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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Forgiveness needs to be bilateral for it to be complete [Re: Fucknuckle]
#4531001 - 08/13/05 06:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am kidding, but come on man, your irritation with Swami is making him more important than he is to you...
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Fucknuckle
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Re: Forgiveness needs to be bilateral for it to be complete [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4531067 - 08/13/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know the thing is this............. The personality of Swami in person is most certainly a far Superior person. ( say that 4 times fast ) You know a very nice guy, anyone would want him as a freind. Me too 
What I mean is I think we all find it hard to deal with personal issues over the face of a thread. What a person says, or how it is percieved is not always what they are feeling. We all now that. I am guilty of one person getting under my skin. Is it because I truly have no forgiveness in my heart for anything between us ? hum.......... Honestly I don't think so.
I have thought about this very hard. Here is the fact, were are in a thread about forgiveness and here I am being taken by the urge to expose the weak links in the armor of " Swami " What the heck am I doing I say to myself ? I am starting to think it is not Swami at all. But the fact that much of what I have inside of me, that I struggle with, is much of what " Swami " dishes out to others. Like how there is always a undertone of "Hear me I am a mind control expert" in many of his threads ,LOL no harm but we all know what I mean. So I have concluded that I should be aware of what is real and not what I feel
Swami and people like him are good for all of us. I find that the problem lies within me. It is I that needs to deal with my own personal issues of " supremacy ". I have always been in a position of leadership, the guy to lean on, "hey he can do it" guy, ask him how to do this or that guy, just about everything he does worked great guy . So in here I may sometimes seem to be a ...er........ knowitall ?
So........... I seem to lack the complete humility it takes to deal "Self" like kind of people. The hardship for me is to be able to face my own stubborn ways and stop dealing with it in other "sellike" people or placing my burdon on there shoulders. My short comings should have no bearing on how I truly feel about them.
In other words....... What I don't like about the online "Swami" is what I don't like about me.
So it seems Swami and all of you have allowed me to come to a crossroads in the path of forgiveness. First forgiveness for myself and for those around me. I must deal with the truth, start on the real path of change in this area and let it go. The issue is not outside me, it is found within.....
-------------------- What it is, is what it is my Brother. It is as it is, so suffer thru it.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Forgiveness needs to be bilateral for it to be complete [Re: Fucknuckle]
#4531280 - 08/13/05 08:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami..like me...like you...are only words on a web page...the people, as they are presented here, do not exist.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Forgiveness needs to be bilateral for it to be complete [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4531437 - 08/13/05 09:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey, i've only been here for a few weeks and I find that I disagree with swami already. 
Only because I get irritated and actualy have to force myself to defend my opinions about myself, and the world. So really, it's all great.
-------------------- Do not despair, said the mystery. You will always have a friend in me. Untill the day you break my code. Then I will be gone, and you are free... to manifest another.
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Re: Forgiveness needs to be bilateral for it to be complete [Re: AvatarofAtavism]
#4531873 - 08/13/05 11:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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AvatarofAtavism said:
Only because I get irritated and actualy have to force myself to defend my opinions about myself, and the world. So really, it's all great.
I admire people who can actually think outside the box and be cognizant of the mechanics at hand which causes them to behave in such ways. Too many folks with over-grown egos that just won't do this. Kudos. 
-------------------- Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death, and sweet as love.
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Rose
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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Shroomism]
#4532598 - 08/14/05 02:34 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've been following this batch of drama too. And notice S&P novices, both Shroomism AND Swami cleared out of this thread when it turned south. So, come on, you S&P drama queens, stop fucking up an important discussion, and let this thread stay on its intended topic.
Shroomism, you are a greater mod than most for having the guts to admit your mistakes. Ballsiest act of Moderation I've seen in my tenure here. You have my respect.
Swami, you too are gutsy. You lurk in territory which makes many uncomfortable. You stick to your convictions and DO NOT APOLOGIZE unless you feel you did something wrong. I truly believe the work you do here in this forum is noble and, in this case, you did nothing wrong (according to the rules)... so there is no need to apologize. Sorry Shirl... love ya'.
However, what you DID do, and say, to Shroomism, in his thread, was as tactless, as it was ballsy. You were not NEARLY clear enough in your post, to properly convey the message you intended... so instead, what Shroomism saw was a big, "FUCK YOU". I have little doubt that was, at least, part of your intent but the important points you wanted to make, were lost along the way.
What Shroomism wrote took time, thought and passion, and you may as well have taken a big dump on it.
Your points were valid, but they were mean-spirited and poorly worded. You've already admitted as much. You DID ignite this fire... but, when you try to make the points you make, Swami, MOST people will become defensive. You know this better than I... it is hard to blame you when defensiveness comes with the territory... all things considered, you do an amazing job. SOMEBODY has to do what you do, or this wouldn't be S&P... and thank God, you aren't a drama queen... although they seem to flock to you... I suppose that too, comes with the territory. 
Next time you wish to convey a BIG message, make a BIGGER post. 
OK, so... Shroomism, if the past REALLY is the past,
Let's look back at your Fear vs. Love thread.
I trust you know I am re-posting this to clear the air, not ignite it... please, think of this as a small, "Thank you" for your WONDERFUL help in the Tripper's FAQ... not as an attempt to re-open Pandora's box. This may hurt a little, but I think it will be worth it. Do you trust me?
