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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Stuntbum]
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Im on t4 of four different varieties and getting ready to go straight to grain and have a question:

How big of a wedge for inoculating a quart jar?

Doing 1 1/4 cups RGS. I ask because everything I read deals with 90mm petri's and using about a quarter of a fully colonized plate...should I do one half of an HG? But RGS is usually a faster colonizer, should I factor that in or just go full halfsies?

Thanks in advance!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: wr3n]
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wr3n said:
mine looked like your second picture at first, i gave it time and the thick white blob grew in a nice ropey/rhizo pattern in all directions

the middle calmed down a bit as it spread, but stayed a lil fluffy and remained white



Thanks wr3n, everything's just like you said! The mycelium started to run away from the contam zone after the plate dried up a bit. I'll make a transfer from 10 o'clock, it looks promising.



To compare, the 'control' sample transferred one week later than this one:



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: haniblecter]
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haniblecter said:
Im on t4 of four different varieties and getting ready to go straight to grain and have a question:

How big of a wedge for inoculating a quart jar?

Doing 1 1/4 cups RGS. I ask because everything I read deals with 90mm petri's and using about a quarter of a fully colonized plate...should I do one half of an HG? But RGS is usually a faster colonizer, should I factor that in or just go full halfsies?

Thanks in advance!



You can use any amount from a tiny wedge up to the whole plate. A very small wedge will take a little longer to start off, but after a shake, it will basically catch up. 

Half of a holy grail is a good amount for a quart. I like to slice it up into several wedges for more inoculation points.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: haniblecter]
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I use about  a 1 square cm chunk per jar. Havent noticed a ton of difference in time between one and 2 chunks.

I think Im gonna try a quarter plate next time tho and see how that goes

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: mishro] * 3
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For me if I have a full plate ill use the plate cut into 4.
But if I only have a bit of colonization on it I'm not waiting for it to grow out I just chuck it to grain you'll have more mycelium and faster than if you waited for the plate to fill out


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: cronicr] * 1
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In regards to the speed and the amount of agar, I've found that it's more about the consistency of the agar.

And the reason sslc is faster than lc.

Most of my plates now only get about 1.67% agar.
Before Nichrome had mentioned how much of a difference just fractions of a % made. I just winged it (still used scale but was never super precise.)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LewDoja]
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LewDoja said:
In regards to the speed and the amount of agar, I've found that it's more about the consistency of the agar.

And the reason sslc is faster than lc.

Most of my plates now only get about 1.67% agar.
Before Nichrome had mentioned how much of a difference just fractions of a % made. I just winged it (still used scale but was never super precise.)



Thanks for the tidbit - I'm gonna try that next go around.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LewDoja]
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so what did this Nich guy say? curious


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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It was in regards to motility of bacteria and agar %.

But once you understand the basic properties and effects, they can be experimented with to accomplish various things.

So if one is plagued with bacterial problems, 2.5%-3% agar can aid clean transferring.
Where the lower agar % will aid in bacterial proliferation


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LewDoja] * 3
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APE on gnocchi water agar. This one I'm sending to LC and pf cakes with blenderless LI.



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Huskies]
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My first transfer from Spores to Agar. I see Contam?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Fiet]
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Look at the leading edge of hyphae. Is it going out straight or are they curling back in on themselves and look more disorganized?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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SupaThaRipper said:
Look at the leading edge of hyphae. Is it going out straight or are they curling back in on themselves and look more disorganized?




Hi,

I don't know yet but the Spores i transfer 3 day's ago i belive the white Spots are Contam

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Fiet]
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The first picture is bacteria and I wouldn't keep it around personally. Since your new to agar you can keep it to look at it if you want. The other pictures aren't clear enough for me to see but sometimes germination plates look a little weird. But listen to Supa who said to look at the leading edge. Is a little hard to tell at first.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: WyoMX]
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WyoMX said:
The first picture is bacteria and I wouldn't keep it around personally. Since your new to agar you can keep it to look at it if you want. The other pictures aren't clear enough for me to see but sometimes germination plates look a little weird. But listen to Supa who said to look at the leading edge. Is a little hard to tell at first.




