for the sake of community. I kinda miss the old gang...
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Moonshoe
Blue Mantis
Registered: 05/28/04
Posts: 27,202
Loc: Iceland
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"When I'm at my parents house, it feels like MY home, but I am just a guest there and they can pretty much tell me how I have to be when in their home or tell me to get the fuck out until I can respect their wishes and their other guests. "
well yeah but if your parents throw you out of your house for being who you are then refuse to clearly state why they did it and then 2 weeks later they let you back, and you ask about what happend with the last time, and then they just throw you out again, your parents are assholes.
swami bugged the HELL out of me often but i never complained about it to mods or anything because i figured he bugs me, maybe i bug him, but we both have the right to be who we are regardless.
he made things a bit more fun although i agree he was an attention fiend.
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gettinjiggywithit
jiggy
Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 7,469
Loc: Heart of Laughter
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Moonshoe]
#3562594 - 12/30/04 06:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, I never would of banned him. In my ideal world, I would love to be here with swami and NO RULES.
But this isn't my world to idealize. It is the admins and I and he and everyone have to respect that or not post here.
he took the time to clever craft psycho analysis and ad homonyms into words that fit within the rules. I don't care to take that time and I crossed the line a lot with him and I admit that, it was obvious.
Don't tell me you think he doesn't know how crafty he is with words and that he was banned for that initially. There is no technical rule he broke in that sense, but it was stirring up shit anyway as it was meant to and he could say, "what did I do?" Please!
I think swami and I have had more 'sweet gooey" public moments then him within anyone else here and he's made me laugh so hard I could pee my pants so no one think he and I didn't have our own mutual understanding that required NO mod interference on my behalf. Swam entertainment was often better then TV and I use to tell him he should be a sit com writer. He was wasting his talent here. He belongs in Hollywood. I had a lot of fun with him and hes gone. I have no one to play smokey and the bandit with now cuz the bandit's been smoked out.
So, I will readjust, re-conform to the new rules best I can when I post here and life goes on anew falalalala
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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LunarEclipse
Enlil's Official Story
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Loc: Building 7
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: Moonshoe]
#3562682 - 12/30/04 07:17 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Santa and Swami came and went all too quickly. I hope Swami comes back along with others who have left and all can just drop this banning thing. This place is worth it. Thank you mods for letting this thread ride after this most recent ban, as I feel some good ideas were expressed. Should you wish to lock it now, you have my blessing. Happy New Year all and thanks for the learning and the laughs.
Edited by LunarEclipse (12/30/04 09:22 PM)
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incubaby_421
half naked andfull witted
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Loc: the center of the univers...
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yes... ive found the hippie convention to re-enstate swami HCRS thats sounds like a good name for it. FREE SWAMI!...FREE SWAMI!...FREE SWAMI!!!
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incubaby_421
half naked andfull witted
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i know that was ignorant. i know it was annoying. and i know it was degrading to the human race. but forgive me i just couldnt help myself that time.
-------------------- "yet the more i dig, the more i consume, the more i unfold... the less protected i feel. i am the spit on the hair of the son of an electron, swimming around the nucleus of a cell inside the sperm of a killer bee, and my purpose is as nebulous as why weve been bestowed with the capacity to give a shit" Brandon Boyd
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wandrnshaman
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Registered: 09/21/03
Posts: 1,196
Loc: Pinellas Co, FL
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I know skepticism is an important part of any open minded community but you'd think the level of acceptance that should be kept here would allow the young shroomers the chance to step out in their shaky new belief system without being browbeat back into submission by critical comments and goading by the critical masses who've owned this forum for so long.
Some of us may have forgotten how scary it was to see errors in a fundamental belief system and know that it isn't the correct path for ourself. Then again, maybe some here still believe their way is the only way. Hopefully, open discussion will begin to take place in this forum soon instead of just debate.
I'm sure I'll regret this post in the morning but right now I'm just tired of seeing what you'd think would be one of the most advanced, free willed, spiritual forums on the internet being over run by the some of the most vocal cynics online. I think many would like to express new ideas and theories here but are afraid of the backlash. I know the few posts I've made here have consumed too much of my free time just trying to defend myself when all I wanted to do was discuss.
It would be very nice if someone made a messageboard just for the ones who aren't happy with the way things are going here. I'm not wanting to debate this post with any fundamentals either. What's good for you is good for you. Just my thoughts.
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GazzBut
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You have alot of opinions on the subject of S&P and you have been here 3 months?? The vibe has changed in this forum without a doubt.
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wandrnshaman
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Re: Santa aka Swami [Re: GazzBut]
#3564611 - 12/31/04 08:56 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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whiterasta said:Well said! when one has operated with a set of "rules" for a number of years and then is subjected to "new" and unanounced "rules" a reaction will ensue. Perhaps this is a rather unpopular and unflattering view of human behavior. but that IS what we all are here,human? OR... How would you like to get a ticket for driving one handed without knowlege one handed driving was an offence?Driving is also a privelige,neh? But you would still react to the injustice,right?Well this is the reaction from some long time one handed drivers. WR
Could acceptance be a reaction, too? In this country we are being imposed with more laws as we speak. If someone will react to an injustice, how about reacting to this instead of a friend getting banned at your favorite message board. I was pulled over on an interstate highway in south Georgia for 'getting a little too close to the white line' a little over a year ago. My car alledgedly smelled 'like burning marijuana' (not) and the subsequent search revealed a few ounces of dried mushrooms. Laws are being enforced thru lies regularly in my country and my reaction is to share my experience with others, not expressions of outrage.
Injustice...I'm used to that since I am a United States citizen. I can't leave the country legally because I'm a convicted felon stemming from a simple retaliatory assault in '90 which the victim later lied to cops and said I took money from him during the attack to make it a felony violation. I'm sure there are others who believe that this is an acceptable way to enforce the law but to me, personally it's an injustice and I just deal with it.
I share my experience with others when it comes up to warn them...but as you mature, you learn that life isn't fair and if you keep stirring up shit when you come around, people soon begin to turn their head when they see you coming.
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whiterasta
Day careobserver
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Loc: Oregon
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belly up! Just accept it. Now that is what makes america great! WR
-------------------- To old for this place
Edited by whiterasta (12/31/04 09:43 AM)
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