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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: underfoot]
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underfoot said:
Do the halos indicate something particular is up?



Wondering this too. That reminds me of my light myc on the last page. I have 3 more plates like that and they all look similar. I thought it may have been from transferring too early since the ones I did 3 days later seem to be taking off more quickly.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alligator]
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I’ve seen some people with some really high number of transfers. I understand doing a couple transfers from the initial plate of spores, but if the second plate is clean and uniform, is there really any advantage of doing additional transfers or is that just to keep the plates alive?

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BTPB] * 2
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BTPB said:
I’ve seen some people with some really high number of transfers. I understand doing a couple transfers from the initial plate of spores, but if the second plate is clean and uniform, is there really any advantage of doing additional transfers or is that just to keep the plates alive?



I believe the general consensus is that if the culture is clean there's no reason to continue to isolate and you should send it.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RichMyco] * 4
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RichMyco said:
Still learning the search function but I'm having trouble finding any write ups on Master/inoculation jars. Are there any up to date explanations on the process and follow up steps like storage/use? Wondering for educational purposes. Links would be greatly appreciated. :crazy2:


Mushlove! :mushroom2:

EDIT: I did see Revs recent post on Li cultures, but I was wondering about alternative options.



I think this thread by verum subsequentis has one of the best explanations of the master/slave process. It looks like VS uses LC and mentions using slants, but I think your question is about the process more than the medium.

Search should be your friend, but sometimes you just have to ask. I have tried to find this one using search a few times. I read it when it was new and have been looking for it ever since. Your question made me try again and this time I finally found it. So thanks for asking this.

P.S. I should ban myself from responding in the quick answer thread because I am usually late and long winded.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Mr Piggy said:
Fungify said:
Hello, I can't do agar since I don't have a correct setup for the moment.

Still, I have cardboard clones.

1/ Do you think I can expand them on much more cardboard ?
2/ Can I use the result if any, to colonize a more suitable substrate ? (the idea is to reduce the possibility of contamination by increasing the mycelium added at the beginning)

Fungify



Buddy, we need way more info than that.  Do you mean you have placed stem butts on cardboard from finds of wild mushrooms?  What species are you talking about?  What substrate?  What are your plans here?




Sorry, you're right. Here's some explanation :

I have cardboard clones of GT (not wild), the cardboard is colonized.
My thought was, since I did that from stem butts, maybe I can use the colonized cardboard to colonize more cardboard (ratio 1:20 or more), in a layer fashion (approximatively ten sheets).

If that succeed, then I could use them to colonise a pasteurised/sterilised substrate. The substrate would be a mix of straw/dry herbs and composted horse manure (respectively 1/2 1/2, wet for the straw/herbs).
To maximise the colonisation, I would proceed in layers: substrare - cardboard - ... - substrate - cardboard.


Is this project a complete naive bullshit, or was it done before ? (I couldn't find any corresponding info on the seach engine :/)

Hope I correcly answer you.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Fungify] * 1
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Can you? Yes.
Would we recommend it? No.
There are easier ways that don't require much more than the tools you mention. Check out PF Tek and water tubs. If you can pasteurize bulk substrates, you can prep some brf jars.

I have seen cardboard used in very old threads as kind of a proof of concept or novelty grows. But it is far from fool proof.

More inoculant to clean sub does help with contamination, but the tiniest fast moving bacteria or mold can over take any mush myc if it takes hold.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Fungify] * 1
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Fungify said:
Sorry, you're right. Here's some explanation :

I have cardboard clones of GT (not wild), the cardboard is colonized.
My thought was, since I did that from stem butts, maybe I can use the colonized cardboard to colonize more cardboard (ratio 1:20 or more), in a layer fashion (approximatively ten sheets).

If that succeed, then I could use them to colonise a pasteurised/sterilised substrate. The substrate would be a mix of straw/dry herbs and composted horse manure (respectively 1/2 1/2, wet for the straw/herbs).
To maximise the colonisation, I would proceed in layers: substrare - cardboard - ... - substrate - cardboard.


