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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: Dr_Sister]
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From my anectodal experience it's too dependent on too many factors to really pin it down.
The best you can do you refer to large and vague trends.
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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: novelattempt]
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If that’s true then two jmf would make it heroic. Difference in factors considering the mushies

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: For9758]
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Totally..

The last dose I did was 5.3g of Transkei. Maybe the mushrooms were just weak or merciful, but I felt that there was a lot more to explore with higher doses, and I wasn't nearly at the limit of my mental capabilities like other times when I took large doses of mush/cactus without weighing or knowing the potency.

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: shed light]
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shed light said:
I think the term "heroic dose" is just fundamentally flawed.

Taking a high dose isn't heroic.

Gaining insights and subsequently making your life/the world a better place is.  It's about the right dose.

5g of average cubes isn't enough to even get me very high, much less break through to the other side.  But then I have a friend who can get lost on his way to the bathroom for an hour on like 1g.

At 3g, his world is melting and I could sit placidly and talk to my mom.  If people must classify a dose as heroic, then it certainly must be relative to their personal tolerance. 

A heroic dose, then, would be whatever it takes to get you far beyond reality, where you dissolve and merge with the cosmos or whatever, and would be a highly individual number, not some arbitrary "5g of mushrooms is a heroic dose."

I certainly don't mean any of this as an attack on anyone here or the OP or anything like that.  Just the way I see it.  In my opinion, if people feel the need to classify their doses and experiences, they kind of don't get it/are missing the point.  Sometimes the right dose is some minor color enhancement and a good mood.  Other times it's fundamentally reframing how you see the universe, regardless of how many grams it takes to achieve either outcome.




isnt it called heroic because the 5g amount is a general threshold for ego annihilation? ive been dancin with this medicine for over 10 years and it seems like every time i take  anything under 5g its more of a fun tourism kind of high not facing my self seriously kind of experience.. and every time i take 5+ i end up in the fetal position (unless im at a party then i become some kind of carnival conductor.. which is also weird how its totally diff when around people) doing heavy breathing pushing out all sorts of dark energy from my body.. ( that i put into my body btw with bad habits, bad thinking and bad actions) i think the heroic or shamanic doses seem much more therapeutic and healing.. but i always have fear and loathing before doing one.. but its like my ego knows whats coming and it tries to convince me to not step in the fire and continue my bullshit ways of comfort and sedation.

also in terms of not getting high on 5g its a weird thing because it seems to me at higher doses you are somehow less high and more sane internally even though externally you may be acting like a mad man.. relatively speaking.. and it seems inverse for the lower doses up until the shamanic or heroes journey threshold.. which i think is kind of an interesting observation.

like internally due to peoples egos and internal dialogues they are more insane in their "normal state of consciousness" and at at lower doses then high doses because at high doses that ego dialogue gets annihilated atleast in my experience. like the harder you trip the more sober you are and closer to base reality.. granted of course if ones spirit is able to face oneself and the raw truth of the lifted veil.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: polishfarmer]
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Fortunately, research has progressed since then and many, many influencing factors have been identified. On the one hand, I think Terrence caused more harm than he intended with this statement, simply because he didn't know any better. I mean, which mushrooms was he referring to? When I think of Pan. Cyans.5g, well, buckle up. I just don't like the terminology! There is nothing heroic about mushroom consumption!!! Courageous, yes, but heroic? It's a strange term for a practice and a way of exploring consciousness and the multiverse, experienced through real knowledge that has been used for eons. But that's the way it is. I wonder if there were people in Terrence's time who had to laugh because they ate 100g of dried fruit themselves? It's a very old technique and I think we're learning to use and integrate it again bit by bit. Besides, it's the amount of alkaloids that plays the essential role, not the number of grams of dried fruit. And we can test this really well now.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: For9758]
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Ive noticed with some homegrown mushrooms, 5g sometimes feels like 2-3g. 5g of potent PE type mushrooms can get ya good..real good.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: For9758]
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Heroic to me is means multiple of 5, 5g > 10g > 15g > 20g > ...

The audience is super important, a heroic dose could easily be .5g > 1g > 1.5g > ...

