Nichrome said:

What's wrong with evil? 

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In Revelation 3:16, it states, "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

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Nichrome said:

What's wrong with evil? 

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mt cleverest said:

Nichrome said:

What's wrong with evil? 

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It’s bad!
No one can escape the good and bad paradigm . These guys pretend to not care they just move around values. They care for sure about their public image and losing their hoardings, losing money = bad to every person except maybe some homeless ppl who got their own idea of good and bad no doubt.

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It's one thing to say God allows evil to give people free will.

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blessed said:

CreonAntigone said:

blessed said:

So a question please CreonAntigone.

What do you believe is the reason God made man?

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I do not believe anything made man. But if I were to try and answer like a Christian, as I might have when I was younger, I'd probably say: 'out of an abundance of love, that he wants to have other beings in the world with him. Perhaps in some sense loneliness, if we can attribute that to him. Or if not, perhaps the sense of fulfillment from taking care of something else, which humans experience when they have children. God just has the same sense of wanting the best for one's offspring, as one does their own children; and the wonder at bringing life into the world.'

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Personally, I don't believe that God was lonely and therefor needed us.

I believe he made us because he could (his power), he wanted to (his will) (which includes to show us his love).  Therefor your last suggestion (underlined) is the closest in my opinion.

Although God did make us to worship, praise and obey him, he also (at the same time) made us to be the recipients of his love.  You have to consider that God wanted to love men (and woman) before he actually made us.  So the question God would have considered was,

How do I show love to these humans I want to make? (remember at this time no human had yet been made)

One way God could have made us, was to make and place us all immediately in heaven (avoiding this painful reality).

Here's the reason why I believe that he didn't.  Had he done so, we would basically be robotic servants saying (preprogrammed) that we love him (and thank him) only because he made us to say it.  Also, his love for us would find very little way to demonstrate itself because although everyone is super happy, we humans would not be able to truly grasp how much he loved us.

An example is this: Most people enjoy hugging someone they love.  I believe that had God made us as just mentioned above, that we would have come into existence immediately in the Hug position.

The question is what makes a hug so special?  It's the separation prior to the Hug.

If we were made immediately in the Hug position we would not understand (or truly appreciated) what we had been given.

So do you see how the above way would fail on two fronts

1. We would not be able to truly understand God's love for us and nether be able to truly (by choice / will) love him back.

2. And for this reason God would have failed to make humans to truly love (which includes us knowing that he does).

There had to be another way.

(to be continued)

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