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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Polkahontass]
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Polkahontass said:




Nice lighting Polkahontass

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: salubrious]
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Im wondering what this void in the myc is. It was more pronounced when the myc initially colonized the areas on either side, but it seems to be slowly filling in. At no point has there appeared to be anything concerning in that area, it was like the myc just didnt like that little patch. I would say contamination for sure, but this plate was from a batch I poured when I sucked at pouring plates even more than I do now, so I almost wondering if its just some kind of inconsistency in the agar or something. It's a T1 made on 8/3 and while I understand I should probably make another transfer regardless of the plate, I kind of wanted to use it for a master grain jar, since this is my only plate nearing full colonization, but idk...that spot doesn't strike me as a problem, but agar is definitely my weakest area right now. I kinda wish I snapped a pic when it sort of looked like angels wings so I at least got a cool agar pic, but it has since closed up.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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First agar..yay! Honestly super excited. Done my best to read and learn as much as possible. Uploading one pic for now, there will probably be a few more to come as the days go by. Jeez it's a pain to get all the right angles for pics and still don't feel like its a good pic. If better is needed or tips feel free to say so.



All that being said got this bit of agar I got some questions about. I've squared off two areas of interest that to my very novice eye look like good candidates for transfer. What are your thoughts?

Edit: It's impossible to get a top shot because of condensation unfortunately..


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Edited by Meanwhile (08/13/24 01:14 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile] * 1
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Meanwhile said:
...it's a pain to get all the right angles for pics and still don't feel like its a good pic. If better is needed or tips feel free to say so.



I usually shoot from near straight above and illuminate from an angle (around 45 degrees, but sometimes a little more or less) at the side. I move light source and/or camera to avoid glare on the plate top from the light.

Important: turn off the auto focus on my phone or camera then manually focus. If you use auto focus it almost always focuses on the top of the plate, not the mycleium on the agar.

I show examples of the difference here:


Acceptable, manual focus, I moved camera up and down until it was focused on mycelium

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bad, autofocus focusing on top of plate or drops of condensation on underside of top of plate

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: nektar61]
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Hopefully this is slightly better. Note to self, dye next batch of agar. It's hard to get a solid pic between the semi clear agar and relatively pathetic myc.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile]
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My clone is pretty much colonized. Should I transfer this? It grew like a perfect circle

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: NotWimbo] * 1
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Looking great! I would have no hesitation sending that :shrug: but definitely take a transfer to propagate!

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile] * 3
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Meanwhile said:
First agar..yay! Honestly super excited. Done my best to read and learn as much as possible. Uploading one pic for now, there will probably be a few more to come as the days go by. Jeez it's a pain to get all the right angles for pics and still don't feel like its a good pic. If better is needed or tips feel free to say so.



All that being said got this bit of agar I got some questions about. I've squared off two areas of interest that to my very novice eye look like good candidates for transfer. What are your thoughts?

Edit: It's impossible to get a top shot because of condensation unfortunately..



I would wait a week or 2 personally. You get the benefit of looking for better growth and you also will know by that time which growth is contamination

I have said it before: I tend to prefer to transfers from more filled out plates instead of earlier transfers. I am not in the camp that the leading edge of growth is ALWAYS the best for transfers

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
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Interesting :takingnotes:

I have always taken from the leading edge just because it's mentioned all the time and have not thought anymore about it.

Now I'm curious if you have a link to your thoughts on the subject CB?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Dkeppel] * 1
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I'm curious as well. Why wait vs taking from the leading edge of one of those growths?


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile] * 2
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A big thanks to all who had the decency to share spores and wedges. You know who you are!

With that I share with you a part of what’s going on from my previous location with a SAB someone dear to me prepared as a gift.



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MycCycle]
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MycCycle said:
A big thanks to all who had the decency to share spores and wedges. You know who you are!

With that I share with you a part of what’s going on from my previous location with a SAB someone dear to me prepared as a gift.






Damn that's clean, what's with the what I assume are vents placed on the front wall with tape over them?


