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First time grower in need of some guidance
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So I bought my all in one pre colonised grow bag, and waited eagerly for it's arrival. I've been swotting up in the week it took.
I soon realised I should have looked at this kind of thing before I chose the strain I'd try, in my one and only chance of success. Knowing what I do now, I might not have based my choice on, "Google what's the strongest magic mushroom known to man". Although Knowing me, I might have still gone with APE.
Anyway, I'm gonna try post a couple of pics to show my pathetic set up. If anyone is able to spot any glaring errors please let me know. I've got no idea. I do have 6 years of plant cultivation experience, I'm a good study and I blasted scrubbed myself an spare room to an inch of our lives.
I'd be ever so grateful for any assistance. I'm not even sure if I'm posting this in the correct place. But hay ho!
Ps in case anyone was wondering, yes I am high


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I'm not sure if the silence is, cos I've posted it in the wrong place, or it's so perfect in every way, it's pointless to even comment. I know what my money is on.

Regardless I have done my best, I will be happy to tell you all the outcome, in hopefully 3 to 4 weeks.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I will add my thoughts on the all in one grow bag experience.
It was really fun and I can see it being a good hobby. I'd love to see it being as straightforward as the description in the cloud920 ape221 grow bag instructions. The only issue I had was the clip. I'd never seen a clip like it. So covered in disinfectant, masked and gloved, surrounded by the stuff I'd need at the critical moment, I ended up faffing with the clip for a good few minutes, panicking and cursing my idiocy. I could almost feel the invisible bacteria over running us, but I took a breath and mastered this new style of clip. If it's a total failure and I cultivate nothing but slime, I'm just gonna assume it was the clip that did it.
All the advice says that people are put off by failure. I'm already planning my second attempt. A bit of success would be nice, so if there's anyone who is able to point me in the right direction, it'd be good.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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I think it's pretty common for people to think their first time is the "one and only" shot they have in this hobby, only to get drawn in by the process of growing different kinds of mushrooms.

I can't really offer advise on your setup but I can say that it wouldn't hurt to get familiar with the site and read a few TEKS. That's how I learned years ago and I am back now looking for new approaches and information on new species and newly growable species.

PF TEK is a good way to start and leads to good results without too much investment. Read the Hitchhikers Guide that is widely linked on the site and good luck on your grow

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: wobblyboxes]
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Thanks for that mate. And that's exactly what I was thinking. I definitely should have started with this forum. There's a ton of great info. An I will get the hang of it. Thanks again, and I will certainly be back to show off my W's and asking for help with my L's.
But like I said earlier, having not grown a thing, it's been really good fun. I can only imagine the fun I might have if I actually managed to do it.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Is that a heat mat under the bag? Never used one myself but I've heard that they can cause problems. Better to heat to room instead if you can.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: The Ferryman] * 1
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There was a thread about this subject a couple of months ago. Click the link
I’d take the bag out of the box and ditch the heat mat. Growing APE in AIO bag

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: The Ferryman]
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Yeah that's a heat mat. After reading up on the optimal temps specifically for APE221, Which is supposedly 23 degrees c. Living in Northern England, even in the mild winter we're having now, I'd struggle to keep it at 23c and it would be prohibitively expensive. I will certainly think about losing the box. But I have decided to not touch it for a week or two. The instructions say to handle it as little as possible.
Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 3
    #29459619 -

Temperature is one of the last things to worry about. If you're comfortable wearing a tshirt, the mushrooms will grow fine. Anywhere above 18c is just fine.

The heating pad will dry out and kill the mycelium. This forum is full of posts doing just that.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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I don't claim to have a clue what I'm doing with the grow bags. I'm looking at it as a bit of fun, and despite all the promotional info from the various companies, that pitch it as almost fool proof. I understand now that I haven't given myself the very best opportunity for success as I could have. I'm certainly gonna give it a second go. I wanna go through the entire process for a better idea of the set up. I'll definitely get a strain designed for a fresher.
I do have years of experience with temperature and humidity control in my yard. I like how you put it. And I'm embarrassed to admit that it's rarely comfortable in just a T, due to the greed of the energy company's and the capture of a labour government by special interests. My house being 150 years old with the horse hair insulation of the 19th century to prove it. I'd need to blast my heating 24/7 to get it up to 20 plus Celsius. The instructions say 23 degrees is optimal, I thought it better to be over than under, my thinking being, it slows growth, giving the inevitable contaminates the time to overrun my precious fun guys.
It's difficult to be precise too, as I don't have a very practical thermometer
The instructions specifically say that it's best to get a heat mat in a northern European country in winter. They were selling heat mats though.
I genuinely appreciate your help and time. Thanks

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Generally, if you are forced to choose cooler is always better than warmer. The mycelium does grow faster at warmer temperatures  but so do contaminations. Things like bacteria explode at warmer temperatures.

If you want to stick with the mat, it would be best to find a way so that the bag isn't touching the mat. Direct heat always causes problems


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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That's exactly what I was reading up on right now. I so wish I would have come here first. Cos I'm not sure if I actually do need one as  much as I imagined. The majority of the advice is that it basically cooks it. There's a few alternatives to them. The instructions definitely say 23 degrees Celsius and the strain is a slow grower, so knowing that I struggle to keep my house warm in winter, I thought just get what it says you need. I'd probably be reading up on how to raise the temp right now. I certainly could keep my house in the 16 to 18 degrees c range, it's the cost I worry about. I tend to heat the room I'm in, so bed and living room, with a little leki heater. But I set up in the spare room, so I wasn't going in and out of the room. I need to do something about it, as it is too high right now by a few degrees.
I plan to raise it higher from the pad. It's sat on a couple of pencils now, in it's box. I've seen that raising it lowers the temperature, so that's what I'm gonna do, till I get it to 23 degrees c.
The cloud920 ape221 instructions do warn about the dangers of it drying out and saying keep an eye on it and if it looks like it's drying, mist the sides of the bag.
I'll post a few pics too.
Cheers

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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One thing I never anticipated when I began this project. Was how blasted brilliant it would be to join a forum, post on it and get some cool feedback from people who I'd never get chance to talk to in my regular world. The fact that it's a great help for me, makes me really glad I decided to go for it.
Having spent the last 2 years either foraging in the country or in the mean streets of Yorkshire with pretty poor results. I figured this can't be any harder, turns out it's way more fun too.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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So I get it's only day two, and it was foolish of me to get stuck into the truffles that came with my grow kit, on the day I was setting up the temperamental and tricky business of mycology. I'd been waiting impatiently for it to arrive in my defence.
Now I've managed to get the apparently optimum temperature for ape221, on the thermometer at least, I'm aware of the lack of precision on that. And the bag looks happy enough. I've taken it out of the box too.
I've decided to stick to my initial setup. Especially with it at the temp I wanted and seems to be stable. If I see any sign of it drying out, I'll be pro active.
No doubt you guys will have had enough of me prattling on so I'll thank you all for your patience and help, I hope I'm on here doing exactly the same in a few years.
Win lose or draw, I will give an update on a couple of weeks.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 2
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Take some decent closeup pictures of the bag from the front and the side. Take daily pictures from the same angle and distance to compare growth.
Do some reading while your bag incubates.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 4
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Mycelium is exothermic, which means it's probably a couple of degrees warmer inside the bag, If you can keep your room at about 20°C you're good and should ditch the heating mat.

Now you don't have to go anywhere, we love prattling around here, so if you want to just hang around we have a prattling thread where almost anything goes.

Another good thing to do here is reading the HHG, it's packed with great information :awesomenod:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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:whathesaid:

Welcome aboard! Glad that you decided to join us :cool::mushroom2: you are clever for already thinking about a second attempt. That's the right mentality. I feel like I'm always making grain spawn  :hehehe: I really hope the apes grow for ya though.

Temperature is no biggie. My grow space for cubes is 17.2c degrees right now, and was 12.3 last night. Still harvesting regularly no problem. They just grow more slowly. Ideal no, possible, absolutely.

Looking forward to seeing you and your grows around! Please keep us posted if you have anymore questions along the way:mushroom2:

Nah, your good dude, not rambling. we love noobs around here haha, they are widely celebrated and you are in good company:awesomenod:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 2
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Many start with an AIO bag and if lucky, find their way over here. If I had known then what I know now, I would have started with PF TEK.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: COgrower] * 2
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Well that's quite brilliant. I didn't consider that I'd be so warmly welcomed into a community. In my circle of friends, it's frowned on to even admit you have feelings, let alone wanting to explore them and your motivations. It was my wicked good mum who's a psychotherapist and started on this "journey" maybe 10 years ago. But I'm pretty much doing it alone. I've always fancied myself with a pen, so I didn't really give any thought about people actually reading it.
I'm gonna try keep it brief as to not waste anyone's time and I'll try keep my razor sharp wit to a minimum. I'm definitely gonna stick around and post regular updates. I like to think that I can do anything I put my mind and resources to, if it's possible, practical and worth it. I am already thinking about scaling up (which I shouldn't, since I'm far from growing anything. But I have the space for a few "monotubs" is it, or maybe a "Martha" tent. I do work and have other horticultural responsibilities. So I don't want to take on too much. It'd be nice to have a good little set up, ticking away in the background.
Thanks to everyone for being so kind.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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Hey there. I'm definitely new at this, but I was having the same issue that you're referring to. I live in a very old drafty house, so I decided to try some heat mats. As our friend above said, do not put them directly on the mats. I did this, and my jars went from feeling very cold, to very very warm. Like too warm. I used some metal grates that are for drying venison, put the jars on the drying grates, and I believe it has helped speed up my colonization. I'm a complete Noob, so time will tell. Good Luck!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: bodean74]
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I'm so bummed, I musta put a tenner in cleaning and anti bacteria product, gloves mask, i even took a bath before I opened the box.
My whole plan was to scrub the room and spot it was going, an in a haze of disinfectant, slick hand sanitizer get the temp to 23 degrees c and pretty much leave it B for a few weeks. I've been working on the principle that contamination is my main worry. Knowing my house and the instructions, I just bought the mat.
But if I asked you guys for advice and you're good enough to give it. I wanted to have a right good squizz at it, before just rolling forward with my obviously flawed plan. An I was shocked to see how quick I was to kill my poor fungus. It's notoriously slow, so I will assume I'm not growing that. There's definitely something happening. But it's not anything described in the instructions. I'm gonna take some close pics, which is why I was lamenting my pathetic attempts at not contaminating it. An no one is gonna believe this, but I have a colour deficiency, not colour blind, but I can struggle with some colours. It's never been more of a laugh in my family when I think my jumper is a colour it's not. It also stopped me from becoming an electrician about 10 years ago, which was a tough one to swallow. But it's disabling me again. Cos I am almost certain that the thing that's growing on the stuff it came with is golden. That's why I think it's just me an it's probably green or brown. I'm gonna switch off the mat, but if it's obviously not gonna work. I'd rather just start over.
Stand by for the pics.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 2
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You REALLY need to take a step back, then take a couple of days reading and digesting  The HitchHikers Guide Thoroughly.