Is this project a complete naive bullshit, or was it done before ? (I couldn't find any corresponding info on the seach engine :/)

Hope I correcly answer you.



That is not going to work.  Cardboard stem butt transfers are done with wood lovers, not cubes.  It's done with wild stem butts and honestly is an outdated and rather ineffective technique.  Cardboard tends to starve the myc and make it susceptible to infection or just plain starving.

For indoor domestic cubensis you must have a sterile culture, which stem butts are not.  One a culture has been spawned it is no longer sterile.

For growing your cubes you must use agar to grain or PF TEK to grow mushrooms.  We here at the shroomery disapprove of the uncle bens method and recommend you do not go that route.

Click the link in my signature to find out all you need to know about growing cubes with up to date techniques.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mr Piggy]
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Thanks Mr Piggy and ReverendMyc, for your answers.
I did not precise that my objective was more to experiment than to succeed in this, and by reading your answers, I guess any attempt has a good chance to finish in the compost :smile:.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: underfoot]
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underfoot said:
underfoot said:
Hey again folks, I would appreciate if some better trained eyes could have a look at this transfer I made a few days ago. And FYI, the growth was perfectly uniform before yesterday when I made two further transfers from the lower part of this plate.

The thing is, my agar plates were poured hot, which I think led to a layer of water on top of the agar, and the mycelium is very wet as a result. But, I'm not sure what I can do about it now.

My question is: does this water-drenched growth look like cube myc to you or am I simply growing mold? Hopefully my pictures provide enough detail. Thanks!



Both pictures are of the same plate.



The three transfers I've taken from the plate above look like this now:

Plate #1:


Plate #2:


Plate #3 (this transfer was made just 2 days ago with a new recipe):


How do these plates strike you? Sendable once grown? To be honest they look similar to what I transferred from, but the growth looks uniform and quite nice to my eyes despite being very tomentose.



This is what the edge of the halo looks like up close. Those little nubs are emerging rhizos. I have yet to observe a "halo" like that form from any foreign fungi, and I have looked at a lot of them up close. Maybe too many hours of my life even, staring at leading edges.



IME those halo styles are a genetic response to conditions. Your agar is the most likely cause for weird growth.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 3
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Nichrome said:
underfoot said:
underfoot said:
Hey again folks, I would appreciate if some better trained eyes could have a look at this transfer I made a few days ago. And FYI, the growth was perfectly uniform before yesterday when I made two further transfers from the lower part of this plate.

The thing is, my agar plates were poured hot, which I think led to a layer of water on top of the agar, and the mycelium is very wet as a result. But, I'm not sure what I can do about it now.

My question is: does this water-drenched growth look like cube myc to you or am I simply growing mold? Hopefully my pictures provide enough detail. Thanks!



Both pictures are of the same plate.



The three transfers I've taken from the plate above look like this now:

Plate #1:


Plate #2:


Plate #3 (this transfer was made just 2 days ago with a new recipe):


How do these plates strike you? Sendable once grown? To be honest they look similar to what I transferred from, but the growth looks uniform and quite nice to my eyes despite being very tomentose.



This is what the edge of the halo looks like up close. Those little nubs are emerging rhizos. I have yet to observe a "halo" like that form from any foreign fungi, and I have looked at a lot of them up close. Maybe too many hours of my life even, staring at leading edges.



IME those halo styles are a genetic response to conditions. Your agar is the most likely cause for weird growth.



@Nichrome, what factors would influence weird growth, in agar?

Carmelization? Ph?


@Underfoot
I bought a lighted jewelers loupe, it definitely helps to identify potential contams more promptly, and germination also.

Similar to this
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Edited by LewDoja (06/04/24 03:15 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 8
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Density, water content, nutrient type and content.

Like for example bacteria have a hard time moving across hard surfaces, so upping the agar content a percent or so will allow myc to outrun sticky bacteria. Then you get a clean transfer. The difference between completely immobile, to motile for bacteria that are capable, could be a fraction of a % of difference of agar powder in the mix.

