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 YellowSubmarine
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 The Heroic Dose 
#1931117 - 09/18/03 11:52 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm a little bit of a wimp. I've shroomed for the past year and half, the highest I've gone was 3 grams. What happens at five if you had to describe it in one sentence for me? Just one.
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You analyze your life and your actions.intentions.priorities from every perceivable perspective* and you go from the highest highs and the lowest lows.
(heroic dose, is alone, by the way)
*(egoloss; there is no you)
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 Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: PDU]
#1931193 - 09/19/03 12:14 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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you die, cease to exist
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Infrared]
#1931206 - 09/19/03 12:18 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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i never did 5 but i did 7 grams
You die and return to where you came from
the endless loop of eternity and existence
i dunno i didnt really understand it
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I remember 5.5g's of some good B+'s, what an experience...I don't know if I will eat more than 4g's for a while. I had a great time on 5.5, however it is just SO fucking intense.
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"What happens at five if you had to describe it in one sentence for me?"
You trip out harder than three grams
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Quote:
Slipknot420 said:
i never did 5 but i did 7 grams
You die and return to where you came from
the endless loop of eternity and existence
i dunno i didnt really understand it
I hope after that you quit listening to Slipknot.
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I never noticed that much difference between 3 and 5. It isn't like you take 5 and suddenly shit your pot full. The brain only has so many receptors, above a certain level there's not that much that differs except the trip lasts a little longer perhaps. I've taken 25 dried grams of potent cubies, 10 dried grams of cyans and had just as powerful trips from 3 dried grams of cubies. Mushrooms arn't like beer where if you take 10 pints you're always more drunk than if you take 3 pints. Mood, setting and the character of the person play an enormous part in it.
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Ecstasy!
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Xlea321]
#1932118 - 09/19/03 11:05 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alex123 said:
I never noticed that much difference between 3 and 5.
I have.
I notice a BIG difference between 5 grams and 10 grams.Whenever I increase the amount I notice a difference.
Maybe I have more receptors than you?
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1932163 - 09/19/03 11:28 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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> What happens at five if you had to describe it in one sentence for me? Just one.
At 3-5g: lots of fun
At 4-5g: whoa, things are merging
At 5-7g: split "me" soup
At 7-10g: who am I
At 10g+: what...
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1932249 - 09/19/03 12:11 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
sirreal said:
Quote:
Alex123 said:
I never noticed that much difference between 3 and 5.
While i find it hard to beleive youve tripped as hard off 25g as you have off 3g, weird shit happens. Ive tripped as hard as off 7g's...on less than 2g's. I for the most part, dont regard 5g's as a heroic dose..As Alex said, there's not THAT much difference between 3 and 5g's sometimes. It depends on so many things...
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1932643 - 09/19/03 01:43 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe I have more receptors than you?
Or maybe you thought "I've just taken more than I've ever taken before I'm gonna trip balls!!" and sure enough you did..
The only evidence we have without the placebo effect playing a part is mentioned in Timothy Leary's book "Flashbacks" where he mentions giving people tremendous doses of LSD while telling them it was just 250mics. No-one ever noticed any difference.
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In one sentence: everything that happens on 3g is incredibly intensified at 5g, and there may be some added effects that were not present at all at 3g.
In depth:
I've tried about every dose between 3g and 8g, in 1/2g incriments. What I've found is that after about 3.5-4g the strengthof the trip increases much more slowly than the length of the trip. For instance, 8g "feels" fairly similar to 5g (at least to me) as far as it's effects go, but 8g lasts about 7-9 hours for me where 5g only lasts 5-6 hours. Below 3.5-4g I've found that the strength of the trip increases much more quickly than the length, which stays at a fairly steady 4.5-6 hours.
As far as what it "feels" like to take 5g (which I would not consider a "heroic dose")...it's hard to explain. I can explain my 8g experiences much more easily, as I have more of them than 5g trips. When I take 8g I lose any control I might have had at a lower dose. Confusion rules supreme, yet it's not always a disconcerting confusiion. Sometimes I laugh at myself because I can't figure out what something is or what is going on in the first place. 8g is very much so a head trip - most of what happens is completely internal to my mind. Movement becomes hard enough at times that I just sit wherever I am and think.
A head full of thought, but streaked with confusion. It's a strange thing to feel, such a fast pase of logical thought with absolutely no sensical meaning in physical reality.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: trendal]
#1932736 - 09/19/03 02:02 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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man for me 8 grams feels way stronger than 5...
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Strumpling]
#1932760 - 09/19/03 02:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe I have a strange tolerance, then 
I'm really quite a lightweight. I'm completely on the floor from anything over say 1.5 grams. Five grams is INCREDIBLY intense for me, and while there IS a difference between 5 and 8 I think it would be completely pointless to try and describe the difference. It's not a HUGE difference, not nearly as big as the difference between even 3.5 and 5 grams. But yeah there is one there.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: trendal]
#1932804 - 09/19/03 02:25 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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The shrooms seem to affect me in a different way trendal. I never get the slightest "mindfuck" or negativity on doses around the 25 dried gram mark. I feel completly in control and at my physical and mental peak. No confusion at all.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Xlea321]
#1932853 - 09/19/03 02:45 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have a friend who took shrooms three times without feeling anything at all (doses of 1.5g 2g and 3.5g respecitvely). Everyone else who took the shrooms at the same time tripped fine and hard.