Sterility is only a requirement when inoculating agar or grain/cakes. Sterility during these stages is of ABSOLUTE importance however. Mushrooms are the HARDEST EASY thing I ever grew. When I say that, I simply mean that they are quite simple to grow but they have a HUGE learning curve.

Once you have healthy mycellium on cakes or grain jars sterility no longer matters.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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The mat is off and my camera is crap sorry for the pic quality, I'll do more tomorrow







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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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I afta confess to reading the 2 lines in the blurb about 23c and northern European winter and right below was a heat mat for sale. I have been wanting one for another project, not enough to get one, cos it's just a time issue. But when I read that, I thought i was being clever.
Which has forced me to actually think about the problem. An the solution is pretty obvious. If my little leki heater makes a room comfy for me in a t shirt at an acceptable cost. It'll do the same for the shrooms. So starting tomorrow I will be heating the room to the right temperature. I'm thinking 20c ish.
I'm also starting to wonder if I shouldn't start picking the next one. Or few, as I wanna do maybe 3 bags, pre colonised for time, an a strain that's as indestructible as poss, but I really want em to be legit shrooms. The lad's think I'm crackers, but they're always raiding my stash, so I need to come correct.
I'm gonna start with this "hitchhikers guide" thing recommended and go from there.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Good call! You'll be growing shrooms like a beast in no time :rockon::mushroom2:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Sorry about your troubles.  Was your bag warm to the touch?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Agar Wedge said:
Good call! You'll be growing shrooms like a beast in no time :rockon::mushroom2:


:whathesaid:

And yes, wait for some daylight and take new pictures, the ones you uploaded ain't helping :rofl: With the heat mat gone, your bag will do it's thing and you should just chill as there isn't much to do at this stage. Just provide better pictures so we can have a look and as you said, read the HHG to make a plan for the next grow :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: wobblyboxes]
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Let me start by thanking you for putting me on to that Hitchhikers guide
I'm not sure if the actual practical advice is appropriate for me at the stage I'm at, and I'm not sure if I could achieve that kind of skill, dedication and financial commitment. But I certainly do wanna try grow at home, and you are bang right, it's the perfect place to start. Forget about cultivating mushrooms, it was a bloody good craic as entertainment. The "battlefield" analogy makes perfect sense to me and I am beginning to formulate my second, hopefully successful assault on the Everest that is mushroom cultivation.
I was sad to reach the end, and got stuck straight into the YouTube videos, but fell asleep on episode 3, I don't know if it's meant to be, but I found it bloody hilarious.
I'm very grateful for your help.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Hi guys
First let me start by bowing to your guys superior knowledge. The next time everyone is pretty much telling me the same thing, like "lose the heat mat" I won't be quoting the vendors instructions to you. I'll just go remove the heat mat. After reading the HHS, I feel a bit silly for thinking that I could do this with one shot, using the most difficult type, with zero knowledge and expect to produce something close to the pic on the box. I know how adverts work, "cloud920" aren't gonna say anything to put me off purchasing their products. I am not complaining about that bit, cos I'm pretty impressed with their stuff and unless you guys tell me different, I think I'm gonna stick with the company I stumbled upon. They seem to be pretty cool and willing to help. The problem, if there was one, was with me. Which is why I feel genuinely fortunate to have full on randomly found this perfect place for help, advice and hopefully a laugh. I've never joined a forum let alone post pics and essays.
I'm gonna do some more pics to show you guys.
I'm planning to order 3  more pre colonised grow bags. Should I get the same strain or 3 different. I think I should get "golden teacher" I just don't know if it's better to spread the risk by getting 2 other, supposedly easy strains?
Thanks guys

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
    #29460498 -

Early days mate. Keep reading and learning and you will get there in no time. Not many here will recommend the aio grow bag kits though, pf tek or agar is the way to go. pf tek can be done cheap with minimal gear. As far as which variety to choose, you can't go wrong with golden teacher or any of the classic cubensis varieties.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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Have you considered starting from agar?

Even if you want to be lazy you can buy the liquid culture, prepoured sterile agar plates, and an inflatable still air box on Amazon for cheap and do it the right way with minimal effort.

It's weird that you're asking for help choosing which button to press, when you have already skipped so much, but my advice is... Maybe get a variety so that way if you decide to store the genetics to grow in the future you have a few options to choose from.

I'm not sure how much a pre-colonized grow bag is going for nowadays but I wouldn't trust it man. Just spend the money on the right tools instead.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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There's no real risk in growing a bunch of "easy"strains. I've been a fan of the classic looking cubes since the beginning. I can assure you they will be plenty potent if that is your concern :shroomin:

Ferryman is on the money, and money relates as well! aio is fine for starting out. But they cost a lot more and are often associated with higher failure rates. It's the gamble of expecting somebody else to properly produce and sterilize your materials for you. Not saying aios can't work, they absolutely can. Just feel you should know that they often involve more heartache and money than PF Tek or agar to grain to bulk, especially in the long run.

But, hey, if you simply don't have the time, but do have the money, gotta start somewhere! Nothing wrong with that. Best of luck:cool::mushroom2:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Archespore]
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I totally agree with you, and in  most aspects of my life, I try stick to that (I haven't always, I've a long and storied history of fucking up) and it's not the hard work, it's an irony that as I near 50 and find my once straight jacked all action hard body is beginning to fail me, as I get to the age when I'm mature enough to get the maximum out of said hard body. I've learnt to enjoy the satisfaction of hard work done well. I'm sure it's within my budget too. As daunting as cultures, plates etc are, it's a lot for me to take on.
It's not an excuse, but take today, I was going to have a look at them for the first time today. My dad's neighbour rang to say my poor old Dah has been round again cos his electric is off. He's just gone 83 in Jan, he's running out of marbles fast, so I help as much as possible. I adta drop everything an go. I'm not complaining I wanna do it. I also work and I have another time consuming hobby, that I haven't yet mastered in 6 years.
My hopes were to do this easy or lazy option, actually grow shrooms and go from there.
I can only apologise for being weird, but I feel you, and I already fear I might be bitten by this "bug" I keep reading about.
Thanks for your message. Sorry if I'm lame and weird. I am genuinely like this. I'm just a bit more forward behind this keyboard. I'm glad I was tho. Cos it's been cool at doing this.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Don't be hard on yourself friend, we're glad you are here :hug: good on you for being there for your family. Do tell, what's your other hobby? Folks around here be doing all sorts of cool un shroom related stuff


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Guys I must bow to your superior knowledge. I've been living here over 20 years, I know this house. But you guys know mushrooms. I'm genuinely stunned, cos the heat mat was not only unnecessary, it's raas clart detrimental. The bag is generating plenty of heat all on its own. The room was never over 15/16c this time of year (the weather is crazy af mild and wet, a Yorkshire winter used to include 4ft of snow every year, when I were a lad), the heat mat had it at 27c. All I've done is turn the mat off last night. No heater or heating on. An you can see for yourself the temps.
I'm not daft enough to think it improves my chances, I guess the damage is done, but lesson learnt. An I was just looking at the 3 pre colonised grow bag deal they have. I'm thinking "Albino Golden Teacher", "Cascadian Teacher" and "Mac Galatic". 2 are down as beginners and all 3 are rated 5 star.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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As an experienced noob, if I were starting over knowing what I know now, I would go with PF TEK from the beginning, it has been the easiest and so far has been a success.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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It's more than just a hobby, it is often as good as a job, and I genuinely love doing it and still can't believe it. Apparently it's quite a common pathway to this, so I've been told. I don't wanna be disrespectful or precious about it, but it's more than just frowned upon where I live. I'm not scared enough to not write this, but I'd rather not say, until I'm more aware of the craic in here. Not that I imagine anyone would bother with me, I'm just a guy who has wasted his best years, no longer understands the world, and I don't think I even want to take part in the world they're presenting to me now.
And I wasn't complaining about the old man, as horrible as it is to watch. I wouldn't be writing this now if it didn't happen. I was a long term addict a total mess and 2 years ago this last October 14th I stopped, and looking after him was a big part of why it stuck this time. I never had any desire to take care of myself, but I'd worry that we'd not have veg for a while when it comes to my dad.
Probably just like all families, its complicated, cos he was a difficult father to have, let's say.
I'm not sure why I am boring everyone with it, but it is what it is.
Hence I wanna grow shrooms

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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You're not bothering anyone bud, most of us has some kind of baggage, like I said, head on over to the confessional booth, even if it's just to read, and get a feel of what some of us do in between the cultivation stuff  :awesomenod:

And nice work kicking the addiction, you rock brother :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: bodean74]
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I've ditched the mat completely. It seems perfectly happy without it. The temperature is definitely not at the 23°c the "optimal" temp in my instructions. But it didn't seem to be helping, I couldn't control the temperature and it seems to produce heat itself. I'm gonna keep an eye on it, and there's a flaw in my electric heater to get the entire room up to temp plan. It's a fan heater, so will blow air. Which I don't think is a good thing. So I'm gonna afta invest in a halogen heater, I think they're called. They're only 20 odd bar, but as I look today, in this mild wet, supposed winter. The bag is saying it's 20°c and it seems fine, so now I'm just gonna do the thing I knew I would be good at. Patience. I'm used to working in 4 weeks cycles too, so it's just a regular wednesday round here.
I'll keep you posted

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 4
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
I've ditched the mat completely. It seems perfectly happy without it. The temperature is definitely not at the 23°c the "optimal" temp in my instructions. But it didn't seem to be helping, I couldn't control the temperature and it seems to produce heat itself. I'm gonna keep an eye on it, and there's a flaw in my electric heater to get the entire room up to temp plan. It's a fan heater, so will blow air. Which I don't think is a good thing. So I'm gonna afta invest in a halogen heater, I think they're called. They're only 20 odd bar, but as I look today, in this mild wet, supposed winter. The bag is saying it's 20°c and it seems fine, so now I'm just gonna do the thing I knew I would be good at. Patience. I'm used to working in 4 weeks cycles too, so it's just a regular wednesday round here.
I'll keep you posted

Hey bro, I'm late to the welcome party but just wanted to say that you're on the right track.  As Kloakk said, head over to the confessional, introduce yourself, and get to know some people there.  This place is full of talented cultivators who are willing to help you without judgment.

I am super new to this also.  Don't let yourself be discouraged by "expense" or "skill level" when it comes to the Hitchhiker's Guide.  It is WAY easier and CHEAPER than you think, and starting with and getting successful germination on Agar is like a religious experience.  Totally worth the effort.

You got this!


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Nokumana]
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I am just gonna leave it B now. Unless I see something worth noting, if it's fun guys or mould, good luck to it, after 3 weeks I'll get it back down, when the instructions say, "ventilate if you see no pins", to show you guys it, as I wunt know a pin if it was sticking outta my finger.
I can struggle with the colours dark blue and purple. But I am sure I see a dull goldie colour. It doesn't look like it's cooking anymore. It's still a bag of dirt to my eye. Any thoughts?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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It's colonizing, just let it be, if all goes well the entire substrate should colonize in a couple of weeks or so. Don't open the bag without posting pictures here, mushrooms don't grow on a schedule and are ready for fruiting when everything is colonized :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Well you just made my day! I was just explaining to my friend that I didn't expect it to work. And fully expected you guys to tell me it's a busted flush. The fact it's not a complete failure feels like a bit of a win. Especially when I think that, had I not come on here chatting my jeggeries, it'd be sat on a heat mat at 27°c cooking away. I'm still in the game! Exciting much!
It's a complete fluke, so thanks guys.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Well you just made my day! I was just explaining to my friend that I didn't expect it to work. And fully expected you guys to tell me it's a busted flush. The fact it's not a complete failure feels like a bit of a win. Especially when I think that, had I not come on here chatting my jeggeries, it'd be sat on a heat mat at 27°c cooking away. I'm still in the game! Exciting much!
It's a complete fluke, so thanks guys.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Hi guys. As much as I have been trying to leave it alone, I thought I'd have a quick squizz before I turn it in. Obviously I don't know what to look for. I can't help thinking it doesn't look very happy, whereas the other day, it looked like an at least not unhappy bag of dirt. If anyone is out there wants to cast an eye over my pics. It'd be greatly appreciated. It's night time, but I've established, my tablet has a much better camera than my phone.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Don't see anything too concerning, but better pictures would help :awesomenod:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Not that it's particularly meaningful, other than for my own personal moral, my bag of dirt looks not so unhappy in daylight. I think I see at least some "white fluffy" bits in there. There's also dark stuff in there too, which is confusing, cos I'm not sure what's the substrate is it, I don't wanna call it dirt, and what is the contamination that I've been assuming is inevitable.
Hope these pictures are more useful.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Not done a lot of bags so hopefully others can weigh in, but it looks fine from here.

Just let it ride, usually the mean green appears soon enough if there is trouble in paradise :muppet:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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That's great news friend, it's been a tough day with the old man, spent most of it learning the hard way going shop to shop tryna find an old school landline phone for him. Which I couldn't. In store at least.
So the thought of it actually producing apes, even if it is unlikely, is exactly what I needed to hear
Cheers

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Hw guys.
If anyone has a minute to cast there eye over my bag. It's the most action I've seen yet. There's definitely something happening in there. Which I cannot believe.
Thanks


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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It's colonizing nicely!:mushroom2:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Excellent! not in my wildest dreams. It's brilliant.
They look pretty cool, weird AF! but cool
Thanks

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Hi guys. After a rough old weekend, which I only had chance to have a quick squizz at my bag when poss. Tho it didn't look bad, it didn't look good and not much changed today is the day the instructions say, open the bag to let air in. Which I just did after a good scrub down.
I took the opportunity to snap a few pics.
I'm gonna guess it's not good news. Even with my colour deficiency, the grey is clear to see now, and can't be good. Help!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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My golden teacher grow bag is in the country today, I'm tracking it closely. So if it's a lost cause, shouldn't I dash it an scrub down for my next swing?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't see anything funky growing. The picture is a little too blurry to see surface conditions, but it doesn't look like there are any beads of water on the surface of the substrate.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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That's great news, thank you very much, and I apologise for my crappy photos. To be fair it's the first time I've opened it since it came on the 19th, so it could have been that funky grey colour the whole time. Assuming it's actually grey, I'm not great on colours. But I'm a total novice. I've read an watched lots, they all say that apes take forever. I just don't wanna mash up my golden teachers, which is where I shudda started, but I'm happy to keep at it with these guys.
Cheers

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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I'm with puff, so far so good!:mushroom2:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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I thought I posted these a while ago. But I don't think I did.
Love any thoughts or advice, thanks

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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They're not great photos but it's night time here. It looks fine and it's be 2 days shy of 3 weeks. The bag looks pretty dry, should I open an spray it? You guys have been really helpful, I don't wanna annoy anyone, and I appreciate it. I'm not sure but I'm thinking dry ain't good.



My new golden teachers too.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I think I might give it a light spray of water
The bags had condensation on the inside throughout, since they've seemed to be doing pretty well, there's nothing I'd describe as a pin, but it's only 2 days short of 3 weeks, when the instructions say I should begin to open the bag and spray the sides, if no pins are visible.
I've been expecting slow progress, cos the room is a few degrees off the 23°c optimal temp.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Still looks fine from over here. You ain't annoying anyone bud, in fact, we are all about pictures of drugs being cultivated.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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So dya think just leave it B for now then? It's certainly not as much condensation as there was, but it's not actually dry.
I'm a bit worried cos I'm liable to be at my dad's for tea, which is regularly made by my mum, who also has my most favourite in the world, Gizmo, her dog. So I often don't get chance to have a squizz till late on, I work early too.
This is lame but I haven't touched em without having just got outta the bath, an disinfect everything. So it might be w days, can it dry out?
Also is that any drugs or just shrooms?
Your very kind, thank you

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
So dya think just leave it B for now then? It's certainly not as much condensation as there was, but it's not actually dry.
I'm a bit worried cos I'm liable to be at my dad's for tea, which is regularly made by my mum, who also has my most favourite in the world, Gizmo, her dog. So I often don't get chance to have a squizz till late on, I work early too.
This is lame but I haven't touched em without having just got outta the bath, an disinfect everything. So it might be w days, can it dry out?
Also is that any drugs or just shrooms?
Your very kind, thank you



That is a good looking dog for sure, and yes, just leave it for now. Nice of you to take care of your parents man.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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It's like walking round with a celebrity. He gets a smile from pretty much everyone.
We're cat people, me and my sisters thought my mum had lost her mind when she announced, "I'm getting a dog". I begged her not too, we had no idea what we were doing, he's a rescue dog and we got him by sheer luck, but from the moment we saw each other and he climbed in my coat scared, we've been tight AF, and I can't imagine life without him.
I adore Gizmo, my gushing is proof of that.
That's what I'll do then,
Thanks again and peace out!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
It's like walking round with a celebrity. He gets a smile from pretty much everyone.
We're cat people, me and my sisters thought my mum had lost her mind when she announced, "I'm getting a dog". I begged her not too, we had no idea what we were doing, he's a rescue dog and we got him by sheer luck, but from the moment we saw each other and he climbed in my coat scared, we've been tight AF, and I can't imagine life without him.
I adore Gizmo, my gushing is proof of that.
That's what I'll do then,
Thanks again and peace out!


