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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Syntex]
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I have never experienced any tolerance with DMT. Even after hitting four or five breakthrough changa doses in a row. Reset time between doses is about an hour.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Northerner]
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since the breakthrough assessment is subjective,
there is no argument about it having tolerance either.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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I don't see how one disqualifies the other. What if you're not taking breakthrough doses?

From the reports I've read over the years, and from my experience, even if you're chasing the high vaping xtal in and out you still reset within an hour. That sort of behaviour leads to lockout though, where it just stops working. I've got no idea how that works.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Northerner] * 1
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it seems like technically there is little to no tolerance, but subjectively, perceived, there is.

i've read it several times on this site, people who have overused DMT can't get where they used to

seems to vary


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: epilectric]
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What is DMT for you guys over other psychedelics ?
What it brings to the table in comparison to other psychedelics?
And also would you consider it the best psychedelic ? And if yes why ??

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: AlwaysHungry1]
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I don't know how he did it but I've watched my cousin breakthrough three times in one sitting, I'm talking all in the span of an hour, I think the tolerance is just how long your tripping for then its over and go again? Where as with shrooms or acid you gotta wait a week for another good trip. That's the other thing I like about it, its versatile, 20 minute adventure in and out, your not tripping all day and you don't have to wait. Plus its very easy to obtain if you extract correctly.


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Icon]
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Icon said:
Lol nah, I don't think it's that important. If "safe practices" is your concern, I'm not sure how you can find a 50mg, once per day recommendation offensive while openly suggesting people to smoke as much DMT as they want in a day, potentially hundreds of milligrams. 50mg is by far the widest recommendation, even erowid has that. Obviously efficiencies vary. Most people that ask about dose over the past 15 years just want to try it and are going to try it the quickest, least expensive, least efficient ways whether I bother talking about the better options.

Congrats on your "emesh". I've been using digital vapes, with mesh, since 2009 - the Volcano. I load 50mg but can never finish it. It just builds up in the mesh for next time. You're making a big deal out of nothing and completely missed my point about getting the most out of DMT. It isn't about saving 26mg on a 10 minute trip with an emesh dude. Get a clue.

I thought you said you don't believe you've even had a breakthrough yet, too scared right? so idk what experience you're speaking from. :volcano:



50mg at one time is blackout territory on modern vaping devices. Erowid is not a good source of information when the reports are like 20 years old and people still needed 3 full tokes from whatever apple or lightbulb they were using.

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while openly suggesting people to smoke as much DMT as they want in a day, potentially hundreds of milligrams



I never suggested this. wtf are you talking about? Now you're shifting the goal posts to just loading 50mg and not even finishing it? You waffle every time your bad advice gets called out, man. All I've said is 50mg is way more than necessary for a breakthrough dose. 20mg can get you there on shit like emesh devices, which are very popular now.

Telling people 50mg is the standard breakthrough dose is dangerous when modern vapes can vaporize that 50mg instantly and deliver it in a single toke. Especially now that you're waffling back to just loading 50mg and not even doing it all? If you can't see how it's unsafe to suggest this, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm also not sure why you're so proud to post ignorant and unsafe advice to people. Especially odd since you're crying that I'm belittling you for it, but actually try to belittle me. I don't give a shit about terms like "breakthrough" because they're subjective and unhelpful. People should use DMT and other psychedelics however they see fit for their personality, health situation, and mind state. A breakthrough doesn't need to be a goal and is only a dick measuring contest to children. I also don't give a shit about proving how tough I am with psychedelics because psychedelics will always win.

It's funny how hallucinogens sometimes just reinforce and inflate the ego for some people. Grow up, dude. Nobody cares about how many bong rips you can take.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said:
50mg at one time is blackout territory on modern vaping devices. Erowid is not a good source of information when the reports are like 20 years old and people still needed 3 full tokes from whatever apple or lightbulb they were using. Now you're shifting the goal posts to just loading 50mg and not ever finishing it? You waffle every time your bad advice gets called out, man.