Then, read on bitch.
This passive aggressive love fest of a thread is getting old quick anyway.
Resurected from The Dump, here's your post, which provoked Swami's tactless reply.
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Shroomism said: does anyone notice that there seems to be a consistent polarity in certain people? and oftentimes these people will be promoters of a certain emotion.. fear and love being frequent and polar opposites. I would like to discuss this topic. It is of great interest to me in my studies. I think that these are the most primary feelings, since the creation of the universe and it's subsequent evolution. On some level I understand that fear is necessary for survival, and used in a constructive manner can be a very empowering and enlightening tool to possess and transcend. Nevertheless, I have lived in fear.. and it can be a very destructive and dark place. As it stands currently I cannot imagine living in anything but centered in love. It is only common sense to me, yet from other perceptions it is not.
I am aware of the fragmentation of human consciousness, in that we are all connected, and the pieces make the whole, yet somehow the pieces are all whole themselves. In this aspect we sort of "bounce" off each other, and learn from each other in a twisted dance of human subjective experience. All to contribute to evolution of course.. evolution through wisdom. so while I cannot imagine living in fear, I certainly can't condemn it.. as I've done the same.
but it seems as time goes by that more and more people are 'choosing sides' in this cosmic chess game. Could it be that the next stage of human evolution- the 4th and 5th densities is a completely polarized realm of opposites, all interacting in perfect harmony? Or at least.. an attempt at it?
I don't know. Somehow I think it all boils down to one basic concept - service to self and service to others. In 3D we experience the full range of both polarities freely.. but in 4D one must have chosen a soul orientation, and those of the same orientation tend to stick together in large communities. to the self-serving, fear is the center of life.. to the service to others, it is love.
Maybe in the 6D and 7D they blend together eh?
Then, Shroomism, you know what Swami said, but, I think you may have misunderstood his point... due to Swami's innate lack of tact (not against the rules ) So... Shroomism, rather than posting what Swami actually said, allow me to attempt translate tactfully what Swami was trying to say to you.
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Cervantes TACTFUL translation of what Swami was saying in his reply to your post:
Heh, Shroomism... your post reminds me of the type of posts I make. You know, the posts that get me in trouble because you (or other Mods, Admins or Shroomerites) fail to see the Spirituality or Philosophy within them. I could easily argue until I am blue in the face as to why Fear and Love... in the context you used them, in your post, have nothing to do with either Spirituality OR Philosophy. But I don't feel like it, because that would be impractical, and beside the point. My point is, with infinite Spiritualities and Philosophies available, to every human, the pot will always be able to call the kettle black (from a certain angle at least) . I was banned for weeks because of NOTHING, yet people flame me all the fucking time and NOTHING happens. Perhaps you've heard me bitch about this before...
THIS issue has as much to do with what you wrote in your first post as anything... so why don't we just ignore what you posted, and instead discuss the issues I have just mentioned... it is what YOU'D do if I posted such a thread (assuming it wasn't locked or dumped). Besides... for all you wrote, your post was SOOOO vague, I wouldn't begin to know how to reply. Feel free to clarify what you wrote, your post lacks a certain CONTEXT. In other words... What'chu talkin' 'bout Willis?
Nah, I read your post ONCE already... so, on second thought, don't re-write it. Instead, PLEASE, discuss my concerns. I am not full of shit... and while I know, this isn't the time nor the place, Shroomism, I trust you are man enough to make the time, and choose the place, to have this discussion. Until then dude, I hope you understand why I am going to be in your face. This is important to ME. I care at least as much about this place as you do. I've known you for years, and you have all the makings of a GREAT man. Please Shroomism, don't fuck that up by becoming a hypocrite too.
In all seriousness, Swami
I hope this sheds some light on the points Swami was trying to make, and I think it is a discussion worth having, ESPECIALLY if the past is behind us.
Come on guys, get back on the horse, and discuss this important issue like the men you are... before I mix another metaphor.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Rose]
#4533165 - 08/14/05 08:18 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: So, come on, you S&P drama queens, stop fucking up an important discussion, and let this thread stay on its intended topic.
I see one S&P drama queen and two moderators from somewhere else continuing the off-topic discussion. If you really wanted to keep this thread on in its intended topic, one would simply need to delete Shirley's initial post, as well as all following posts that do not focus on the original, intended dicussion, including mine and yours, just as irrelevant, disrupting replies in other threads would be removed. Otherwise, it is pointless to continue requesting that everyone stays on-topic, especially if the person requesting it fans the flames by delving even deeper into the situation. 
 Peace.
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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Icelander
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Hey dude! I really like where you are comming from. But this is the shroomery.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Rose
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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Icelander]
#4534044 - 08/14/05 02:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well said.
FG, I like you... and my post was not aimed at you. Instead, it was aimed at Swami, Shroomism, and the S&P drama queens. Why did you think you were included among the drama queens?
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fireworks_god
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Re: Forgiveness [Re: Rose]
#4537114 - 08/15/05 08:31 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: FG, I like you... and my post was not aimed at you. Instead, it was aimed at Swami, Shroomism, and the S&P drama queens.
I never assumed that your post was aimed at me. 
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Why did you think you were included among the drama queens?
I never implied that I did think that I was, and I, in fact, don't think that I was. 
Why did you think that I thought I was included? 
 Peace.
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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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