Thanks for sharing bud, I am, without a doubt a cat person, but dogs have their charm for sure.. And anytime, I'm basically integrated with this community, almost a bot at this point, it's addictive you know.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Your too kind, and I don't wanna do my mum dirty. She is the one who looks after me, and even at 45 still does. She left my old man 35 years ago and they didn't speak until the last couple years, since he got dementia and needs looking after. I'd planned to share the dinners she often does, but wasn't surprised at her just starting to factor my dad in her cooking. Which she's really good at.
My dad does not deserve that, he was not a nice man. Families eh!
My sister's help out too, I don't wanna make out like I am a saint.
No one's perfect and you can't pick your family, but if they reckon they've got a decent son, it's cos they musta been decent parents.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Me too, I've had a cat since we left my dad's in 89. But living on my own, I had my first cat Lilly, who turned out to be a boy. According to the vet anyway, she lived happily as a girl tho. She died. But this lad walked in one sunny day with a awful collar about to choke him. Me and Lilly were blitzed ont sofa stoned, so she barely noticed, but I watched him slowly come further in, and then I jumped up, shut the door and told him not to worry, I'm just gonna save your life. Grabbed the scissors and a bit of tuna. He bolted out the minute that door opened. But he came back the next day. An never left.
I let my nephew name him. He decided on Sweets. But I'm pretty sure he just wanted some sweets. He was like 3. It stuck tho. So this is Sweets my only cat after poor Lilly went to cat heaven.
He fucking hates it when Gizmo comes to visit and he tries to batter him, Gizmo isn't very tough.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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That 3 weeks since I started this, has bloody flown by.
I've got to be up for work soon, I probably shouldn't be watching the superbowl. Especially without Pat or Lamar. My fave players.
How am I looking after 3 weeks exactly. I'm surprised it's still rolling, they've done great.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Are those pins I see there!? Wooot wooot :cool::mushroom2:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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It's always hard when they go, I had 6 cats at one point, every singel one of them got 18 years or older. Right now I don't have any cats, might get a cat again when the kids gets a little older.

Sweets is a beautiful cat, I laughed knowing he will make sure Gizmo knows who is the boss :lol:

And I agree with Agar Wedge, that might be pins in your bag, might see some fruits real soon there bud :rockon:



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Me too, I've had a cat since we left my dad's in 89. But living on my own, I had my first cat Lilly, who turned out to be a boy. According to the vet anyway, she lived happily as a girl tho. She died. But this lad walked in one sunny day with a awful collar about to choke him. Me and Lilly were blitzed ont sofa stoned, so she barely noticed, but I watched him slowly come further in, and then I jumped up, shut the door and told him not to worry, I'm just gonna save your life. Grabbed the scissors and a bit of tuna. He bolted out the minute that door opened. But he came back the next day. An never left.
I let my nephew name him. He decided on Sweets. But I'm pretty sure he just wanted some sweets. He was like 3. It stuck tho. So this is Sweets my only cat after poor Lilly went to cat heaven.
He fucking hates it when Gizmo comes to visit and he tries to batter him, Gizmo isn't very tough.



You have a beautiful boy...

Good on you for keeping close knit with the family through thick and thin my guy, there's wealth in different things don't you go listening to things like the news tell you otherwise!

The way animals wander into humans lives has something to it for sure my man. Sometimes with a "who rescued who?" realisation attached.

Noice pins! :strokebeard: try Nd keep that surface in mind when ya get home from work and before you can moan another month has passed - you'll be able to enjoy fresh mushies! (A delicacy in my book, as there's some other chemicals that are present fresh that vanish when dried - though they're still just as good crunchy!)

Your heart sounds tuned to listen for the positive frequencies, keep following it - you'll do great my friend. :greatjob:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: conz0r]
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When I saw your adorable cat happily chilling in a bag. It reminded me of my Lilly, and what makes cats so cool. I often tell this cat that he doesn't know he's born. This guy doesn't know about no human food in the kitchen, let alone cat food. It makes me feel terrible to afta admit I was a total mess for most of poor Lilly's life, we lived hard. My mum and neighbour kept us in cat food, I couldn't look after myself then. She got sick and somehow rough AF! I looked after her best I could. I woke up to a dead cat, it didn't look or feel like my cat, and I just wanted drugs, so I told myself she was gone and I put her body in a bin behind a takeaway. I have no clue what else I cudda done but I bitterly regret that.
This was Lilly as a kitten in 2012, doing her impression of a parrot, she'd just sit on my head or shoulder, top cat.
I've got lucky I had the best cat and I have the best dog.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Sorry to hear that about your Lily mate, that's a tough one for sure! The ups with that shit just isn't worth the downs my friend - I know.

Your life will always be infinitely fuller and meaningful without addictive substances in it. Plain and simple, don't forget it.

Go easy and be safe my friend :goodday:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: conz0r]
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I think this pic isn't gonna really help, but it's the best I can do at the mo.
I was so very excited to hear that it might be "pinning". I can't be that lucky, for my very first attempt at a tricky strain. I was telling the lads, I might have managed to produce something.
But a few days later, I have just got home and had a look. It seems to have stalled, it looks like it's the same as it was a few days ago, I expected to see something growing above the surface. Bummer!


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Don't give up just yet, take some better pictures, and don't worry about opening the bag to do it. A month for a bag isn't uncommon :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I was more aggressive thani have been, moving and handling it, I wanted some decent photos and I stuck my microscope in but it was too much of a faff to get a pic. I saw tiny little shiny balls, pretty cool to be fair.
From the outside, it looked like not much was happening, but it's been busy, it wasn't like that before.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Your still good, just do what you have been doing, should see pins any day now.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Aw! thanks so much for saying that. I get there's no guarantees from only pictures, but I can't tell you what a boost it is to get the thumbs up from someone who knows what they're doing. I'm still reluctant to get my hopes up, I'm just glad to be still in the game.
All I can do is my best. An I must admit, there's not many things over the years that I've genuinely tried my best, but when I do break it out, i rarely fall short.
I'm gonna enjoy my first beer in 2 weeks. My old dear was on my case for me getting on the beers mid week.
Brilliant!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Aw! thanks so much for saying that. I get there's no guarantees from only pictures, but I can't tell you what a boost it is to get the thumbs up from someone who knows what they're doing. I'm still reluctant to get my hopes up, I'm just glad to be still in the game.
All I can do is my best. An I must admit, there's not many things over the years that I've genuinely tried my best, but when I do break it out, i rarely fall short.
I'm gonna enjoy my first beer in 2 weeks. My old dear was on my case for me getting on the beers mid week.
Brilliant!


Part of the process, you need your hopes slammed, patience needs to kick in, then that evil grin followed by that smile.

If this was a challenge you made easy for you, congratulations! We'll see you progress fast and sort your problems quickly.

This is a fun game, mycelium works fast and keeps you busy, addicting hobby. My sincerest regards goes out to the colds ones sitting on the shelf at your beer store, they're screaming! :wink:

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Fun note, the lads and I tell our wives we're at the office. Checks out right!?


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Aw! thanks so much for saying that. I get there's no guarantees from only pictures, but I can't tell you what a boost it is to get the thumbs up from someone who knows what they're doing. I'm still reluctant to get my hopes up, I'm just glad to be still in the game.
All I can do is my best. An I must admit, there's not many things over the years that I've genuinely tried my best, but when I do break it out, i rarely fall short.
I'm gonna enjoy my first beer in 2 weeks. My old dear was on my case for me getting on the beers mid week.
Brilliant!


Part of the process, you need your hopes slammed, patience needs to kick in, then that evil grin followed by that smile.

If this was a challenge you made easy for you, congratulations! We'll see you progress fast and sort your problems quickly.

This is a fun game, mycelium works fast and keeps you busy, addicting hobby. My sincerest regards goes out to the colds ones sitting on the shelf at your beer store, they're screaming! :wink:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: FounderZ]
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Hi guys, hope everyone is well. I've been for curried meat with rice and peas, with the old man, my sister and niece. My mother is Pataan so I'm raised on a South Asian or basically a Pakistani curry. But my dad's from the Carribbean, so he's always done it. I pleaded with him to pass on his recipe, looking back he was way further on into dementia than we knew. Probably just naturally he'd compensate or you'd put it down to anything else. An by the time we're in the GP's and my poor dad is struggling with saying the months of a year in order. It was too late for recipes.
It's crazy, he can't remember breakfast, but he will tell you all about bringing his school books to England expecting to go school at 14, and the guy laughing as he was sent into a mill didn't stop working till Covid and he did well for himself.
Sorry for prattling on. It's cathartic.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Does anyone have a minute to have a squizz at my grow bags. I'm really hoping at least one is pinning, the 3 weeks old APES. But Google says the 2 weeks old Golden Teachers may be contaminated and it could possibly infect my precious APES.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Is this still looking ok, I really hope it's pinning. If you could have a quick squizz if poss, please an thanks

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Looks good to me :rockon::mushroom2: do my eyes decieve me, is that a pin in the top left!?:shocked::mushroom2:

Google doesn't know what it's talking about :rofl: I've had a nasty ass green tub in a room with 30 other healthy ones. They're fine. No cross contamination. If youd like to share a photo of the gt we'd be happy to take a look.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Agar Wedge said:
Looks good to me :rockon::mushroom2: do my eyes decieve me, is that a pin in the top left!?:shocked::mushroom2:

Google doesn't know what it's talking about :rofl: I've had a nasty ass green tub in a room with 30 other healthy ones. They're fine. No cross contamination. If youd like to share a photo of the gt we'd be happy to take a look.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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I've been trying to get a pic of my Golden Teachers but it's suddenly saying my pic is too large. Not sure why.

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You are the third person I've heard mention the file size issue in the last 48 hours. Wonder what's going on :strokebeard:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Nope. No more uploading pics. I tried reducing my file size, but I don't have a clue. It was straightforward up to now.
I'm worried about the new Golden Teachers, but I certainly have at least 2, 3 if i count the one tryna break outta the side, little what can only be described as white mushroom looking things. Maybe pins. Or can I celebrate a success of growing a mushroom, as tiny and useless to me regarding going to space, I still dig on it. It'd be ace if it's the start of a bag full. Fingers crossed.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Does anyone have a minute to have a squizz at my grow bags. I'm really hoping at least one is pinning, the 3 weeks old APES. But Google says the 2 weeks old Golden Teachers may be contaminated and it could possibly infect my precious APES.


