B Traven said:

Beyond that, if I'm being real, the phrase "woodlovers and exotics" conjures up images of woodlover's paralysis and amanita-induced brain damage.

---

Elixirel said:

B Traven said:

Beyond that, if I'm being real, the phrase "woodlovers and exotics" conjures up images of woodlover's paralysis and amanita-induced brain damage.

---

The latter is not a thing and I suspect neither is the former. I used to get paralysis with high dose liberty caps all the time- which is why I stopped eating them

---

Kloakk said:

Breadly710 said:

Tell me more Kloakk. I have tried and might get a few to pop up in the winter.
My oldest is moving out next month so his room will be the cult room/office. Actually have decent climate control in there.

---

I was just tooting my own horn I was assuming you had seen my build.

---

LogicaL Chaos said:

Ive also grown Natals and Orchas. Love those species. Do those count as "exotics"?

---

Peleus said:

I haven't yet grown exotics, but I plan to.

Why I haven't gotten into them yet, from most important to least:
- they require manure*. It's difficult to cook in a flat, not to mention while living with someone
- they're harder to grow than cubes and take much longer
- it is just a tad more expensive to get a hold of them for me. I can get pans and ochra (only have pans for now, but am itching for ochras). Haven't found a way to get other exotics or stone producers.


* I know about growing without it and that's what I plan, but as I understand it, it's easier to use pasteurized poo

---

PhenoDreamers said:

LogicaL Chaos said:

Ive also grown Natals and Orchas. Love those species. Do those count as "exotics"?

---

Natal and ochras are both assumably ochras. But technically any active that is a cube would be an exotic or woodlover right. But ochras are soooo close to cubes I wouldnt really consider them exotics. The stuntzii should be really cool! I have t fruited that one yet. But I did give a colonized container of pine bark mulch to a friend and it fruited for him 🤷‍♂️🙄🤣 anyways I have more going so should find success with it soon hahah.

I didn't expect so much responses on this and Id like to reply to everyone when given the time. But out of most of the comments that Im seeing where they don't want to because of a specific reason pertaining to something like the trip, or temps, or manure, or etc. Heres what I have to say to that. There's like idk a hundred species or so in Psilocybe genbank. Now these are different, described species. That means they've been labeled their own species and are unique. All of them have different alkaloid levels. So many of them feel very different from one another. So if you're a cube person and tripped on pans and didn't like it more. There's many more to try. Of course that's back into experimenting if that's something youre up to. There could be a species out there tho that once you take, you'll regret having waited so long.

Same goes for temperature, conditions, substrate, etc. There's MANY species that don't require a hotter or colder temperature, or manure, or wood. There's tons of species that can be grown in the same substrate as cubes. There's tons of species that be grown inexpensively. Basically just a tub with an aquarium air pump and an air stone! So cheap!!! For people who have seen my lab, yeah I have expensive taste BUT I acquired nearly everything I have from when I was a vendor AND it's because I try to fruit all active Psilocybe species outside of cubensis. So I've set myself up to be able to tackle everything and anything. It's my goal to outline exact parameters needed for every single species and be able to write detailed notes on it for the community as a whole some day.

I would like to make a thread specifically dedicated for "What species can I grow?" And people can comment all of the parameters they can hit easily and substrate they can acquire easily. From there I can comment every species that I can think of that they should be able to grow given the conditions. I'm just afraid that this thread would just be lost and not easy to find. So it feels kind of pointless. With that being said, anyone is free to message me this instead!

As for yield, if that's you're issue and you live somewhere that isn't a desert. Wow, you really should be looking into some outdoor woodlovers. You'd be pretty amazed! Oh and woodlovers paralyses comes from Section Subaeruginosae. There's still Sections Ovoideocystidiata, Aztecorum, Caerulescentes, and some in Section Semilanceatae that are all woodlovers that don't cause WLP. Many people don't even experience it though, even within Subaeruginosae. I have a list written here that destailes what species are in what section if you're curious

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29183195

---

I would definitely follow that "what species can I grow?" thread. I kind of tube out most discussions and comments that don't deal with cubensis because it's like listening to mechanics talk in passing about working on cars I've never seen.

HappinessStan said:

You can pasteurise manure subs in closed jars and have an open jar in the middle of the pan with a thermometer in it to avoid stinking out your house.
That's how I did my bulk substrate for cubes (15 years ago) before everyone realised coir was easier.

---

Not directed at you Stan, you were just the last one to mention poo I just wanted to add that I haven't used manure in a single exotic grow, I use cow manure compost, it's smells and basically is, soil, it works great really, i sift it and use straight out the bag.

Kloakk said:

HappinessStan said:

You can pasteurise manure subs in closed jars and have an open jar in the middle of the pan with a thermometer in it to avoid stinking out your house.
That's how I did my bulk substrate for cubes (15 years ago) before everyone realised coir was easier.

---

Not directed at you Stan, you were just the last one to mention poo I just wanted to add that I haven't used manure in a single exotic grow, I use cow manure compost, it's smells and basically is, soil, it works great really, i sift it and use straight out the bag.

---

HappinessStan said:

You can pasteurise manure subs in closed jars and have an open jar in the middle of the pan with a thermometer in it to avoid stinking out your house.
That's how I did my bulk substrate for cubes (15 years ago) before everyone realised coir was easier.

---

Thanks for the tip HS, I'll give a shot in spring!

Kloakk said:

I haven't used manure in a single exotic grow, I use cow manure compost, it's smells and basically is, soil, it works great really, i sift it and use straight out the bag.

---