Not sure why you're so proud to post ignorant and unsafe advice to people. Especially odd since you're crying that I'm belittling you for it, but actually try to belittle me. I don't give a shit about terms like "breakthrough" because they're subjective and unhelpful. People should use DMT and other psychedelics however they see fit for their personality, safety situation, and mind state. I also don't give a shit about proving how tough I am with psychedelics because psychedelics will always win.

It's funny how psychs sometimes reinforce and inflate the ego for some people. Grow up, dude. Nobody cares about how many bong rips you can take.



Forgive me for not expecting to be called out on 50mg. I didn't think ahead about retards needing a full essay written disclaiming how I personally use DMT and the multitude of different ways it could be done. There's far more people doing it out of recycled materials (machine) and such, than there are people investing in commercial vaporizers. 50mg isn't overkill buddy, it's meant for the novice to still reach a strong level, whether they do it right or efficiently. People that know how to do it or have efficient devices don't need the advice and already know how much they need to use. You've gone far out of your way to start some irrelevant conversation just to hear yourself talk. This whole discussion is pointless.

If you don't want to breakthrough, that's fine, just stfu about something you know nothing about. Never done a single extraction. Never broken through. Only ever tried a vape cartridge. Never tried harmalas. Why the fuq are you even talking.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Icon]
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If 20mg is enough for reliable breakthroughs, recommending 50mg as the "standard" to achieve breakthrough is indeed terrible advice. 30mg more than necessary is indeed overkill, but whatever.  I don't feel like nuking another thread trying to explain basic shit to you again. Especially since you're pretending you were giving a figure for newbies you know won't efficiently vape it, as if that isn't completely silly. :rolleyes: Have a good one.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: stareatclouds] * 1
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stareatclouds said:
If 20mg is enough for reliable breakthroughs, recommending 50mg as the "standard" to achieve breakthrough is indeed terrible advice. 30mg more than necessary is indeed overkill, but whatever.  I don't feel like nuking another thread trying to explain basic shit to you again. Especially since you're pretending you were giving a figure for newbies you know won't efficiently vape it, as if that isn't completely silly. :rolleyes: Have a good one.



" I don't feel like nuking another thread trying to explain basic shit" Then why do you keep trying to correct me on stuff that we all agree can vary? There's room for me to say 50mg, and for you to say 20mg. You didn't have to be so ridiculously anal about my suggestion, without even attempting to understand where I'm coming from.

You think I haven't tried to coach hundreds of people on the best ways to do it? Check my post history. Go around linking your emesh to people and try to convince them, see how many bother. No one gives a shit about saving 20mg on something they're only gonna do once or a few times. You're still on the same cart.

Edited by Icon (06/08/24 07:24 PM)

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: stareatclouds]
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I've personally never needed 50mg, but some people are built different


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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: acidninja]
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I don't have an emesh. I use 510 threaded vapes with ejuice. People already use emesh, dude. It's not some invention of mine that I'm preaching :lol:

What year are you living in? It has nothing to do with saving mg. It has to do with not vaping 2-3x what is needed in a single rip. I don't know how many more ways I can explain something so simple, tbh. I get that you have some garden hose rigged up to tin foil and throwing 50mg down is safe because you're burning plastic and taking knife hits or some shit.

But modern vaping devices can instantly vaporize all of the 20mg and deliver it in a single toke. When that's all you need for a full breakthrough, adding 30mg on top of it, which will vaporize, is idiotic. Do you think once you hit a breakthrough level, that's the ceiling? People blackout and don't remember shit or have awful times when they do way more than necessary. You don't consider that bad/unsafe advice. I do. I prefer people know what they're doing and what threshold actually IS needed for certain levels reached.

Anyway, it seems you've walked it back that 50mg is the standard to reach BT. You meant loading 50mg and getting a lot less than that inhaled or vaporized because your setup is inefficient. Good, we agree now. Hallelujah!

No, there isn't both room for saying 50mg is the standard amount to reach BT when that's complete horseshit. They are mutually exclusive unless you're some freak of nature. This shit is like saying 7g of cubes is the standard dose to see visuals or something. And then when someone presses you on the dangers of first-timers eating 1/4 ounce, you're like, "Yeah, but most new people will actually find the taste disgusting and spit half of them out. That's what I meant, retard!"