Looks fine to me, some take longer than others. I got a tub of pe here on its 4th week now pushing out crazy pins finally

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Agar Wedge]
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Agar Wedge said:
Looks good to me :rockon::mushroom2: do my eyes decieve me, is that a pin in the top left!?:shocked::mushroom2:




I also see what looks like a Pin in the left corner
I would just be careful about how moist you get your pins once they all come In Ive had quite a few stop growing and that is what I personally believe was the cause

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Pickyourpoison33]
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Thanks for that advice, I'm not sure at all about what I should be doing for the best. The instructions are not great, especially if you don't know what you're looking at. It's a real bummer I can't post pics on here anymore, cos that was a brilliant resource. That picture is nearly a week old now.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I worked out the craic with the pics. Your limited to a weekly amount of file size. I s wish I wudda known that before I was posting crappy, multiples of the same thing, and I wunta bothered posting adorable pics of my mum's dog and my dead cat sat on my head. Never mind !
It's a pity as I woke up to a textbook earlier pin or actual mushroom, it looks exactly like the pics online. Now I just need a load to pop up. It's amazing how much feelings I had on seeing the tiny little guy, I think I actually greeted it warmly on seeing it. Elated saying, "hello there mate" or I mighta just swore. I'm not sure I was too excited. Wish I could show you guys.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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It's certainly a bloody mushroom. It looks very lonely in there, I do hope more pop up. It's also certainly getting bigger. It's truly awesome, so bummed I can't show it off. Not in my wildest dreams did I think the APE's would work. Hence I got the golden Teacher grow kit, and it's never looked as good as the first one. I'm worried it's gonna contaminate my little fun guy on his own in there.
I also wonder if eating him would do owt to me. Obviously i would never do such a thing.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Have you considered getting a supporter account :strokebeard:



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I'm not sure what that is, but it's a minor. I shudda looked more closely. I would have used my alloted file size more wisely. If it's a monthly subscription fee, I'll be honest as wonderful and super helpful everyone has been, and nice too. Honestly I haven't had one negative encounter. One of the best things about it, was the fact it was free. Compared to the vendor info, they're pretty much just adverts. That shockingly always seem to end in the need of this essential thing. I literally got a heat mat on the strength of a well written ad, I think it might have actually killed it had you guys not told me to get rid.
My bad

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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Spoke too soon. It's letting me. I'll get a couple pics. Yay!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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At last. That's my golden teacher kit. It's a few weeks behind my pinning APE's, I'm worried it's contaminated and will ruin my beautiful APE's.
What do you guys reckon, if you could be so kind to have a squizz?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
At last. That's my golden teacher kit. It's a few weeks behind my pinning APE's, I'm worried it's contaminated and will ruin my beautiful APE's.
What do you guys reckon, if you could be so kind to have a squizz?


Doesn't look contaminated, but not the best picture. Cross contamination is not something I would worry about.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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My pics are always crap, I'm not going to blame it on my camera. It might be cos I be flapping with the bag open and then grab my camera and snap a few pics as fast as poss and get it shut. Thanks tho, cos I'm super relieved it's not an obvious problem. I have a "colour deficiency"
So panic if I afta rely on my ability to see colours. I'm not colour blind. If you've ever heard of an "Ishihara test", you'll know. If not, it's pretty good to take the test. It's a big percentage of the male population who are effected, to different degrees. There's 12 "plates" 1 sample everyone can see, I got the other 11 wrong. Barring me from ever being a pilot, train driver and the reason I was sitting the test and it crushed me, it was 10 years later I cleaned up and thought, shit, I didn't take that disappointment very well.
Sorry I digress, check this out!


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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It's been my birthday this week. I hate getting old, so the less said about that the better.
It's the first chance I've had to get em down and have a squizz. It's Friday so I'm off for a chippy supper with the old man. If anyone has time to have a look at this, I'd really appreciate it. I've never not been worried about the golden Teacher grow kit, started on 04/02/26, and after the excitement of my first pint, it seems to have stalled.
It's difficult as the advice is contradictory, do I continue FAE and misting after pinning, if so how often and much. So I just try my best. Thanks


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Happy birthday man, how was it?

It's going somwhat slow with your grows, but they look fine. How does the weight of them feel, like do they feel light?


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Hi, i think i may have been replying wrong, at least the last few posts, my bad. My birthday wasn't as bad as i thought. Got my dad in a barbers chair, he doesn't wanna go, he's adamant he can do it. But the lads int local barbers really take care of him, cricket was on, Pakistan vs England, I must support England, as I shudda been a fast bowler for them and Yorkshire. But he is West indies and definitely not England. So he enjoyed getting stuck into me with them. We won tho, so whatevs!
I've never thought the Golden Teacher has ever looked particularly good. But the Ape's have definitely looked like I'd imagine a healthy bag would look, an with great advice from you guys, I've full on smashed it, but since that first one popping up an maybe a couple more there seems to have been a stall in progress.
I've been really unsure about FAE'ing it and misting it. The instructions say don't do either once I see pins, "in most cases", so I have been playing it by ear. If it looks dry, mist, an I am FAE every day, but not religiously. I hoped to see an explosion of fun guys.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Well it seems pretty obvious that, starting to FAE, at least once a day, misting if it looks particularly dry, has kick started my APE's back into life. There's been more action these last couple days, than the past week.
It's only thru the bag, but I hope it shows the point. They seem to favour the sides. An the biggest one is a bit freaky looking, but that's been said about me too. So it's all good with me. All fun guys welcome.
Still not much happening with the Golden Teachers. The APE's make up for that tho. I literally can't wait to see em every day, see how much they have grown. It's so exciting.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I think I've been replying to myself this whole time.
Everyone has been so helpful, I felt a bit cheeky to be demanding an answer, so I just left it, the second time i thought, for the exact same reason, everyone being so helpful, something isn't right.
If I'm wrong an you guys are tired of me droning on, if not, I've done nothing different while posting so I don't know what happened.
But if poss could anyone cast their eye over my pics please?



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: FounderZ]
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Any chance you could have a look at this please, let me know if you see anything obvious I'm doing wrong. Or if it's contaminated or something else that is fatal to the project, please


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Bag looks fine, not sure what's going on with the box, does it look dry?


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I'm really sorry for my late reply, I've been mad busy. So I've had to move them to a different room, for unrelated reasons. But I had actually moved them down from the high shelf I'd had them on. I also started to FAE twice daily and reduced my misting. I took out the 2 that were growing in the APE bag cos they were over a week old and I hoped they might do me something, I'm pretty sure they did.
Anyway I think it's helped, I hope the golden Teacher has woke up. Now I'm fretting about the fact there's only one seems to grow in what seems a perfectly happy bag.
I've been living with em for a while now so I think I can get an idea of what they reckon. There's also no real smell, certainly not a bad one.
Any ideas, please and thank you



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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It's day 50 for the ape and day 34 for the golden teacher. If that's relevant

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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It's great news, I'm 2 for 2 on my first attempt at growing mushrooms at home. I can't blasted believe it.
There's a definite one in the corner of my Golden Teacher kit, which I've never liked the look of. The sides are lovely and white, totally covered, but the top isn't. But today I noticed it, the Ape has more than one, but the other ones are tiny.
I seem to only be able to get 1 mushroom at a time. How can make the whole bag grow, like in the pictures.
Any idea, and thank you so very much for all your help. There's no way I cudda managed it without your help, you've genuinely been awesome and I really appreciate it.




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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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:awedance:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: FounderZ]
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Would you be so kind as to have a squizz at my 2 grow bags please. I'm overjoyed to be 2 for 2 on my very first attempt at growing mushrooms. I'm happy to admit it was totally impossible without all the help and kindness shown me on this Shroomery forum, it's genuinely been a real value add that I wasn't even aware was a thing.
I'm hoping a harvest will eventually bump it down to second place. But until it has, joining this community is by far the best thing about this entire project. I doubt I'd still be in the game, if only because of the time it's taken to reach this point.
How can I encourage the whole bag to grow?
The APE's are on 53 days, and the golden teacher is day 37. It's on me for the snail like progress. Cheers




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There so few an far between an the 2 biggest must be over a week old, and I've been patiently waiting for ages. I am considering getting them all out, starting the second flush. An keeping my fingers crossed they work. With it being Friday night an all. It'd be rude not to. No?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Friday night :confused2:

But sure you could do that, it's hard to tell how big they are just by picture though. How will you prepare for a second flush?


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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It has been a bit tough for you but good to see growth. I appreciate your thread and all who are adding advice as I'm about to try my first grow.You have helped me through your post.Thanks for that.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: DaBelly] * 1
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Wow! You've full on made my day. It's brilliant to imagine my drivvle actually helping someone. That's brilliant cos I've received so much help from everyone on here. I doubt i can offer any assistance on the grow. But I'm overjoyed to be of assistance in any way I can be.
By the way, my 22g of fresh Albino Penis Envy and Golden Teachers, we're bloody awesome. Everything i hoped for and more. I can't wait for the second flush.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Happy to hear it bud

:trippinbawelz:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Hella... Get the next ones going...


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: DV8DUG]
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DV8DUG said:
Hella... Get the next ones going...


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I'm already on it. Neither of them look any worse for me troubling them. In fact the APE's seems to be producing more pins. The one that is in the golden teacher bag is growing insanely fast but it looks like they can only grow around the sides, any idea how I can encourage growth across the whole substrate?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Well, since you got pins you can either just let it ride or you can pick the pins, dunk the cakes and apply 1-2cm of coir.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I'm embarrassed to say, I don't have a clue what "coir" is. I've heard mention of it plenty, in my research, but as it's not mentioned in either instructions, I didn't bother looking into it. I'm about to Google it now tho. You won't afta tell me twice. One of the most surprising things is how wrong the actual instructions that come with it are.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, I am super happy with my purchase, and if needed I'll be getting some more, and I'll use the same people, they were really good. It's Amsterdam, and they were very Dutch and eager to help. I suppose it's general information for as many people in different places as possible. To be fair.
Apparently I should get 3/4 flushes, so I'm hoping for that, but I'm definitely going to carry on with my shroom tek, so I'll be looking for the best way to do it. Preferably a cheaper way than having to get a new bag every time.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I'll get some coir tomorrow, should I get any particular kind?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
I'll get some coir tomorrow, should I get any particular kind?


