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Lol nah, I don't think it's that important. If "safe practices" is your concern, I'm not sure how you can find a 50mg, once per day recommendation offensive while openly suggesting people to smoke as much DMT as they want in a day, potentially hundreds of milligrams. 50mg is by far the widest recommendation, even erowid has that. Obviously efficiencies vary. Most people that ask about dose over the past 15 years just want to try it and are going to try it the quickest, least expensive, least efficient ways whether I bother talking about the better options.

Congrats on your "emesh". I've been using digital vapes, with mesh, since 2009 - the Volcano. I load 50mg but can never finish it. It just builds up in the mesh for next time. You're making a big deal out of nothing and completely missed my point about getting the most out of DMT. It isn't about saving 26mg on a 10 minute trip with an emesh dude. Get a clue.

I thought you said you don't believe you've even had a breakthrough yet, too scared right? so idk what experience you're speaking from.

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while openly suggesting people to smoke as much DMT as they want in a day, potentially hundreds of milligrams

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stareatclouds said:

50mg at one time is blackout territory on modern vaping devices. Erowid is not a good source of information when the reports are like 20 years old and people still needed 3 full tokes from whatever apple or lightbulb they were using. Now you're shifting the goal posts to just loading 50mg and not ever finishing it? You waffle every time your bad advice gets called out, man.

Not sure why you're so proud to post ignorant and unsafe advice to people. Especially odd since you're crying that I'm belittling you for it, but actually try to belittle me. I don't give a shit about terms like "breakthrough" because they're subjective and unhelpful. People should use DMT and other psychedelics however they see fit for their personality, safety situation, and mind state. I also don't give a shit about proving how tough I am with psychedelics because psychedelics will always win.

It's funny how psychs sometimes reinforce and inflate the ego for some people. Grow up, dude. Nobody cares about how many bong rips you can take.

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stareatclouds said:

If 20mg is enough for reliable breakthroughs, recommending 50mg as the "standard" to achieve breakthrough is indeed terrible advice. 30mg more than necessary is indeed overkill, but whatever.  I don't feel like nuking another thread trying to explain basic shit to you again. Especially since you're pretending you were giving a figure for newbies you know won't efficiently vape it, as if that isn't completely silly. Have a good one.

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stareatclouds said:

I don't have an emesh. I use 510 threaded vapes with ejuice. People already use emesh, dude. It's not some invention of mine that I'm preaching

What year are you living in? It has nothing to do with saving mg. It has to do with not vaping 2-3x a blackout dose in a single rip. I don't know how many more ways I can explain something so simple, tbh. I get that you have some garden hose rigged up to tin foil and throwing 50mg down is safe because you're burning plastic and taking knife hits or some shit.

But modern vaping devices can instantly vaporize all of the 20mg and deliver it in a single toke. When that's all you need for a full breakthrough, adding 30mg on top of it, which will vaporize, is idiotic. Do you think once you hit a breakthrough level, that's the ceiling?

Anyway, it seems you've walked it back that 50mg is the standard to reach BT. You meant loading 50mg and getting a lot less than that inhaled or vaporized. Good, we agree now. Hallelujah!

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stareatclouds said:

You ARENT actually doing 50mg like you're telling people is STANDARD NEEDED FOR BREAKTHROUGH.

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stareatclouds said:

by your own admission, you are now saying you don't actually do the full 50mg BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INEFFICIENT, DATED SETUP.

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50mg is standard breakthrough dose. It's a little overkill actually but it helps forgive mistakes in technique.

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If don't need to do the whole 50mg, wouldn't that mean it was efficient?

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If you can reach breakthrough without doing the whole 50mg, it means two things:

1. 50mg is indeed not required for breakthrough.
2. A large racehorse may have stomped on your head, repeatedly, when you were a child.

Why is this so difficult for you?

"You're right. I was actually overshooting a lot for my specific setup. I should've mentioned that I don't actually even clear the 50mg and a lot is left in the bowl I glued into that old whiskey bottle I found by the river. I actually have no idea how much I'm actually ingesting because I throw down 50mg, inhale, and throw away whatever is left there. By the way, what's this futuristic device, Mr. Science Man? Sounds like a left-wing lie! What's that? E-mesh? Please talk into my good ear, sonny. *holds old horn-like object to ear* WHAT? A BEE'S NEST? WHERE?!"

This dude has an onion on his belt, for sure.

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Chart for common dose sizes said:
Threshold: 5-10mg (none to very slight CEV's & OEV's psychedelic thought patterns)
Low: 10-15mg (none to slight CEV's and very slight OEV's possible)
Common: 15-30mg (Most common Breakthrough range)
High: 30-45mg (Pretty insane, can be very difficult to handle for some)
Overkill: 45mg and up (Not Recommended, most who vape this properly NEVER do it again)
Get a good Scale

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