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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
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I used to sometimes work on these slumlord apt conversions in Thai town whenever an inspector got involved and the owners were forced to bring something up to code and I have to say that while the conditions were atrocious by modern U.S. standards, the people living there seemed to be happy with it.  I guess when you were living in a jungle hut last year, a moldy 1 bedroom with no smoke detectors and outdoor laundry doesn't seem so bad

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Envix]
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Envix said:
koods said:
Jahahahaha




watch it work lol (if he is white)


Thats impossible trump has 0 empathy. He sees empathy as a political tool.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
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Jesus Christ, imagine writing all that because I made a post criticising the notion that 'a billionaire just wants to help us' and 'people with a lot of money don't typically want more'.

Your own screed about selfishness seems to agree with me, but somehow criticizing billionaires leads you down a rabbit hole of having to "constantly bash the USA on every fundamental thing".

Capitalism and our form of government has serious flaws? We should try and refine it? Cool, then maybe try not taking that criticism so personally next time.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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In your opinion do you think Hamas can demand the IDF leave Lebanon?

That seems like something that would be very difficult to negotiate for right now.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot] * 4
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SirTripAlot said:
You don't fail to mischaracterize, Just got my fix for the day.

1. I never called for the extermination of the human species. If you can post that, I will own up to it. If you cant back your claim...gasp...own up to it.

2. Things will get better when our species is gone. No more war, no poverty, etc. In fact, all the utopian ideals that people love to spout.... won't be met to that occurs, thats how ridiculous the claims are. Unless there is a system that can change human motivations from self interest to the altruism (that goes from the civilains all the way to the state), we ALL have it coming. I submit the entirety of human history to back this claim.

3. Until that time, we are left with what we have. Capitalism and our form of government has serious flaws but it remains our best shot. Does that mean we shouldnt try and refine it? Of course we should, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is bullshit. We have a firm foundation to work on.

If someone can invent a better system for the real world, let that play out. Where exactly is that? We have people BUYING  our debt. Our currency is absolutely DEPENDED on for all things finanical, and yes, for all the naysayers and haters, we do bring more stability to the world, than instability (by a cunt hair, but we can get better).Look at how Europe freaks the fuck out when our dumbass president floats the idea that they may be in it alone for their defense.

We so big bad USA, yet close to 15% of our population is made up from other countires. In fact, we have more than the next four  COMBINED. I guess all those people love misery and an unequal system. Why doesn't the world move to to all those "more enlightened " countries?

4. We all have it coming, especially for the meddling and conflict we have committed. Other countries have it too, lets all get in line. If there is a time when the USA is dethroned because of this, I will have to accept there was a superior system. Until that time, I will be at least thankful for abundance bestowed within my life.... being "lower middle class". Not going to cry in my beer,  and make others who are more well off, the booggggie man. I have seen a decent portion of the world; people have no clue the standard of life we have here....sadly, even those citizens in poverty.

So, holy shit if I don't constantly bash the USA on every fundamental thing that makes us, us. I also won't feel guilty for having what I do have or wanting something more.


As you might know, a lot of my posts are made in jest. I don’t explicitly say which are and which aren’t, but I think I make it pretty clear.

But, yeah, I agree with you. This planet would probably be better off without humanity, given that we are actively destroying its ability to sustain life.

However, us being humans, we can probably take the point of view of humanity, and try to grapple with the issues we cause with the goal of maximizing happiness and safety and sustainability of both human and non-human life. Otherwise why even argue about anything?

I take issue with the idea that humans are inherently self-interested which is incompatible with altruism. This insidious “it’s human nature” that immediately discards any argument for progress is just a self-fulfilling prophecy. People have made this exact argument in defense of every system we’ve overcome over the course of human history: from monarchy, slavery, feudalism, apartheid, war, etc. It’s easy to just shrug and say it’s impossible to make change, but change CAN be made, and we know that because it’s been done countless times.

“Capitalism and our government has serious flaws but it’s our best shot.”

Another hymn for the lazy and unimaginative. Folks said this before the Revolutionary War. They said it during chattel slavery, they said it during segregation and the red scares. But there is a difference between an “is” and an “ought.”

“We have a firm foundation to work on.”

???? You say this as if it’s a law of nature. This foundation, which has existed in the blink of an eye in human history, is about to eradicate all life from the planet. This is something we should build on?

“If American bad then why immigrant?”

Because we have a standard of security and prosperity that dwarfs certain other nations, often because of our own actions. If I burn your house down and then offer you a bed in my spare room, it doesn’t prove that me burning your house down is altruistic. I really don’t think I need to elaborate on this point.

As for point #4, it’s admirable of you to pre-accept a superior system. But that system has already been formulated. As capitalism evolved out of feudalism, so too has socialism evolved from capitalism. I’m not going to say socialism is perfect just because it’s an improvement, but our country spent the last century systematically destroying that new system specifically because it threatens the people who control the current system, much in the same way monarchs and feudal lords subjugated mercantilists and capitalists a couple hundred years ago.

We all have to grapple with being, to some degree, culpable for that, and the cognitive dissonance each of us has with respect to the various ways in which we benefit from it.