What are your options? Most coir is fine, but I have gotten some really bad coir when I bought a 5kg brick, a lot fibers.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I feel a bit silly cos I have been using it for many years, but have just known it as coco and I use it as soil. I have got plenty of this cana Coco. This specific type. I don't think it says coir on the packaging. But I was surprised when Google offered it up when I asked where to buy coir.
Will this be suitable, and if it is, what do I do with it, to begin what will be my second flush. The substrate in the golden Teacher looks dry and it's coming away from the side. I have found all the missing mushrooms. I was only seeing one, but I noticed a few growing within the substrate in the tub. What do I do with them, it's gonna mean breaking up the base. I'll post a pic but it's difficult to see under the bag, the water and the tub.




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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Yeah coco plus should do the trick.

When I set up for a second flush I like to rinse the cake and submerge it in water over night. Since you have a bag and tray I would try to use the coir in such a way that the tray is full, like all around and on top of the cake, same for the bag, but with the bag just add enough coir so it levels out about 1 cm above the cake. Put them back in the bags, mist the surface and LITFA :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Ok, so after cleaning everything I will lift out the cake with a gloved hand, pull off all the shrooms, put it back in it's now clean tub, fil in any gaps and cover the top with a centimetre of Coco/coir. Then set up as was?
Just one thing I ain't sure of, won't the soil be riddled with contaminates?
It's just a bag of soil for growing dooe

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Ok, so after cleaning everything I will lift out the cake with a gloved hand, pull off all the shrooms, put it back in it's now clean tub, fil in any gaps and cover the top with a centimetre of Coco/coir. Then set up as was?
Just one thing I ain't sure of, won't the soil be riddled with contaminates?
It's just a bag of soil for growing dooe


I usually just rinse my cakes(in the shower with 15-20°C water) in the tray or tubs until no more substrate  is coming off. Then I plase a same sizes tub on top of the cake, weigh it down and let it soak over night, like this:



Canna Coco plus is just buffered coconut coir, not even close to soil, but yes it will be full of spores of other fungi, molds and whatnot, that doesn't matter, because so is the air in and outside the bags. Your cakes are fully colonized and any contaminates to take hold at this point is very rare and I wouldn't worry about it at all.


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It's already sat in the bath soaking, I didn't know about putting sumert on top. I should probably say something, I am a proud Yorkshire man and I love words, but I imagine if you are not from North of the M25, you probably think I can't spell.
This is my first official harvest of Golden Teacher mushrooms. It's crazy cos the more I learnt, the less I thought I stood a chance. I never liked the look of this one too. But I am fully over the moon with it.
I remember someone saying they already knew I'd catch the "bug". They were bang right, getting the chance to kiss the sky is just a bonus of my new hobby. Probably cos they grow so quickly and look mad, you get really invested in em. Till it's time to nyam them.
Thank you for all the help, you know your shit, no doubt!
Smashed it!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Yo can allus tell a Yorkshireman, but yo can't tell him mich.
Welcome.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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All set for my second flush

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
All set for my second flush



:awedance:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Yo, I know I've said it before and you don't need me to tell you, you know your shit. But it's not often I'm genuinely impressed and well jell about next man's superior knowledge. Most of the time, it's just a question of me needing to study up, as I consider myself smarter than your average bear. But I doubt I would have your kinda knowledge had I studied mycology at Oxbridge and got a first.
You know better than the damn people I got it off. They reckon to not expect a second flush within a week and make no mention of a coir casing layer. I followed your advice and I have pins on day 2 of second flush and they're slap bang int middle of the tub. Excuse my language but  boo-fucking-yah! You da man!
If I could, I'd buy you a pint brother. I can't thank you enough. I was warned to not let inevitable failure put me off. Whoever told me that, obviously didn't know I had your advising me. Failure, what failure! Ha!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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:highfive:

Thanks bud, I'm happy to hear it worked out, and I'm just passing on what I learned here, so I'm as grateful for this place and some of it's members as you are :hatsoff:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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So this is where I'm at. The golden teacher is now my favourite. It's so very robust and easily pleased. Whereas my APE's are living up to their rep. For being tardy and temperamental. The close up of the bag are the same bag at exactly the same time, but from the other side. According to AI, one is probably contaminated and the other is perfectly healthy with a "nice fluffy white covering of", the right kinda stuff. I can't remember how she described it.
The weather has been absolutely crazy today so it's probably just the light. If it is a lost cause, I'm definitely gonna do another Ape, they're significantly stronger than the other stuff I've tried shroom wise. An I need to grow enough for the lads to experience it too. It's been a total success so I'm easy about this second flush, owt from now is just gravy.





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I wasted half my very first harvest, cos I couldn't see past growing mushrooms. Lesson learnt, I've got a food dehydrator in the post. I'm already looking at my next one, I'm not a complete beginner anymore. There's a number of things I want to do differently

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I'm glad to hear you're planning the next project, what are you going to do differently? Looks like the second flush in coming in nicely :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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First it's just gonna help that I know what to expect. But it'll probably sound like real basic stuff. But I am a complete beginner, I've been winging it, and as soon as I got with the program. I pretty much just did what you told me to do. So obviously I'll be doing that again, but also I had it in the wrong place for 2 weeks, I don't think my FAE was on point and I was misting far too much. I'm going to have the patient to see it right thru to the end too. My first flush was way off being ready, but boy did they work.
I'm thinking about doing maybe 2 more pre inoculated kits. Before looking into becoming self sufficient and using a box. I'd also like to set up a "Martha tent". If they're all they're cracked up to be. Basically a self contained mushroom house. It'd be perfect for me. Especially if I can introduce them to my other grow project. Apparently they compliment each other. Which blew my mind when I learnt that, as it seems destined.

That's the plan anyway. Right now I'm just concentrating on the second flush of my golden teachers.
For the record I'm just keeping my fingers crossed for my APE'S. Hoping they're just living up to their slow rep. I don't wanna give up on em, as they might be slow, but it's worth the bloody wait, no doubt.
I'll do a pic.
Ps sorry for the essay, it's been a while since I've had time to bore you guys with my jeggeries.
Your patience is appreciated.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Sounds like a solid plan, only thing that comes to mind is the Martha, unless you're getting into exotic species a Martha just complicate things a lot. For cubes shoeboxes and tubs is the best and easiest way to success.

And even if you want to venture into exotics, I believe the JCM and dreamer tub is a better option anyway, but that is just my opinion.

And I can't speak for others, but I am not bored with your posts, I enjoy reading a noobs journey into this addiction that is mushroom cultivation.

I understand your APE hunger, they are great :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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No, no, it's literally just something I heard online, saw a pretty cool video of some lad using one. An the appeal was strictly about the apparent convenience, straightforward way it looked, and the way it seemed to make the best use of the little space I have. I've no problem ditching that idea, I'm just blue sky thinking, is it they say. An before every decision, I'll do my reading. One of the best things I found was being reminded how much I love to learn and study. I might look like a rude boy, but I'm a bit of a nerd really. So I've made no solid plans yet, except wanting to keep doing it.
Also your words enough for me brother, I'd love to believe I won't always be bowing to your superior knowledge. But having just turned 46 (god! That's a right kick into teeth, I'm far too vain to be getting old and soft, I like being hard bodied and all action), I straight haven't got enough years left to catch you up bruv!
Another thing you put me right on, which I know for next time, was ditch the heat mat.
I dare not hope I might still be able to call on your help going into the future. But I do.
Thanks for being so nice and welcoming.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Forgot to post this. My poor old (they're about 2 weeks older than the golden teacher, which is going great guns. I really hope it's just a bit slow. Because I really liked them, they were even better than I hoped. But I don't think I'd get it again, or I wouldn't wanna get the kit. Maybe if I ever step it up to the next level. But I reckon the money it costs for me it's better to play it safe and get a more manageable strain. My dehydrator arrives Monday so I've been looking into the other part of this project.
Is it correct that you should wait 2 weeks to go on a trip, cos a tolerance is built up? Or did I just do it wrong.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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There is nothing wrong with a Martha and you can surely grow cubes in them, but in my opinion it's much harder to dial them in, cost more and not necessary for cubes at all.

No need to bow to me brother, I've barely been at this hobby for one and a half year and there's always a bigger fish, I'm just trying to help in any way I can to get you up and running because that is what others did for me and I really like this hobby and it has helped my mental health a lot, mostly growing them, but also being able to have these inward journeys from time to time.

And you are only 4 years older then me so we're in the same boat going the same way, but you're a couple of rows further up :lol:

And you won't need my or others help if you keep at it, at some point the fine tuning comes from experience cultivating in your home environment and unless your neighbor is on here only you can do that, and even if I step away there will be plenty of skilled cultivators to help out. And I am in many ways a noob myself, there are far more skilled cultivators then me :awesomenod:

I am glad you feel like I helped though and it feels great knowing you feel welcome, that matters a lot, so thanks for the kind words :hug:

Ape, hasn't been harder for me to grow, they're a little slower and don't push out canopies for me yet, but they pack a solid punch and the trip has been awesome for me. If you plan on doing this hobby you'll have more then enough for you and your friends in no time anyway. And your bag is still going I see, nice.

You shouldn't have any tolerance after 2 weeks, not even after 1 week in my opinion.

So if you're not going for another APE kit, any thoughts about moving on to agar and maybe do your own grain jars eventually?