Finally on his fourth try he took 2.5g and tripped hard.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Xlea321]
#1933055 - 09/19/03 04:03 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alex123 said:
Maybe I have more receptors than you?
Or maybe you thought "I've just taken more than I've ever taken before I'm gonna trip balls!!" and sure enough you did..
Or maybe you are just speculating on what I experience?
I took over ten grams before I took 5 grams.
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The only evidence we have without the placebo effect playing a part is mentioned in Timothy Leary's book "Flashbacks" where he mentions giving people tremendous doses of LSD while telling them it was just 250mics. No-one ever noticed any difference.
We are talking about mushrooms, not acid.
Besides, it would be a little harder to pull that on yourself, Don't ya think?
BTW, I know how each of these drugs affect the brain. No need to explain.
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Edited by sirreal (09/19/03 04:10 PM)
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1934303 - 09/20/03 01:00 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Or maybe you are just speculating on what I experience?
Don't you think it's more likely to be the placebo effect than our brains having different numbers of receptors tho?
We are talking about mushrooms, not acid.
I know. But you can't give anyone a megadose of mushrooms without them knowing they are getting a megadose. That's why it only works with LSD. Don't you think mushrooms are similar enough to LSD to draw parallels?
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Xlea321]
#1935395 - 09/20/03 12:19 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex123 said:
Don't you think it's more likely to be the placebo effect than our brains having different numbers of receptors tho?
The only thing that I can say is that when I take 50 fresh grams I experience a huge perceptual shift and vivid hallucinations.
When I take around 100 fresh grams everything melts and I experience what I consider ego death.
Maybe it just takes more to get me to that point. I don't really know why that would be. I can just speculate like you do.
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Don't you think mushrooms are similar enough to LSD to draw parallels?
Sure. But it is still speculation.
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Edited by sirreal (09/20/03 12:20 PM)
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: PDU]
#1935403 - 09/20/03 12:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
PDU said:
i find it hard to beleive youve tripped as hard off 25g as you have off 3g
Alex said that, Not me.
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PDU
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1935539 - 09/20/03 01:31 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
sirreal said:
Quote:
PDU said:
i find it hard to beleive youve tripped as hard off 25g as you have off 3g
Alex said that, Not me.
Yes yes, sorry. I just wanted to use the quote box. i should have pointed out who i was responding to.
Also, while i find it hard to believe, i do indeed believe it.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: PDU]
#1947754 - 09/24/03 11:55 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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i hate the heroic dose statment mckenna made, one of his only mistakes in my opinion..
never once have i came across the statment with a shred of knowledge to it that mushrooms get some people ALOT higher then others, and obviously.. well in my experience  if i ate 5 grams of mushrooms i wouldent be able to comprehend reality.. i can hardly eat a 8th without TRIPPING BALLS.. half a gram even gets me off pretty good .
u can go by leary's phylosphy.."when in dought doubble dose" but im pretty sure leary never ate many mushrooms hehe  lsd is childsplay compared to shrooms..(tho i like lsd 100x better)
i dunno :P be fucked up if somone ended up fucking his head up cause he took mckenna's tolerence to mushrooms instead of his own
i mean mckenna couldent even get high off animitas , and only experience casual hallucinations from datura. the way he describes the psychdelic reality (in my point of view) says he had to try really hard to get to the goods
hehe
mckenna was great tho, terrible tragedy what happen to his head :P
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Tremor1127]
#1948023 - 09/24/03 01:04 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm a bit of a late comer to this thread but i've thought about it a lot over the years.
Growin' up in Ireland we never really had the education on drugs that we have now what with this new fangled Internet, an'all. So a normal dose for me and my friends of U.K Pysoblo, well you know the mushroom i'm tryin' to spell, Liberty cap, thats the one, would have started at 100 mushrooms. Dont know how much that would have been in weight as thats not the way we counted. These of course ranged in size from small to the Godzilla like ones that always seemed to grow on their own with no patches round. Anyway, i digress.
My method of dryin' was crude but effective. I'd leave hundreds of them on paper till they dried then eat them.
All through mushroom season you'd have a sack of them dried and ready to consume. Not only have i digressed i think i've taken a wrong turnin' here.
We're talkin' heroic dosage, yes? Yes, ok. I had, in one sittin', over 650 Liberty Caps. I started with a good 150 or so then happily munched my way through the rest of the plastic sack till there was just dust at the bottom.
Yes i was high, fcuk was i high. But i truely do believe you can only get so high. Theres only so much brain space in there.
Mostly i believe it comes down to how hard you come up.
This is the reason now when i trip nothin' ever seems to be intense enough for me. I'm spoilt. Now i'm convinced that every trip has to be total madness or its just not truely Phycedelic.
