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DoctorJ


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All is forgiven
#5616711 - 05/11/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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but no one gets away with anything.
this is the nature of karma.
you will be forgiven for your sins, but not until you have balanced them out with right actions.
If it takes you one life or a hundred lives to do this, it doesn't matter. Go at your own pace.
But the smart thing would be to never sin in the first place!
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5616749 - 05/11/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then what learning value would this life have? And what would be it's purpose? Life is made to experiment, to find out for ourselves what's what. If we were never to sin there are two possibilities: the first in which we don't sin because we know what it means, we know what it causes and this means we've already been there, through life, meditation, etc and the second in which one feels the need to sin, and holding itself from it without being convinced, by forcing itself, which for me it has no value.
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If we become conscious to our true nature, no longer identifying with the old mind made self who was suffering then there is no what some say karma.
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: felix4life]
#5617268 - 05/11/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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karma is a good program, and it will be kept going even after the destruction of planet earth, if that ever happens.
but yes, there are some beings who are above it.
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Re: All is forgiven *DELETED* [Re: DoctorJ]
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5620064 - 05/12/06 03:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: but no one gets away with anything.
this is the nature of karma.
you will be forgiven for your sins, but not until you have balanced them out with right actions.
If it takes you one life or a hundred lives to do this, it doesn't matter. Go at your own pace.
But the smart thing would be to never sin in the first place!
I believe you are comming from a christian perspective, right?
If that is so, then this really is not consistant with the teachings. In christianity, you are forgiven the same moment you regret and repend.
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: soulcircus]
#5620168 - 05/12/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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soulcircus said: doctor j what do you think happens after you are salvaged from your karma, nirvana, the end your finished for enternity? a new form of life in some other balance? ...? just curious as to your thoughts
then you do it all over again on the hard setting
thankfully, the game is different each time you play
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5620883 - 05/12/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: but no one gets away with anything.
this is the nature of karma.
you will be forgiven for your sins, but not until you have balanced them out with right actions.
If it takes you one life or a hundred lives to do this, it doesn't matter. Go at your own pace.
But the smart thing would be to never sin in the first place!
You speak as if you know this is true. But do you? In fact each person who believes basically what you believe will believe it just slightly different and all others have many shades of very different beliefs. Who made you the ultimate spokesman for reality/truth? Or is this just your current best guess like everyone else seems to be doing?
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: Icelander]
#5621169 - 05/12/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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do u know anything thats true ? , i dont. everything is just my best guess, so ill give u my best guesses u give me yours and thats the best we can do.
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5621173 - 05/12/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: karma is a good program, and it will be kept going even after the destruction of planet earth, if that ever happens.
but yes, there are some beings who are above it.
how do some beings rise above karmic nature?
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: fresh313]
#5621484 - 05/12/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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enlightenment is the ultimate goal of karma.
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: fresh313]
#5621497 - 05/12/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said:
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DoctorJ said: karma is a good program, and it will be kept going even after the destruction of planet earth, if that ever happens.
but yes, there are some beings who are above it.
how do some beings rise above karmic nature?
divine grace
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5621532 - 05/12/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: but no one gets away with anything.
this is the nature of karma.
you will be forgiven for your sins, but not until you have balanced them out with right actions.
If it takes you one life or a hundred lives to do this, it doesn't matter. Go at your own pace.
But the smart thing would be to never sin in the first place!
I just find this hard to believe from experience. Learning does happen but there is no perfect balance to it and there is no concern for human values. That's my opinion.
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: soulcircus]
#5622039 - 05/12/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you want to.
nirvana gets boring after awhile.
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5622254 - 05/12/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cause and effect.
*silence*
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5622296 - 05/12/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: if you want to.
nirvana gets boring after awhile.
That makes a lot of sense. 
Boredom = a state of being unsatisfaction with reality.
Now, I would pretty much think that someone in nirvana would not be capable of boredom, as they would be above such an ignorant state.
But hell, what do you mean when you say nirvana? Maybe its some definition I've never heard of? Here's the dictionary for a quick reference:
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nir·va·na Audio pronunciation of "nirvana" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nîr-vän, nr-) n.
1. often Nirvana 1. Buddhism. The ineffable ultimate in which one has attained disinterested wisdom and compassion. 2. Hinduism. Emancipation from ignorance and the extinction of all attachment. 2. An ideal condition of rest, harmony, stability, or joy.
Hhhm... no attachment (thus, nothing could ever leave an attachment unfufilled, resulting in boredom )... an ideal condition of harmony... yes.... how positively boring... 
It would sort of be like moving into a new town, and finally learning all of the roads and how to get from one's house to work, from one's house to the restaurant, etc. etc... wow, I'm bored knowing this, let's stick this in my brain and forget about it! 
Understanding = never boring. Why? Because you understand.
Shall I rant on? 
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Re: All is forgiven [Re: DoctorJ]
#5622403 - 05/12/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dude, do you even know what you're talking about?
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It's not PC to ask such questions.
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MushroomTrip said: dude, do you even know what you're talking about?
do you?
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