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OfflineSigno
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I grew up in a religious environment
    #3065718 - 08/29/04 05:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I can probably tell a bunch of stories from the bible. There was alot of dogma which seemed to surround my religion, which concerned me even from a young age. It didn't take long for me to discover what I guess I now believe:

The only 2 important things taught by Jesus were ORGANIZED RELIGION IS BAD, and THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE US IS LOVE.

Anyone care to comment?


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3065799 - 08/29/04 06:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"ORGANIZED RELIGION IS BAD"

It depends on the individual. Downing other people's beliefs as inferior is self important behavior.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3065812 - 08/29/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am not "downing" anyone's beliefs, I am merely stating mine.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3065829 - 08/29/04 06:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

The only 2 important things taught by Jesus were ORGANIZED RELIGION IS BAD, and THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SAVE US IS LOVE.

Anyone care to comment?


And that wine is important during a social celebration.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Swami]
    #3065851 - 08/29/04 06:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"wine is important during a social celebration"

I wonder if Jesus approves of beer? How about a good dark beer like Becks.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3065858 - 08/29/04 06:35 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

My new fave - try Fat Tire Ale. It is an Amercian "boutique" ale that puts the German beers to shame (in the same way that German beers put "mainstream" American beers to shame).


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Swami]
    #3065877 - 08/29/04 06:41 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I don't drink as much as I used too, but I will drink a brew now and again...I'll keep my eye out for it.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3065892 - 08/29/04 06:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Beer is proof Jesus loves us.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3065901 - 08/29/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, 'It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than to be selfish and worry about my liver.'"
--Jack Handey


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3066184 - 08/29/04 08:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
"Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, 'It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than to be selfish and worry about my liver.'"
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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3066944 - 08/29/04 11:28 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

my sentiment exactly. Free love, music, and drugs. Jesus was just a hippy and a brother. :thumbup:

The church ... I'm not nearly as fond of them. The idea of dogmatizing and organizing religion to conform to the whims of a few is just wrong.
If there is a god, I doubt it would care if I worshipped him weekly.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3067063 - 08/29/04 11:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

hey now, you're twisting this all around. that's threatening to me that you are reaching your own conclusions about jesus, please go to a church.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3067854 - 08/30/04 04:14 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

1. What I like about organized religion is that I can go to their churches when I need a break.

2. I believe in love. (Wasn't that a line in "A Beautiful Mind"???)

As for #1, I don't believe I need to belong to a church. But I like a church I can go to where others have similar beliefs to mine where I can sort of get my head back into the simplicity of life again, after months of getting pounded. Well, seems like getting pounded sometimes.

This church I go to is residence to a preacher from some southern state, so his drawl is relaxing. Plus, he teaches the bible from a simplisitic perspective. Simply, "love one another".


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3067914 - 08/30/04 05:13 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What do you mean by organized religion?

Has anyone seen Stigmata?
"The kingdom of God is within you and all around you. It is not within buildings of wood or stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Look beneath a stone and I am there."


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3068141 - 08/30/04 08:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Organised religion = pick-up joint

You can not underestimate the social aspect of organised religion


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: ninjapixie]
    #3068231 - 08/30/04 09:21 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: SpecialEd]
    #3068603 - 08/30/04 12:24 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

SpecialEd said:
hey now, you're twisting this all around.  that's threatening to me that you are reaching your own conclusions about jesus, please go to a church.




lol

the irony of the situation is that I go every week  :tongue2:


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: Signo]
    #3068750 - 08/30/04 01:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, the organisation of religion holds the danger, that the worldly 'organisation' is overemphasized and as result religion gets second place and tainted. (A human, worldly problem, with any organisations)
Emphasize 'good' believes (= religion) and celebrate it with others ! :wink:
Believes will organise themselves, if you don't mind telling them to the interested.
Organisations of 'believes' often forgot for what they stand for.
The followers of Petrus definitely got something wrong.


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Re: I grew up in a religious environment [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #3069389 - 08/30/04 03:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Jesus taught a lot more than that, but yes, his main message was Love. There is no doubt about that.

Beyond love, he taught MANy, MANY important things, which I dont care to elaborate on...


but I agree. Finding Jesus's message, or Krishna's message, or Buddha's mesage....this things need to found in our OWN hearts. Religions can help, but signing up for christianity isnt a guaranteed way to be dis-ease free (like jesus taught), god-realized (like jesus taught), and all of the other qualities he showed man how to achieve.


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