The walls bendin' a bit from the corner of my eye? Pah!
A bit of carpet swirl? Pah!
Thinkin' your friends are speakin' fluent Swedish? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then its the singer not the song.
Each to his own.
Different strokes.
Whats good for one.
One mans drink is anothers poison.
What do i know?
Its all academic once your peakin' and you've lost sense of all reality whether you've had 1 or a hundred.
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I wish I had a low tolerance...5g's is my normal dose. I wont even eat an 8th. Feels wasteful to me. And no I am not a giant. Under 200# and under 6'.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: longshot]
#1948436 - 09/24/03 03:31 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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longshot
feel lucky
i know people ..
no matter hwo many mushrooms i give them.. dont even feel a buzz.. and then theirs people who jsut do not see visuals onpsychdelics..
i dunno if i can say im lucky, maybe on the solo front. but i always fuck up hehe.. get drunk and decide to down some mushrooms and i eat the same dose as everyone else..
ever have a prayin mantis on ur ceiling staring a poking u before?
not plesant.
this was off 3.2 grams.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: LCid]
#1948827 - 09/24/03 05:06 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lucid?
That you?
Whats up!
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LCid
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: longshot]
#1948921 - 09/24/03 05:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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ye im Lucid..
what u been doin man
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: longshot]
#1948949 - 09/24/03 05:46 PM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've taken 8ths and had a great time.
Then I moved up. Double the 3.5 = 7g.
Well, why not?
I ate them alone after being yelled at by the mom and I was feeling like shit. It was to test how set and setting mess with your trip. Well, in a bad mood, on 7g, in pitch black, total silence, I discovered the secret to happiness. I thought about my drug use and why I was unhappy. I thought about how my life is compared to other peoples. I thought of the kids in Iraq who would do anything for a meal or to have their parents back, and of all the people of the world.
And I found it. I found happiness. Complete, utter, bliss. I knocked on my mom's bedroom door at 2AM in the morning crying tears of happiness apoligizing for all I've put her through, told her I love her, and she said 'It's ok, just go back to bed'.
Well, right when I had the key to happiness, I decided sleep would be awesome, so I slept. My mom woke me up and I told her I saw things i've never seen before on mushrooms. I told her I ate 7 gram of psilocybe cubensis, a gift the earth has given us, and I found the answer to everything. I entered the trip asking myself "why can't I be happy" and I found out I can be.
Well, she threatened to throw me out of the house for putting poisonous drugs into my body and she told me if I don't like reality the way it is I'm out of the house. What a bummer! Ignorant people. It's funny because she smokes the ganja with me but if I ever take anything else she flips out. I was under the influence that she was accepting of drug use. wrong.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: Grandpa]
#1950630 - 09/25/03 08:45 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder how many of you people are really measuring your doses.
Are you just guessing or what? 
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1950702 - 09/25/03 09:27 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Total, pure guess work on my part. Well mostly. When you buy from a shop it says on the side of the box how much you have in weight. At the moment i've got 70 'shrooms that were picked today from my grow kit, first flush*hurray for me*, dryin' at a barley warm heat in the oven. I've no idea what the actual weight will be dry but what kind of an idiot cant guess the weight of 1 gram? Piece of hash in this hand, some 'shrooms in the other. Its close enough for Rock'n'Roll.
EDIT: I suppose first off you gotta' be able to know what 1 gram of hash feels like. But who cant tell that? Its a gram! Simple.
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Edited by SummerBreeze (09/25/03 09:28 AM)
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Quote:
SummerBreeze said:
At the moment i've got 70 'shrooms that were picked today from my grow kit, first flush*hurray for me*, dryin' at a barley warm heat in the oven.
EDIT: I suppose first off you gotta' be able to know what 1 gram of hash feels like. But who cant tell that? Its a gram! Simple.
Congrats on the 70 shrooms.Let me know how much they weigh. To the gram! 
BTW, using your hands as a scale is not very accurate.Especially when you are dealing with higher amounts.
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1950725 - 09/25/03 09:41 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, but we're talkin' a guesstimate here. One micro gram over either ways not gonna' make that much difference. Unless your dealin' with, i dont know, fairy dust or magic beans.
Dont know about weighin' the wee fcukers. Tell you what i'm goin' to do, i'm gonna' sit and much them when they're dry and have the strongest, hopefuly, trip i've had for a long time.
I'll tell you how that goes though.
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Quote:
SummerBreeze said:
Tell you what i'm goin' to do, i'm gonna' sit and much them when they're dry and have the strongest, hopefuly, trip i've had for a long time.
I'll tell you how that goes though.
Don't stop until all 70 are gone. Don't stop until you are gone.
Whichever comes first! 
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Re: The Heroic Dose [Re: sirreal]
#1950786 - 09/25/03 10:22 AM (20 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats the intention. Its gonna' be a real 'Lock The Door Just Incase', special complete with flashin' lights and cow bells!
I'm only sorry i never got the loan of my friends bubble projector to complete the scene. But i'm sure i'll make do jussssssst fine!
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