First is bacteria the tiny spots? I thought it's Spore Germination?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Fiet]
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Bacteria looks like gel, spores germinating look like mycelium.

That plate looks like spots of gel, you get what I'm describing?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: DERRAYLD]
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White Rabbit LC on agar after seven days, just started producing metabolites. Thoughts? I am very new to agar, I’ve only been working with it seriously for about a month, and have cultured several hundred cups and have not seen one produce metabolites without obvious signs of contam nor within only seven days. It might be the strain, but I set this LC to a couple dozen GS jars three weeks ago, and a few have turned up with trichoderma in the past few days. It looked clean (on agar) the first time, which is why I set it to GS, but after retesting, I’m wondering if this is a sign of embedded contam?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: TheQueenOfDreams]
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I have results from my first agar day. Some of it looks exciting enough to share. Some I have questions about.

Info dump: Some glass (one set to indulge) and some HG. Pink is MEA, blue is water agar. All no-pour style. Yes the condensation was horrible. It left more water pooled on the agar surface than I expected even after clearing some and a lot of these plates were very wet so that made some results messy. Should I just dump that out when I open the plates to use them?

These are gourmets from purchased LC. I 5/6 look good to me for now and I think the 6th may have just been swamped by a water drop still pooled. 6 of these for inoculation purposes.



I post that partly to contrast to this mess. Both of these are the same set, slightly different angle.



First question is B+ LC that I already used. I put two jars to bulk and they've both pinned but there's something else in there for sure (Alternaria?). The water agar is all grain from another jar from the same batch. These look horrible don't they? I need to get a pure mycelium scraping to use water agar right don't I? just remembered after seeing that result. The MEA plates are pairs side by side. Top two are leftover LC straight from the syringe. That looks a different kind of horrible. Is that not-worth-cleaning bad? Or is that actually fine and the same technique that produced those tame gourmet innoculations just got out of control with that LC? I have other sources of the same genetics so I'm leaning toward scrapping all the subpar plates. Next two are one mycelium from the top of that donor jar (doh, more of that on water) and one with a grain. One of those actually looks like it might be a clean-ish sample worth transferring?

Last, for comparison this also has two plates of a different gourmet. These also look good to me so that really makes me think I got one bad syringe if I can get the other two to grow so nicely and one of my squirts comes out with that tame level of growth for 4/6 plates.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: SparklingLimeade] * 1
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I don't see anything disturbing there (though it's admittedly a bit hard to see clearly through the lids). It just looks like you got quite a bit of LC in the B+ top plates. The right two plates in the second row look pretty clean too - not sure you really need water agar for what you're trying to clean up.

The discoloration in the blue plates is just what happens with blue dye and cubensis (and many other species). The mycelium neutralizes certain dyes. That along with how wispy mycelium grows on water agar have made those a bit hard to read.

Take some transfers. Nothing looks a bacterial or moldy mess from here - and isolation of clean culture is one of the main reasons to use agar anyway. You're doing fine. :smile:

It's safe to dump out pooled condensation when you open the plates.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Phaethon]
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Thanks for giving it a look. Good to hear things are closer to the normal range of agar growth than I thought.

Some of the plates are noticeable lumpy in a way I couldn't get on camera which is why I gave up and went with overview instead of attempting excruciating detail. Is lumpyness in places that lack fluffyness is a bacterial growth indicator? I had the LC squirts dialed in so it was unsettling to get such a different result out of one of them.

Water agar was probably overkill but I wanted to try it out for experience and because at the point I was cooking the agar I was considering if I might have bacterial spawn. Now that it's in bulk and I see what looks like competing mycelium and a particular kind of wrong odor it made me wonder if the extra growth on the plates might be the wrong mycelium instead.

I'll try working with these and see what I can learn/produce.


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