A recommendation as "standard" that is actually more than double what is needed is bad advice. And it's not pedantry to correct it, man.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said:
I don't have an emesh. I use 510 threaded vapes with ejuice. People already use emesh, dude. It's not some invention of mine that I'm preaching :lol:

What year are you living in? It has nothing to do with saving mg. It has to do with not vaping 2-3x a blackout dose in a single rip. I don't know how many more ways I can explain something so simple, tbh. I get that you have some garden hose rigged up to tin foil and throwing 50mg down is safe because you're burning plastic and taking knife hits or some shit.

But modern vaping devices can instantly vaporize all of the 20mg and deliver it in a single toke. When that's all you need for a full breakthrough, adding 30mg on top of it, which will vaporize, is idiotic. Do you think once you hit a breakthrough level, that's the ceiling?

Anyway, it seems you've walked it back that 50mg is the standard to reach BT. You meant loading 50mg and getting a lot less than that inhaled or vaporized. Good, we agree now. Hallelujah!



Well my vape doesn't just instantly vaporize everything inside it in one poof. That's not how it works. I could load mine with 50mg or 100mg, it's only going to vaporize as much as I draw, and the rest sits. You are taking one example of smoking it, and applying that to every person including me. This is like me saying WOAH BUDDY 1g in your e-juice cart, HOLD UP that's not safe!

Edited by Northerner (06/09/24 01:00 AM)

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Icon]
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Man, I'm trying to be polite, but the combo of completely stupid and annoyingly rude is really testing me. Especially when I get banned for less. Yes, your vape doesn't instantly vaporize it all! That's the point. You AREN'T actually doing 50mg like you're telling people is STANDARD NEEDED FOR BREAKTHROUGH.

And I am telling you that many of the popular vaping devices these days ACTUALLY DO VAPORIZE IT ALL EXTREMELY EFFICIENTLY, DELIVRED IN A SINGLE TOKE. This is the entire fucking pond of water I'm trying to lead you to! Again, by your own admission, you are now saying you don't actually do the full 50mg BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INEFFICIENT, DATED SETUP. The onus should be on you to clarify that you load up 50mg and don't actually do it all, not assume everybody will also be using some shitty setup.

In conclusion, far, far less than 50mg is needed to reach breakthrough level trips. If you are sandwiching some eyeballed pinch of DMT between nugs of Mexican brick weed in some old 4Loko can pipe like the thousands of ICP fans that Icon has guided in his shamanic garage/tattoo parlor, sure, load up whatever because who fucking knows what you're going to actually vaporize?

If you're one of us retards who has $60 to spend on modern devices that instantly vaporize whatever you load on the mesh screen, please start at something like 5mg and work your way up if you're new.

Edited by Northerner (06/09/24 01:01 AM)

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said:
You ARENT actually doing 50mg like you're telling people is STANDARD NEEDED FOR BREAKTHROUGH.




I never said you need that much, just that it was the standard. That should have been common sense... I even disclaimed in the other thread "This is overkill" Way before you started this rant. So we were always in agreement, you just won't give up the opportunity to start shit. What is this, like 10 posts now circling around the most retarded fucking argument you've ever made?
stareatclouds said:
by your own admission, you are now saying you don't actually do the full 50mg BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INEFFICIENT, DATED SETUP.




If I don't need to do the whole 50mg, wouldn't that mean it was efficient? You're not even making sense.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Icon]
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50mg is standard breakthrough dose. It's a little overkill actually but it helps forgive mistakes in technique.



1. 50mg is not a standard breakthrough dose.
2. It's not "a little overkill actually", but over 2x what is needed.

It's just bad advice that assumes everyone will have the same inefficient setup as you.


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If don't need to do the whole 50mg, wouldn't that mean it was efficient?



If you can reach breakthrough without doing the whole 50mg, it means two things:

1. 50mg is indeed not required for breakthrough.
2. A large racehorse may have stomped on your head, repeatedly, when you were a child.