When I intend to grow bacteria alone I typically keep the agar at 1% or less. 2% agar powder is too dense for a lot of bacteria already. 3% is way too dense for most bacteria at all...


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 1
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I hadn't realized that it was fractions of a percent, difference.  This can be  game changing. And I will be more precise in my weights and measurements.
Thanks

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Edited by LewDoja (06/04/24 03:22 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja]
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Wish I'd read that before I started PCing some new agar or I would've tweaked the recipe.  It's already up to pressure so too late. :lol: I used a stick blender, strained with cheese cloth as I poured it into the media bottle, and then shook the hell out of it. It still didn't that well blended honestly, so I guess we'll see... I really just wanted a more uniform color to spot contaminants more easily.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alligator] * 1
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This quarters trick on the  weight is definitely a sanity saver. It works with a quarter and a nickel too, since that's all I had.

Quick question though for people with a Presto. Does your little valve that pops up to indicate pressure (says "top" on it) come up while it's venting? The instructions act like it's not supposed to pop up until I put the weight on but it usually happens about 1 minute into the venting for me.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alligator] * 4
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alligator said:
Quick question though for people with a Presto. Does your little valve that pops up to indicate pressure (says "top" on it) come up while it's venting? The instructions act like it's not supposed to pop up until I put the weight on but it usually happens about 1 minute into the venting for me.




It will pop up soon after steam starts to blow steady. I start my vent timer when that lil guy pops up.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alligator] * 1
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It all depends on how much power you are applying to the burner.  When using dinky portable hotplates it may not pop up for a considerable amount of time.  When using my stove top with 16qt Prestos, the rubber safety valve sticks up shortly after a boil starts, then the lid lock about a minute or two later and thats when I start my vent timer.  I know technically it's not the exact time that the steam is being produced, but it gives me a little safety margin and it's easily visibly detectable even if the room is not well lit.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: LewDoja] * 1
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LewDoja said:
I hadn't realized that it was fractions of a percent, difference.  This can be  game changing. And I will be more precise in my weights and measurements.
Thanks

Side bar where is that picture in your sig? FUCKING BEAUTIFUL




Beautiful tea garden in Munnar. A photo I swiped from the internet. I drink a lot of tea and I love tea gardens.

Munnar is a town located in the Idduki district of India's Kerala state, situated in the south Western Ghats of India.The name Munnar is believed to be derived from the Malayalam/Tamil words Munu (three) and aaru (river), referring to the town's strategic location at the confluence of the Muthirappuzha, Nallathanni and Kundaly rivers.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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Thanks for the answers! That makes sense. I have it on the "power burner" so it gets going quickly.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: alligator]
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Hey so I made a pasty tub but am worried about fruit Flys and fungus gnats. I was thinking if I added more holes and added 1 layer of micropore tape over the holes that might be a preventative measure.

Am I stupid? If not do you think 2 extra holes on the long sides and 1 hole on each short side would be enough FAE? I do live in a humid area as well. Thanks!

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Trippyskies420] * 6
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Trippyskies420 said:
Hey so I made a pasty tub but am worried about fruit Flys and fungus gnats. I was thinking if I added more holes and added 1 layer of micropore tape over the holes that might be a preventative measure.

Am I stupid? If not do you think 2 extra holes on the long sides and 1 hole on each short side would be enough FAE? I do live in a humid area as well. Thanks!



I live in a humid area as well. The thing is if you restrict FAE more even with tape you'll get a more wet beaded surface that can make bacteria get an upper hand depending on spawn quality. If you dont have fruit fly/gnats in ur house then dont worry. If you do though put a half in of apple cider into multiple bowls, add one drop of dish soap to break surface tension, then cover with glass tight suran wrap, then heat up a safety pin and melt 4 holes just big enough for them to crawl through. They will love the bowls WAY more than ur tubs.


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