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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Sins and Forgiveness [Re: Swami]
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What is sin, acording to whom or what? If its just mistakes, and one side claiming truth over another, then where is the objectivity? How can you really know if something which humans made up called "sin" is in our biological, spiritual, ______ , nature.

I have heard definitions of what sin is, and what i interpreted it to be.. but what is it for this discussion?

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Re: Sins and Forgiveness [Re: trendal]
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Are you sure that admitting your problem is a good step? Most of the drug addicts I know will gladly admit their problem. This enables them to keep it up. Those who don't admit it will either admit it and become the type I just described, or one day admit it and stop at the same time. It seems to me admitting sins alone is no indication of maturity.


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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: Sins and Forgiveness [Re: Alan Stone]
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Without action, intentions are null and void.


Exactly.

Case in point:  I intend on taking over the world. I really, truly do, and once I do I'll kill you all.

Will any of you lose sleep over my intentions?

by the way, that was a joke  :crazy2:


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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: Sins and Forgiveness [Re: oceansize]
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Intentions are of primary importance. Actions are only important insofar as they allow the purity of intention to be measured?

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Re: Sins and Forgiveness [Re: the_phoenix]
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No, because we have an enormous capacity for intent, and it certainly does not always selfrepresent. Noone is evil in their own mind, yet evil or sinful actions take place constantly.


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"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." - Friedrich Nietzsche


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Re: Sins and Forgiveness [Re: Swami]
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i find one point you make interesting:
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This all goes back to my original sig: "A difference that makes no difference IS no difference." Any internal change reflects itself in outward change or it is mere self-deception.



If something changes, then something *has* changed. You are basically saying "A difference that makes no observable difference should not be considered a difference," correct?

This seems to fit in perfectly with your own expressed view of natural order- ie only what is observable in some form is part of the universe.

However, this contradicts itself in
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it is mere self-deception

because your lack of observation does not = observation.

It may be far far more than self-deception- but it will not affect you, because you cannot observe it. Any mental change allows an outlet for more mental change, which can *eventually* lead to outward change. Eg; all the saying "sorry!!" for a sin can lead to actually showing it. I guess all I did was rephrase the question in the form of "who killed the man?? the gun, or the man?", but I think it might be relevant. Saying sorry is not inherently useless.


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and this is more of a solid point- The people who think that only apologizing for a sin will redeem them are silly protestants. The Catholic church actually makes sense in this respect- ie you must CHANGE to be forgiven.

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