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile] * 6
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Fungi are totipotent. Totipotency is the ability of a cell to regenerate or develop into any other cell or into a complete organism when grown from a single cell or tissue culture. For those of you who propagate cacti pups, you'll recognize the term.

Even in the mature fruitbody, every hypha retains its totipotency which in turn can produce the entire organism from any part of the whole. This is why culture expansion and cloning work, totipotency is the underlying mechanism.

The leading edge is simply a grouping of quickly expanding hyphae. The leading edge is in a state of rapid expansion but is not necessary to select for due to the totipotent nature of the organism, any part will suffice; however, allowing the culture to fill out a bit will allow sufficient time for any lagging contaminants to incubate/grow, while simultaneously allowing the culture time to reveal which growth is most robust/healthy.

Leading growth/edge transfers are best reserved for known pure cultures that have been sufficiently worked to produce the desired outcome.

Here's an excellent example from a germ plate streaked with MS solution:



Leading edge is not necessary, selecting away from contamination is the primary objective at this stage.

The same applies here:



When clean growth is achieved, select for rapid/healthy growth from the leading edge once the morphology has been given time to develop:





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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile]
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Meanwhile said:
MycCycle said:
A big thanks to all who had the decency to share spores and wedges. You know who you are!

With that I share with you a part of what’s going on from my previous location with a SAB someone dear to me prepared as a gift.






Damn that's clean, what's with the what I assume are vents placed on the front wall with tape over them?



I think it's magnets for covers.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile]
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As of now those are poorly placed magnets for covers. I’m awaiting the end of the agar work (or another SAB) to place some lightweight plastic covers with glued-on magnets instead of the tape.

However, they work. I think it’s a better option than rolling cling wrap around it every time “I’m going in”.

Thank you for the compliment!

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MycCycle]
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MycCycle said:
However, they work. I think it’s a better option than rolling cling wrap around it every time “I’m going in”.




Whatcha mean?

:philososloth:

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 2
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Stipe-n Cap said:
Fungi are totipotent. Totipotency is the ability of a cell to regenerate or develop into any other cell or into a complete organism when grown from a single cell or tissue culture. For those of you who propagate cacti pups, you'll recognize the term.

Even in the mature fruitbody, every hypha retains its totipotency which in turn can produce the entire organism from any part of the whole. This is why culture expansion and cloning work, totipotency is the underlying mechanism.

The leading edge is simply a grouping of quickly expanding hyphae. The leading edge is in a state of rapid expansion but is not necessary to select for due to the totipotent nature of the organism, any part will suffice; however, allowing the culture to fill out a bit will allow sufficient time for any lagging contaminants to incubate/grow, while simultaneously allowing the culture time to reveal which growth is most robust/healthy.

Leading growth/edge transfers are best reserved for known pure cultures that have been sufficiently worked to produce the desired outcome.

Here's an excellent example from a germ plate streaked with MS solution:



Leading edge is not necessary, selecting away from contamination is the primary objective at this stage.

The same applies here:



When clean growth is achieved, select for rapid/healthy growth from the leading edge once the morphology has been given time to develop:








I appreciate the write up a ton. I'll give them time to grow out. Where would you pull from that first gt sample as an example? To my novice eye it'd be around the edge at the 1-3 o'clock or 4-5 on the edge as well


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Meanwhile]
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I don't remember, anywhere clean (free of milky dots) would do the trick.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Nimpo] * 1
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I know some people wrap cling wrap around their SABs to seal the holes. I’d prefer having a permanent non-waste solution to simply attach some kind of lid that doesn’t disturb the still air in the box.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MycCycle] * 2
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MycCycle said:
I know some people wrap cling wrap around their SABs to seal the holes. I’d prefer having a permanent non-waste solution to simply attach some kind of lid that doesn’t disturb the still air in the box.



I used magnetic sheets and acrylic disks to make my covers. They slid off easily, not much disturbance.


75 gal aquarium on it's side. Plexi glass front w/ 178mm arm holes and magnetic covers.


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This hobby has taught me many things.
Most of those things are patience.


The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Shroomery
The Official Shroomery Cultivation Museum
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