The heroic part isn't the trip, its getting those mushrooms down, or that tea down quickly. The heroic part is submitting to the stomach nausea, fever and intensity. The heroic part is taking on temporarily suffering for short and long-term personal objectives.

Lots of semantics here, a Hero dose can be many things. Simply anyone that uses the mushroom to distance themselves (even partially) from pharmaceuticals is a hero in my book.

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: For9758] * 1
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For9758 said:
I'm not saying it isn't for some, but are there others that feel the 5 grams just arent enough for a "heroic" dose?  Or am I alone? I'm curious what others thoughts are. Maybe there's something I'm doing wrong/ not right with me that cause a pre tollerance to it.

The first few times I experimented I had only 1 or 2 grams. I was barely buzzed.

I bumped up to 5 grams of wild oviods. It wasn't the best setting. I was tired before taking them and fasting didn't help. Had an insightful trip but no strong visuals. Can't remember most of it and thought i blacked out, but my trip sitter said I never stopped talking once at hyperspace, so I just say I didn't remember it. 

About 6 months later I took an eight,  no visuals, but I "thought" it was strong. It wasn't untill I Took 7 grams two days later of 50/50 cubes and wild oviods and had an intense trip, but nothing unbearable. Lots of open and closed eyed visuals and was the first I seen fractals. It felt alot more simular to the first 5 gram trip as far as thought process and thinking went.

Recently I took 4 to 5 grams of cubes. Had a nice mid level trip with fractals, objects becoming geometric, ect. On the 7 grams objects didn't just become geometic. But went further.  For example, the grass on 7 grams became this pattern of snakes(very cool). But on 4.5 it was just uniform geometric arrangement.

Anyone else feel this or am I in the minority?
I feel alot of people take 5 grams and think that's as crazy as it gets. But for me, 5 grams is like a nice visuals but still very connected with reality and the world around me. Not simular to the stories of 5 grams equalling total body separation and loss of reality.  I feel like if I would of only took 5 grams, then yes, I would think that 5 grams was heroic. But because I took more, I know it was nothing compare to what can happen.

I feel like I may have a tolerance to psilocybin. Maybe an absorption issue in the intestine.  Idk.  But also, how much is based on our own understanding of what we think is or should be heroic? Anyone else think the 5 gram number is just too small?

(This isn't a conversation on potency. I know it varies alot and I've had my fair share from different wild batches plus my own. In general the ovoids I find are alittle stronger. Id say 4 grams ovoids equals 5 grams grown cubes. But the point is in general for dosing)



For9758, subjectively depends on what is a heroic dose to the majority of seasoned trippers. In that statement, I would say go ahead and take more but at a slow rate. This is because not every trip is the same and occasionally one will sneak up on you and overwhelm you in intensity. Basically if you want to delve deeper into the experience and are careful about it, I say go for what you feel is comfortable with your overall intentions and prior experiences. Tripping never gets boring and always changes to an extent with the amount you take. Heroic is just a word, when it comes to intensity of experience there may be no words to describe a "heroic dose."

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: cardboardandsoap] * 1
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cardboardandsoap said:
Heroic to me is means multiple of 5, 5g > 10g > 15g > 20g > ...

The audience is super important, a heroic dose could easily be .5g > 1g > 1.5g > ...

The heroic part isn't the trip, its getting those mushrooms down, or that tea down quickly. The heroic part is submitting to the stomach nausea, fever and intensity. The heroic part is taking on temporarily suffering for short and long-term personal objectives.

Lots of semantics here, a Hero dose can be many things. Simply anyone that uses the mushroom to distance themselves (even partially) from pharmaceuticals is a hero in my book.




A heroic dose, under no circumstance, can be .5g if we are talking cubes. I also dont understand the whole multiple of 5 thing you got going on there..


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: alienprincess47]
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A heroic dose, under no circumstance, can be .5g if we are talking cubes. I also dont understand the whole multiple of 5 thing you got going on there..



My grandma takes 1g on occasion, heroic af. Helps with balancing out the side effects of the various pharmaceuticals.

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multiples of 5 increases your chances of leaping from your comfort zone, 1x increases is just conditioning IMO. We are talking cubes.