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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Sorry for being so lame. An I wanna say bow is just me trying to be clever. But I've been trying to get physcadelics for 2 years now and I had almost given up. I'm not even sure what made me think I could do such a thing. I have a wonderful dog Gizmo, so it weren't a chore, but I spent the entire mushroom season, in prime liberty cap country. Walking a dog in fields and woods. I found 1 definite library cap, and I mean 1, it had a deformed looking one next to it, but there it stood proud AF, taunting me. While my mum wondered round with Gizmo finding them all over. She's the one who started me on this journey. It was awesome to see her change for the better. She did share, but it was just enough to make me want mushrooms. Then my cousin's weirdo mate made some DMT, then shit got real, too real for me, I don't think I'm ready. But it's fucking legit. An I find mushrooms to be a bit of fun without having to ask yourself if you are actually talking to, god isn't right but whatevs!
So if you wudda told me, there's a guy gonna help you, for no money, without any kinda judgement and regular shit. I'd have said your mad, but I wudda been on my knees if you mentioned access to my own physcadelics.
You wudda had no chance if you tried to tell me that you were gonna teach me all about my new hobby. I'd have been scared.
So you're doing yourself dirty mate. If I get what I want., you will have helped change my life bre.
I grant you I'm just a bum from Yorkshire. But it beats a kick into teeth. An there's a lot of that going around at the moment.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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That is one hell of a post man, words seems excess here, so I hope a tune will fill in where I lack the words.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Ha! Absolutely brilliant thanks.
I'm not gonna apologise cos I stand by every word. I cudda probably done it in less, and your humility is a credit to you.
I'll not fan boy out like that again, I do play it cool in all situations usually. But anonymity is quite freeing. I think I have also said that I absolutely love words and always have. So I will apologise for my flowery language.
But I didn't want to let it slide, cos you went above and beyond and, at least in my experience that's pretty rare. So please take your props, and my gratitude. I know I ain't the only one who thinks your cool AF!
I also think I am too, so I'm not sure how much stock you should put in my humble opinion. Joke.
Thanks again friend

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Hey noob here! Check my page out if your interested in following along!!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Ha! Absolutely brilliant thanks.
I'm not gonna apologise cos I stand by every word. I cudda probably done it in less, and your humility is a credit to you.
I'll not fan boy out like that again, I do play it cool in all situations usually. But anonymity is quite freeing. I think I have also said that I absolutely love words and always have. So I will apologise for my flowery language.
But I didn't want to let it slide, cos you went above and beyond and, at least in my experience that's pretty rare. So please take your props, and my gratitude. I know I ain't the only one who thinks your cool AF!
I also think I am too, so I'm not sure how much stock you should put in my humble opinion. Joke.
Thanks again friend


No need to apologize bud, I love me some flowery language and thank you for the kind words. I'm just happy to help :hatsoff:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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I'm sorry guys but I am gonna afta use some bad language in order to fully express my feelings. I genuinely don't know what else to say.



Other than, Raas fucking clart! Man's smashed it to fucking bits!

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Awfullotofshrooms] * 2
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I'm in a rush but I just wanna show everyone the results of all my weeks of hard work. I don't think it could have gone any better

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Congratulations! Must feel so good to have them in the jar. Have a great trip!:mushroom2:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: DaBelly]
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I've been busy today. I am genuinely stunned by how well they've turned out. They look bloody legit. Orange and blackcurrant golden teacher gummies. I can't say that I know what I am doing with dried shrooms or even confectionary. I am pretty ruthless in the kitchen but I buy my puddings, and I do enjoy a good desert. I've only just started baking since I mastered making canabutter and oil. So I know my way around a kitchen. But I've thought of this as a recce. But check me out.


I've just been telling the lads that they look spot on its just a matter of if they work.
Well they certainly do, now I shall learn how much they work. It's chocolate next

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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:nice:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Niiiiiice. Enjoy the fruits of your labor friend

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Awfullotofshrooms] * 1
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I feel like I haven't been on in ages, so here's an update.
I've been really busy with work, I think we might have a blasted diesel shortage. Which is almost unthinkable, but it's looking like it. I've also been on with my other project, which is going great guns.
So it'll be the third flush for my golden teachers and the second flush for my APE'S, the fact they're still rolling, slow or not, is awesome.
The gummies went down ok. Some said they could be stronger, but they certainly work. It's my first attempt too, so the fact they're all gone, is a success.




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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel] * 1
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If the ape looks a bit weird, It's cos I flipped the cake, there was no pins on top, so without opening it, I carefully flipped it. They looked better for it within an hour. So I think it's worked

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Got a great haul from my Albino Penis Envy, they live. An the golden teachers, totally ignored the coir casing I put on top, and they burst from the sides. Other than them looking a bit funky, I am just happy to see them. I foolishly didn't check my weight pics, so only realised how the weight wasn't visible as they began drying. So thos is a rough estimate.
APE'S - 85g fresh
Golden teacher - 75g fresh.
Happy days!


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Got a great haul from my Albino Penis Envy, they live. An the golden teachers, totally ignored the coir casing I put on top, and they burst from the sides. Other than them looking a bit funky, I am just happy to see them. I foolishly didn't check my weight pics, so only realised how the weight wasn't visible as they began drying. So thos is a rough estimate.
APE'S - 85g fresh
Golden teacher - 75g fresh.
Happy days!




:snoopyes:

Happy to see they keep pushing out fruits for you, they must like you man :awesomenod: You thinking about starting any more project? It's going to feel pretty lonely when they exhausts if you don't have anything else going, guess how I know :lol:

Great work bud :rockon:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Yeah I've been thinking just that. From here on in, anything I get from these 2 is a bonus. They've been a unmitigated success. I honestly can't believe my luck, I was prepping myself for the prospect of dealing with the disappointment of failing. But I'm 2 for 2.
I have no intention of stopping, I'm gonna get another 2 kits. But as they doing their thing, I'm gonna look into to the most cost effective way to have a self sustaining mushroom farm. I imagine I will need to get to grips with spores, cultures, plates and tubs. Tho daunting, I'm looking forward to it, I'm a good study and I love getting stuck into a project.
Doing this has also helped me with my other project, it gave me the incentive to do it properly and put the work in, and just like the shroom tek, I can clearly see a massive improvement.
So this whole thing has been a massive plus for me, above and beyond the tripping balls thing. It might actually be making me better, not just better at mycology, but all round better.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
I've been busy today. I am genuinely stunned by how well they've turned out. They look bloody legit. Orange and blackcurrant golden teacher gummies. I can't say that I know what I am doing with dried shrooms or even confectionary. I am pretty ruthless in the kitchen but I buy my puddings, and I do enjoy a good desert. I've only just started baking since I mastered making canabutter and oil. So I know my way around a kitchen. But I've thought of this as a recce. But check me out.


I've just been telling the lads that they look spot on its just a matter of if they work.
Well they certainly do, now I shall learn how much they work. It's chocolate next



Those gummies look so good, it makes me really wanna try making a batch

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: AntaresWeevil] * 1
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Go for it, but if you wanna know what I found. The process was sound and went well. I'm not totally sure if I got the dose right. I was going for, a unmistakable buzz, you defo won't be asking if it's working. But not a full on trip. Unless you wanna take 3/4, but I know they worked, and my mates are hardcore, but I afta admit I was disappointed with the buzz. But more importantly as that is a matter of how much dried mushrooms I use. The main problem was that they didn't keep well and they were not looking like that the next day. I couldn't stop them going wet, even slimy.
I'm doing chocolate next. 100g and 14g of dried mix of APE's and golden teacher. I wanna add almond too.
Hopefully it's a better keeper and better hit. I'll let you know.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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So I've done a batch of chocolates and I didn't want to make the same mistake as I did with the gummies, so I made 120g of milk chocolate, chopped almonds and 12g of golden teacher and Albino penis envy dried and ground. Not only are they fully bloody lovely, having had half of one, I write this now, in a lovely state, slightly dazed, somewhat confused, but I'm not ever far from a beaming smile. But also the same old doubts of, who you kidding Juz, you a loser and always will be, standard!
I'm not saying that is right and even if it is, I will be a hard bodied, debonair, razor sharp witted, devastatingly handsome. I can't even pretend I'm a young man anymore. Ha! Ain't time a bitch, the older you get the more you realise how much you didn't know.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Hi there, I didn't want to be banging on with it not having to do with shroom tek. So I've waited till I was ready to begin my second project.
I'm waiting on an inflatable monotub and CVG substrate mix, to hopefully be coloniesed by a B+ pre coloniesed grow bag. As the main project.
As well as a McKenaii all in one grow bag, to hopefully set fruiting right away.
I should have it all by weekend. I'd love to start a new thread for my next adventure. If poss. I could just pick up where I left off. And I wanna be sure all the same guys got to see them, cos you guys were great.
From my APE's I got 3 flushes, my golden teachers 4.





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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Hi Juzi :wave:

Happy to see you man, it's been a minute. I guess you already have the inflatable tub on the way, but just wanted to say that any storage tote can be used :rockon:

And sure make a new thread or just keep this one going, your call brother. Happy to see you back here and I'll be looking for your next projects :awesomenod:

:camping:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Hi, Kloaak, it great to hear from you again. I hope you and yours are well.
I can't honestly say I always manage it. But not known for my optimism and sunny disposition. I try see ever day outta the gutter a win. But 2 an a bit years straight, it's easy to forget how shit my life was, and I can easily start feeling sorry for myself. But I'm fit, healthy and excited for my new project, the sun's shining and I do genuinely feel like I'm winning today.
Regarding the monotub. Taking all things into consideration, space, the maths around quantity, size, etc, speed and cost. I'm thinking this might be my best way to get bigger rolling flushes, for hopefully the cost of one kit a pop, until I get into spores, agar and petree dishes. I'm sure it makes you experienced guys whince. Fingers crossed

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Sorry after a reread I wanna be clear I'm crossing my fingers in hopes it'll work. Not in hope of making anyone whince. To be clear, ha! Sorry

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I'm pretty good man, there's always something around the corner to drag me down, but that's part of the human experience I guess :rockon:

Anyway, if you got the money and don't want to commit to agar and a pressure canner just yet the kits are fine, a bit of a gamble as you know, but this is your journey man and I'm just here in the background watching is all.