Further, we share the burden of knowing that  the system which benefits us is also at the detriment of the majority of human life AND 99% of non-human life AND 100% of ALL LIFE some 100 years in the future.

It sucks, and it’s harder than just shrugging and saying humans suck, but it’s the truth.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Does your affinity group now dictate post lengths in the Shoomery? The vast majority of my posts are not that length. Seems like you are the one hot under the collar.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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It's not the length, in and of itself, it's the entire tangent to argue against something that you seemingly agree with - you believe people are selfish, yet come in on the defensive when I point out to another poster that billionaires are unlikely to be acting on altruistic motives.

I can't see any reason for such a response, other than feeling personally targeted by my criticism of billionaires and selfishness.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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I do think that freedom of expression, shit, the vast majority of Amendments in the Constitution are a firm foundation.

And I will have to be intellectually honest that my take is jaded and I am overly skeptical on other economic systems/ form of governments. Its probably to rationalize the good I see, or where I choose to look. I am under no spell that we all good over here, but the good I see I won't over look.

We are a product of our experinces. We have Amazon workers here, a private business owner(s), a lawyer, I believe you are in a financial/ bookkeeping sector, my lot, etc. We all have our prism and it will enhance and also cloud what we feel is the right way to go.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (02/16/25 09:32 PM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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You dont make sense. First its my length (nevermind my girth), now it's how I said it. Coming from someone saying  I wasnt saying anything profound, and yet,  when I express myself, it's a tangent. Feel free to rubberstamp this response, as well. Include a meme to drive it home.


To clear up any confusion:

Yes, I agree that people are selfish. I also agree that billionaires are selfish. A "What do you expect?" kinda thing. That doesn't mean one doesn't derive a benefit from the greed (like cell phone usage).


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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I never said length, or that it was too long - that was an inference by you. I said 'writing all that' because a seemingly innocuous statement - that the billionaire behind doge is not acting with altruistic motives - resulted in you going all the way down to "constantly bash the USA on every fundamental thing".

All the more wild because, as you state now, you agree with the notion. Would you have preferred an addendum at the bottom stating *sometimes billionaires do good things?

And the meme was, as I've already stated, a specific response to the tired criticism of 'you criticise capitalism with your IPhone lol' - but you seem to have focused on that so much that you missed the earlier post of mine that responded to your query directly.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Jesus Christ, imagine writing all that


Yeah, Imagine the leap I took to equate that to length. Nice backtracking, at least own it... or wait do anarchists believe in ownership of land with resources? I don't think they do. What a stellar concept. You are on to something, maybe you can come over to my house and we can play bury the action figure. It's so nice to know how altruistic  your political beliefs are. Let's replace the #1 superpower with...anarchists.

I wasn't even  orginally replying to you, homie. I was talking about altruism and how most people are self interested. You then post, what a "shiity argument" followed by a meme , then state I didn't say anything " profound" lol dude.

Its cool, you can believe in your fairy tales,  your views will be regulated to the fringe of the fringe. Have fun storming the castle.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (02/17/25 01:34 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Yes, it was a leap of assumption - one that I corrected each time you made it - but you seem more interested in misunderstanding my point so that you can argue.

And considering your post was re: shivas.wisdom, and immediately followed a post of mine that discussed altruism and selfishness - I'm sure you can understand why I assumed it was a response directed at me.




Is this all because I mocked your "what was the brand name of your device? Your internet provider?  I bet you are paying some rich shareholder, CEO, indirectly" argument? For the third time, it wasn't directed at your entire outlook, only the portion I quoted, because that portion is a tired old argument that deserves to be mocked. Again, why are you so committed to misunderstanding this?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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Who wins this argument?

Shiva

STaL

sTaL


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gopher] * 1
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Invalid poll. You've listed SirTripAlot twice, and there's no option for 'I am Sir Tokes-A-Lot'


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: SirTripAlot]
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SirTripAlot said:
I do think that freedom of expression, shit, the vast majority of Amendments in the Constitution are a firm foundation.

And I will have to be intellectually honest that my take is jaded and I am overly skeptical on other economic systems/ form of governments. Its probably to rationalize the good I see, or where I choose to look. I am under no spell that we all good over here, but the good I see I won't over look.

We are a product of our experinces. We have Amazon workers here, a private business owner(s), a lawyer, I believe you are in a financial/ bookkeeping sector, my lot, etc. We all have our prism and it will enhance and also cloud what we feel is the right way to go.


Sure but the degree to which we have freedom of expression is relatively universal across the developed world (ie the parts of the world that aren’t constantly struggling to survive).

Agree with the rest.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: gopher]
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gopher said:



Sounds pretty miced to me. Good thing Canada can flip off usa off with its socialist system.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope]
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We want a small government (that absorbs entire nations in order to create new avenues for massive bureaucracy and subsidy).


God damn anyone who says the current agenda is erratic.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope]
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I don’t understand the end game here. It seems relatively easy to protect government jobs that magas like.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 2
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There is no endgame.

Trump got into power with the help of these people, and now they get to impose austerity and loot the federal government and neither Trump nor the gop writ large give a shit.

To the extent that their constituents do, it’s mealy mouthed bullshit like this where people tiptoe around opposing it lest they be damned and branded a big government liberal.


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