Why is this so difficult for you? :lol:

"You're right. I was actually overshooting a lot for my specific setup. I should've mentioned that I don't actually even clear the 50mg and a lot is left in the bowl I glued into that old whiskey bottle I found by the river. I actually have no idea how much I'm actually ingesting because I throw down 50mg, inhale, and throw away whatever is left there. By the way, what's this futuristic device, Mr. Science Man? Sounds like a left-wing lie! What's that? E-mesh? Please talk into my good ear, sonny. *holds old horn-like object to ear* WHAT? A BEE'S NEST? WHERE?!"

This dude has an onion on his belt, for sure.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: stareatclouds]
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So I'm looking back, where did I say you need to take 50mg? This all started when you replied to me saying "If it took you 50mg the first, and an hour later you do 50mg again, it's not gonna be the same." I'm using a hypothetical amount here, not saying you need 50mg or I need 50mg. Have you heard the saying "shoot for the moon, aim for the stars"? That's the widely accepted technique, nothing wrong with loading more than you need.

Haha, you dunno what the volcano is do you? It's the mother of all vapes. Putting you on block bud so enjoy the last words.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Icon]
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You said it in the same post you referenced with the "overkill" mention. It's the same post you said you don't think vapes exist that can even handle 50mg in one go. You know, before you started trying to walk it back. But hey, take your pick, buddy.

Another gem from you: "You need to finish the entire 50mg in about 60 seconds to breakthrough." Anyway, commence the waffling and kettle logic. "I didn't say that! But even if I did, I meant something else!"

:lol:

All of this to avoid saying, "Ah, I guess I'm off with somewhat dated info. Sorry, sir."

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Mr. Toxic Waste]
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And about "blackouts". I wouldn't say it's necessarily from overdosing. I've had blackouts / lockouts, mainly when I started using it too frequently.
When you go for a breakthrough you're essentially blacked out anyway, physically. A 10 minute breakthrough or 10 minute blackout, in the end there's not much difference except that you'd be bummed and frustrated that you didn't experience much. I'd much rather make a mistake where nothing happened at all than underdose and feel the awkward tension of hyperspace with all of my human emotions asserting their influence. Maybe stareatclouds should save a few extra mg for the next time he gets anally probed by the entities, so he can just blackout since it's that simple.

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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Icon]
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You post terrible advice with outdated information. You then call people retards for educating you. You've posted the same shitty advice dozens of times over the years and are pretending everyone else must be an idiot for noticing it.

You also make fun of people for having (what you believe to be) traumatic experiences on psychedelics. Why? Given that many people have actually felt/been raped in these experiences, I don't really think it's that funny to joke about. I mean, beyond just being a lazy and unfunny line, it's another irresponsible post from you. All you're doing is fostering an environment where people who've had difficult trips feel less comfortable seeking advice. Given that people show up here in the midst of currently ongoing bad trips, I find that kind of attitude in poor taste.

The extra 30mg for a breakthrough dose would remain in the jar, hombre. No saving needed. You'd load the 20mg onto the coils of a modern vape that handles freebase/wax and vaporize it. I seriously don't know what's going on on your end where this is tripping you up. There is no need for overshooting the mg to avoid doing too little.

You. can. load. exact. amounts. and. vaporize. all. of. it. in. seconds. Christ.



Look how easy that is! Read the reviews from people using emesh. Some neat advice in that thread you might appreciate (or call them retards for):

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Chart for common dose sizes said:
Threshold: 5-10mg (none to very slight CEV's & OEV's psychedelic thought patterns)
Low: 10-15mg (none to slight CEV's and very slight OEV's possible)
Common: 15-30mg (Most common Breakthrough range)
High: 30-45mg (Pretty insane, can be very difficult to handle for some)
Overkill: 45mg and up (Not Recommended, most who vape this properly NEVER do it again)
Get a good Scale



We're at an impasse and I've said enough to convey the point (even though you still don't seem to understand).  Hopefully you'll be more clear in the future when recommending dosage for breakthroughs. It shouldn't be an insult to you and you shouldn't feel belittled. Later.

Edited by stareatclouds (06/08/24 09:13 PM)

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