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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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People who believe in God think it’s either God or nothing, huh? That’s not necessarily how that works


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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: CreonAntigone]
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If you tell a theist you believe in other types of spiritual or epistemological ideas they will just dismiss or ignore what you believe.

God is a hierarchy mindset, applied to the human spirit. Which is actually wildly disgusting.

Imagine being such a fascist that you have to turn your entire understanding of the universe into a hierarchy, with a leader.

It's an extremely moronic way to view our reality. It's anthropocentric, and it also forbids it's victims from seeking out new ideas.

They become permanently enslaved. Nailed to a cross of their own petty little fears.

God, is a bloated figure head, an imaginary character that people point to when they want to be oppressive and miserable to everyone else.

It is a template for shitty, domineering behavior, and has absolutely no value in terms of understanding the universe.


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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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When the primary cornerstone of your beliefs are ,

1. hierarchy

And

2. Judgment,

You can tell that those are human ideas created by a human. By an extremely shitty human with a deficit of empathy and no regard to philosophical or spiritual growth.

God is the McDonald's hamburger of spirituality. It's a grotesque wad of manufactured fat, designed to engorge you, in an immediate, non-nutirtive way, that enriches a soulless corporation at your expense.


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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Also, it's just an observably stupid conclusion to draw.

When you see a pine tree, do you say "oh that must have been created by a giant pine tree in the sky that controls the ebb and flow of universal events"?

When you see a Mitsubishi Galant, do you immediately think "oh that Mitsubishi Galant was created by an omnipotent Mitsubishi Galant, so it could be set about the earth, and it's behaviors can be judged for the sake of rewarding or punishing it."?

It's an issue of perspective, right.

Small minded humans will put humanity at the center of all things in their mind. They can't see farther than the end of their own nose.

If a man is dying on a battlefield, life flashing before his eyes, he sees god there, he sees the angels. To him, this moment is everything, it is the universe.

Now when you see a squirrel on the sidewalk that has been chewed up by a cat.

You think "eww gross".

But to the squirrel, that moment is everything. He sees his squirrel life flash before his eyes. He sees little squirrel angels. It is the center of the universe.

Weak minded people cannot accept this though. Accepting the equality of all things would mean stepping down from the high-horse of their bloated ego.

They need a prediscursive reason that makes their experiences, the main, most important, primary, central, things going on in all of reality.

It can't be questionable, we can't have any questions about it.

They extrapolate human authority structures, and impose them over the universe, like arrogant, ignorant graffiti.

Why do some people do this and not others?

Because some people worship authority.

"The only thing that makes me feel safe is daddy! The only way I know what to do is when my boss says so!"

"The universe needs a daddy, so I always feel safe! The only way the universe could know what to do, is if it has a boss to tell it what to do! The whole universe has become a reflection of my ego now, me me me me me me me me me me!!!"


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Edited by Calm_A_Llama_Down (11/28/24 07:30 AM)

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: syncro]
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This (conclusion) turns out kind of obvious I suppose after trying to write it, a good experience. Referring to the teaching, God is not our enemy – the difficulty for me is considering the ego in this, its purpose, the reason it was created said to be for the opposite.

Sitting under the sky in a chill setting, modest pedestrian traffic. If one is in the presence of people and feels affinity, joy, charity, dominantly, that's good time, but typically, correct me if I'm wrong, the ego must weigh for itself, people, phenomena, and does so in limiting ways that make for, say dukkha. It's habitual so we're not really aware of it consciously but perhaps of the effects of constriction etc.

I wasn't thinking a lot of that, but affirming, God is not my enemy, more than intellectually, letting it go more in into the body-brain, heart, belly say... whatever way to describe access to more of a unity, energetic mind morph we all do.

Unexpected was that it directly removed the ego dynamic described associated with people. I was not becoming absorbed, not in bhav per se – it showed to be an effect of the contemplation.

Our view of God and our view of people I was inclined to say are equated.

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: syncro]
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A sort of final boss question in using the term God, 'justifying' it, to me is, is it alive? Not that I'm pushing that people use the term God.

I had the question, is the object of your perception alive? But it is also not so much about the object. That which made the perception possible at all is life, in senses and thought... 

Anyways, if it is alive, then I can justify God. Is Brahman alive? Brahman is not considered a God anyway, as a person.

I may say, I am one with my Father. Father to me is not different from the Dharmakaya. It is Mahamudra. This is the same as a liberating mantra, and contemplations.

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: syncro]
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Even to the true believer, God is, at most, a secondary factor to the derivation of meaning 99 percent of the time. The theist attempts to explain away this fact by claiming to themselves that all of their endeavors in pursuit of self-sustenance, material attainment, social status, ecstasy and satiation of the ego are a “glorification of God as He wills it”.

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Headies] * 1
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God wants you to believe in Him, believe in each other and believe in yourself.

We are pieces of God
Together we comprise God

There is the totality of everything in everything.

Therefore, donate to Thanksgiving Trees


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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Asante]
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Think about the sims.

You control the sims. The sims do whatever you want. Sometimes you make them slay each other with guns. You are god regardless if you control them or let them have free will.

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Headies] * 1
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Headies said:
Even to the true believer, God is, at most, a secondary factor to the derivation of meaning 99 percent of the time. The theist attempts to explain away this fact by claiming to themselves that all of their endeavors in pursuit of self-sustenance, material attainment, social status, ecstasy and satiation of the ego are a “glorification of God as He wills it”.


You might be surprised how much moment to moment self reflection can change from steady, heavy meditative work, etc.

The outside functioning becomes less prominent. It's pretty easy to see even just being stoned or something, or we wake up half asleep, and without even being really conscious in a significant way, beverages are heating, necessities prepared.

There is so much the body does already unconsciously. Yogis have talked about worldly affairs just being added to the list. I thought of a trained musician even, see how their concentration is not broken, and it becomes habitual. Being in love or infatuated does it, or in fight or flight...

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: syncro]
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I’m fine in the self reflection department, thanks.

Did you just make the case that being doped up and semi-conscious is the higher state of awareness?

On the whole,  I have no idea how you’re trying to relate any of it to my original post.

God is a linguistic short-circuit that operates as a placeholder when people attempt to comprehend a totality or are operating from a place of ignorance as to cause. In this case, Creon is trying to suss out the origin of the ethical code of conduct that is necessary for the peaceful cohabitation occurring within a functional society. Does God instill the code of conduct necessary for a cow to live amongst its herd?

Edited by Headies (11/29/24 08:12 AM)

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: Headies]
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You said 99 percent derivation of meaning. I said we can move along in the world without much associated derivation of meaning. The post titles can confuse who's replying to whom, my mistake.

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Re: Does ultimate meaning in life require God? [Re: syncro]
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Quote:
For the religious of you, do you think belief of God is any particular importance, or can a person who does not believe similarly be just as ethical in the world, and just as appreciative of its value?


Yes.
It's possible for nons to be just as appreciative as people of faith.
In my opinion, that is.


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If God made the world, what is the practical gain from belief? Wouldn't that be irrelevant or at least secondary to action in the world?


It depends on the God and the perspective or world view involved.


Gratitude can be a powerful thing.


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Edited by Nyxchaac (11/30/24 11:14 AM)

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