:sneakypeek:

What's the plan for this next project? Like, will you use the tub to fruit the kits and after first flush use the CVG mix 👀


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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I'm all set up. I absolutely scrubbed my bathroom to bits. With standard horrible Proctor and Gamble poison, sorry products. Before breaking out the 70% ISO, with the bathroom door shut i took time to unbox, in a haze of isopropyl alcohol. Wiping as i went, mixed in the lasagne method, roughly and a layer of CVG, to cover it. Picked a nice dark spot for it and I'll have a squizz in 10 days. That's the monotub Plan B.the McKennaii all in one, was supposed to be the easy one, having successfully done it twice before. To my shame, I've been becoming more brainwashed by bloody Google AI, an I just complied with her even though I knew she was wrong.
Hopefully it's a minor. It meant I adta open it twice. I already know it's not infallible to say the least, outright sinister if I'm honest
It made me smile tho, cos at the very beginning I asked about asking AI for help, absolutely everyone said, "Noooo!, don't do it, AI is shit!".
Sorry for the essay





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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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In my defence, I try to break "the Man's" programming, but in my world it's virtually impossible to live without at least some screen time.
My mate suggested it to me for a specific task. Pointing my house exterior, it was brilliant, which led to the skimming of the inside wall too. Then I got info on my old man's Tag watch he got from 40 years service at work. It broke but cost 4k new. God knows now. Just today she told me exactly how to sync my mum's phone to her new car, so she has all the stuff on it, which she certainly wunt have managed, i doubt i would.
Point is, Google AI, is bad news, and I think it's making me use my own, pretty good brain less effective, an I imagine easily following the heard to our doom! Which is what seems to be the crac with all this AI malarkey.
I might be too far down the rabbit hole, an I am stoned an tired. But it's bad news, but when you need to know how to replace a rear break light on a 2012 Ford Tranny, or where's the SD card slot on a Ford fiesta Eco Drive, cos your mum's fancy new car's doing her head in. What ya gonna do?
I'm pretty sure it's making me dumber tho.

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Re: tryna get my old thread going again, in hope of guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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I've been patiently waiting since the 6th to peek inside my monotub. An to my delight, this is what I found.
Am I ready to begin daily FAE? My McKennaii grow kit is already on its second flush.




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Re: tryna get my old thread going again, in hope of guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Yes, most of us do FAE right from spawning, I do restrict it a little the first two weeks so I don't lose to much water, but still giving it enough FAE to breath properly.

Good to see you bud :hatsoff:


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Re: tryna get my old thread going again, in hope of guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Saw my first pins on my B+ Monotub. I am so blasted happy. I really dedicated myself to this monotub. As fun as the bags were, they're a dead end, an not financially sustainable. Where as this monotub, if it's able to cover the entire thing in pins, gives me options. An hopefully plenty of mushrooms.
To be honest I'm still amazed I've managed to pull it off. It's a very rewarding hobby. I feel if you come correct with these fun guys, they'll do you right in turn.
We might be building a symbiotic relationship, having! Just like they do in the wild.






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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Not in my wildest dreams did I imagine it would be this good. The separate McKennaii bag is a bit of a let down, with 2 really small flushes, due to it only side pinning. But my B+ Monotub is the star of the show. It's awesome to watch.



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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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:hewut:

That's what's up man, looks like it's going to be a stellar flush.
:vibin:


I'm glad I got to be a part of your mush journey bud :hug:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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It's been a good flush and I made some wicked cool edibles from my harvest. They're great.
Unfortunately my McKennaii kit was struck by my first dose of contamination. By all accounts, it's standard procedure, and you ain't a proper mycologist till you've had a dose of Trichoderma. Still cudda bloody cried tho.







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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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I accidently posted the tick box calendar. Please disregard, my bad. That's not mycology. Sorry, I really should be more careful with what I share. I think I'll be ok with you guys.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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:nice:

Looks good man, a little green will show up from time to time, nothing to do then get started on new projects :rockon:

Oh and you can always edit your post and just delete the picture if you want :awesomenod:


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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I've just been looking back at my last post. It seems ages ago.
I've established the edibles from my B+ haul are very strong. They didn't last long, everyone loves em.
The third flush in my monotub is coming along nicely, I didn't do a dunk for the second, but it looked dry after that. So having moved the whole setup to another room and scrubbing everything. I had my fingers crossed against cross contam from my old McKennaii kit which was disposed of as soon as I realised. Thankfully, all seems well, so onwards.
I stepped up for a bigger harvest and i never dreamt I'd have more than I knew what to do with. I will soon tho, so they're going in kilner jars for now.
I've been thinking if I dare do Albino Penis Envy next. I know it's troublesome, I've successfully done a bag, an if times my only beef, I've got jars full, so I can wait. But it feels a bit risky. Maybe play it safe. Get a bag instead? Stick to easy robust strains int monotub.

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Hi there. This is terrible but I don't think I know how to properly use this forum. I'm not sure if I am posting to everyone, just those who have seen my thread or if I've just been stalking Mr Kloakk, who never the less, has been amazingly helpful.
I'm trying to get some advice if poss. I'm not gonna gonna complain cos I got a lot of mushrooms from both the McKennaii bag and the B+ monotub.
But unfortunately both were struck with Trichoderma.
Disposed of everything I needed to, isopropyl'd the tub to death, put it dry in a bag in a box. Cleaned the room and will again, before I start again. I unfortunately was fanning both separately as I thought, oh no what's that. I've got a colour deficiency which isn't helping. But I keep reading that the spores see nigh on impossible to get rid of. Should I even try. I'll have lost 2 rooms to Trichoderma. I could start up in another, but I don't live in a mansion.
Am I doomed?

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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You don t lose a room to trich. Spores are everywhere around you alrdy.

It s poor technic, hone up your skills. :gangsta:

Or is it a 2nd / third / ... flush ? From the look of the substrate it seems so. At some point it s not unusual to get some contam from what i ve understood (correct me if i m wrong the pros).

Be sure to wait for the grain to be totaly colonized before using it. 

And if you had decent harvests before i would just toss that tub.


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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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Juzi Da Rebel said:
Hi there. This is terrible but I don't think I know how to properly use this forum. I'm not sure if I am posting to everyone, just those who have seen my thread or if I've just been stalking Mr Kloakk, who never the less, has been amazingly helpful.
I'm trying to get some advice if poss. I'm not gonna gonna complain cos I got a lot of mushrooms from both the McKennaii bag and the B+ monotub.
But unfortunately both were struck with Trichoderma.
Disposed of everything I needed to, isopropyl'd the tub to death, put it dry in a bag in a box. Cleaned the room and will again, before I start again. I unfortunately was fanning both separately as I thought, oh no what's that. I've got a colour deficiency which isn't helping. But I keep reading that the spores see nigh on impossible to get rid of. Should I even try. I'll have lost 2 rooms to Trichoderma. I could start up in another, but I don't live in a mansion.
Am I doomed?



Hi, also noob here so take this with a grain of salt, but basically all the world is lost to trich. It exists everywhere and its just a part of life. So no need to keep changing rooms :grin:

I think that you have to ensure that everything is  sterile up to the moment that you spawn. You want to give the mycelium all the advantages against any contam once they are out in the tub. If you are using store bought bags the process becomes a trich roulette :frown:

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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Juzi Da Rebel]
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We can all see your posts in this thread :awesomenod:

And yes that's trich, usually you can't get rid of it whatever you do. You can try to cut it out and slow it down and maybe save the flush before you have to toss it.

And as the others said, normal cleaning is all that's needed. If the spawn or AIO bags is clean and 100% colonized before it's spawned to open air it should have no problem to stop any other organisms getting to the nutrients.

It's always a gamble with the pre made kits, and I said it before, but if you want to continue with this hobby and have more consistent results, you should get a pressure canner and learn agar, but you know this.

:highfive:


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“All Fungi are edible.

Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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So far, so good. In fact it's going amazingly  i did a bit of an "autopsy" on my last B+ cake. I adta do it int garden cos it was contaminated. But I learnt so much from it. I learn my lessons too. So this time I broke the pre inoculated bag thoroughly, then in the same bag, mixed in my bulk substrate. The difference is night an day. I wasted a lot of space, growing energy and aborted side pins. So probably didn't even get 50% of the potential yield. I let myself down on the lining tho. Only one comes with, an I forgot to order one with my new plugs and filters. So ont the day, I adta make do with a bin liner. I'm always learning. Or maybe I'm just wukless. Either way, if i can stay clear of contam, I should do v well.
Hope you guys are happy and well.




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Re: First time grower in need of some guidance [Re: Kloakk]
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Side note.
After a brutal few months with my poor old Dah! I woke up and thought, I've gotta fet away, or I'm gonna sink. Spent a few hours online and a few days later, on pay day. I booked my very first ever plane ticket, digs, just off Alicante's main strip. Brits abroad getting way too pissed and sharing as many STI's as poss. Wunt normally be my first choice of destination. Not cos I'm against that kinda holiday. I'm just getting too old, if i went out ont razz, full on, I'd need a week in bed to recover, I'd miss my holiday. However I'm booked into a week in an Auyuasca retreat beforehand. So it's possible I will have no interest in the "strip". I do still enjoy a dance tho. So i doubt that.
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I musta been abroad 10/15 times. 10 of which with my dad, "back home" he'd call it, the Caribbean. The rest ex girlfriends, my mum, either way, I'd be taken on holiday. It's only occurred to me how lame that is, I'm nearly blasted 50.
Put that right tho. I can't bloody wait. Next month.

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