Edited by cardboardandsoap (10/06/25 07:50 AM)

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: cardboardandsoap] * 1
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Even if it was a heroic dose, that may not be the case anymore. Consciousness evolves.

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: Auron]
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Also, y'all need to stop slandering my beloved psilocybe trashpandensis. I've definitely sent people to Mars on 2 g of my shit before, when prepared correctly. But discussions of "x amount of material" are truly pointless, and no, not everyone is growing some half-assed multispore whatever when they grow trashpandensis. And yes, peoples' gut flora and brain chemistries vary widely. And no, "heroic" is not a quantifiable term. I definitely know people for whom 0.5 grams of the right trashpandensis genetics constitutes a breakthrough/heroic/Mckenna-esque/whatever dose.

Down with wook science!


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: B Traven]
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Wook science is thinking a cube can give you a breakthrough type dose with .5g ...it may feel like it but the person is just new to those effects. I guess youre right though its just uncommon to find people who can go so far on that dose.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said:
...I've definitely sent people to Mars on 2 g of my shit before, when prepared correctly...



What does prepared correctly mean to you B Traven? I want to go to mars :frown:

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: For9758] * 1
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alienprincess47 said:
Wook science is thinking a cube can give you a breakthrough type dose with .5g ...it may feel like it but the person is just new to those effects. I guess youre right though its just uncommon to find people who can go so far on that dose.



Ah, cool, so you've conducted an extensive analysis of the active content of the entire cultivated cube genome. And you're omniscient, and have a complete understanding of the psychedelic experience for everyone. Didn't know I was in the presence of such greatness.

You should get off here and go start a religion or some shit.

But thanks for telling me that what I've seen and known is just what I "think." I appreciate it. Guess I'd better put down my patchouli and hit the books so I can maybe achieve your level of knowledge.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: cardboardandsoap] * 1
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cardboardandsoap said:
B Traven said:
...I've definitely sent people to Mars on 2 g of my shit before, when prepared correctly...



What does prepared correctly mean to you B Traven? I want to go to mars :frown:



Anything that increases the rate of digestion/uptake, maybe some MAO inhibitors in the mix. Shortens the overall duration, but makes the spike taller. Also increases the amount of actives that are actually getting into your bloodstream, instead of just shitted out undigested in whole chunks of fungus.There are many different options.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: B Traven]
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B Traven said:
alienprincess47 said:
Wook science is thinking a cube can give you a breakthrough type dose with .5g ...it may feel like it but the person is just new to those effects. I guess youre right though its just uncommon to find people who can go so far on that dose.



Ah, cool, so you've conducted an extensive analysis of the active content of the entire cultivated cube genome. And you're omniscient, and have a complete understanding of the psychedelic experience for everyone. Didn't know I was in the presence of such greatness.

You should get off here and go start a religion or some shit.

But thanks for telling me that what I've seen and known is just what I "think." I appreciate it. Guess I'd better put down my patchouli and hit the books so I can maybe achieve your level of knowledge.




Ya know...thats a good idea. You can be my first member but you need tk perform sexual acts on me if you want membership. Im sure you'll make the right decision :wink:


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: For9758]
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We are here in this thread: :blowjob:

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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: alienprincess47] * 1
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alienprincess47 said:
Ya know...thats a good idea. You can be my first member but you need tk perform sexual acts on me if you want membership. Im sure you'll make the right decision :wink:



Goddamn it, I was all set to write you off completely and then you gotta go and post something like this.

Alright, look, seriously, I can attest to there being some seriously strong cube genetics in the mix out there. I'm not saying they're normal or common, but genetics work can get you to a pretty intense level. Beyond that, there are considerations in how the harvest is conducted. I'll go ahead and out myself here as someone who does believe that pins are stronger per unit weight than mature fruits. I actually end up growing some fruits out and picking some pins, then blending them all together, because people can't handle or don't want pure pin powder. I get that your statement is accurate more often than not, especially for :dealershrooms:. I'm just not gonna sign off on an absolute statement when I've had experiences to the contrary.


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Re: Anyone else think 5 grams isn't really a heroic dose [Re: cardboardandsoap] * 1
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:smugjerry:


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