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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
    #28511127 - 10/19/23 09:45 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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I've encountered a lot of entities over the years.




Have you seen the same entities/entity multiple times. A spirit guide if you will?
Or is it always a different place with different entities?



Not seen. I had an invisible realm guardian/guide that used to check me on portal entry a bunch. He sent me to magical realms with other beautiful things, blocked me entry altogether and one time set a massive scorpion entity on me.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: ShiroiTora]
    #28511130 - 10/19/23 09:47 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

You just met a couple goofs.
Basically, you were at the mall. And two naughty beings thought they could play a joke on you.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28511132 - 10/19/23 09:48 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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Not seen. I had an invisible realm guardian/guide that used to check me on portal entry a bunch. He sent me to magical realms with other beautiful things, blocked me entry altogether and one time set a massive scorpion entity on me.



Fascinating, like that guy with the light batons at the airport?😂
Were they friendly when they re-encountered you?
Or were you progressively more irritating. Until they had to set the scorpions upon you?

Also, did they appear human?
Because Anna appeared very human in the dream. But I don’t think that she normally looks like that.
I know how dreams are reintegrated when we regain consciousness as best as we can by rationalizing what we just experience. So I wonder if she actually did look like what I remembered from the dream.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28511134 - 10/19/23 09:53 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Portal guardian was invisible and spoke psychically. Just a presence.

I'd been warned a couple of times not to show up with alcohol in my system, I broke the rules and got punished. Fucking scorpion came back through the portal and was attacking me in my bedroom. Could see it with my eyes open. One of the most terrifying DMT experiences I ever had.

No malice the next time though. I never broke that rule again.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28511138 - 10/19/23 09:57 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Got to play by the rules to ride.
I really wanna try a pen…
I know that it comes on fast. But I know also that I’m not gonna be able to go and do anything physically about what I’m experiencing. I would just stay in a chair. But being able to really go to the other places for longer than a couple seconds. The ayahusca does send me to different places. But it seems like I’m only there for a couple of seconds sometimes. And then I’m just flipped off to somewhere else. I would want more time to get to explore the surroundings.
I want to meet more entities.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 1
    #28511140 - 10/19/23 10:00 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Changa is the trick. Get to spend 20-25 minutes in there. Pens hit quick and throw you back out in 5-10 minutes. Too electric, too frenetic, over too soon to really settle in. Sure you can keep doing it again and again, but you don't get much time to explore.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner]
    #28511141 - 10/19/23 10:02 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

Ah but here’s my secret.
I am on an MOA.
So if I was to try that pen. I think it would last at least twice as long.

What’s your mix you use for Changa?
Because the Syrian Rue seeds did not smoke very pleasant.


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    #28511171 - 10/19/23 10:50 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I don't know if this counts as an entity. With mescaline I frequently have a conversation with the 'spirit of the cactus', usually in the form of the hearing of instructions. They're distinguished from my mental content just by a vague feeling that it's being instructed to me by the cactus.

Now, I'm not insane - I don't take such advice as a divine sign or something like that, nor do I view it uncritically. It's probably my body internalizing or forming the drug into a concrete message.

The spirit of the cactus seems to care merely about the best way to use the drug. It once instructed me to go for a walk - good advice at the time, as I wasn't so impaired that I couldn't walk, and the nature was much appreciated at that time.

Another time, near the end of the trip, the spirit of the cactus told me I was not to use mescaline again until I had better organized my life - like it was shutting off the gates of the drug. That was an important trip, in which I'd seen a vision of myself destroying my past selves, which I took as a sign to overcome and be stronger than my past. And as this faded, the spirit of the cactus had told me, no more. I took this advice very seriously - not because it was from an entity, but because it seemed to be very sensible in my circumstances. At the time I wasn't getting what I could from the drug as I wasn't properly learning from the experiences and integrating them. So the drug itself, in a sense, told me to learn better. And I've yet to use mescaline since that day.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28511174 - 10/19/23 10:54 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I think these compounds have certain spirits.
They guide curious users. You have to be open to even be someone they would want to help though. IMO anyways.


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    #28511205 - 10/19/23 11:19 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

On Ayahuasca I saw a realm of unborn spirits.
They were so pure and beautiful and happy like children. They had no bodies and were seemingly formless although very present.
They were in no rush but were willing and excited to enter a physical body, they were also content to remain how they were indefinitely until they entered (re-entered) the world of humans.


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    #28511213 - 10/19/23 11:23 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

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I think these compounds have certain spirits.
They guide curious users. You have to be open to even be someone they would want to help though. IMO anyways.




I think the chemical explanation is the best one. These compounds merely confound the 'gating' that ordinarily organizes and structures thoughts, resulting in confusion. And entities are merely the mind's own thoughts, but they appear confounded due to the use of drugs. The confounding, from the breakdown of normal neural structures, causes the structures that are ordinarily responsible with the mind making commands to itself to be confused with a random noise-thought. And thus the noise the mind generates suddenly appears, as a hallucination, to be a command from a spirit.

I guess I am a mechanist - there is no spirit, except that created by neurons for use within the mind.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28511220 - 10/19/23 11:30 PM (3 months, 7 days ago)

That is an incredibly clean and tactical answer.
But have you ever talked to a spirit. That knew things that it couldn’t know. And then had those things happen?
Because it’s really weird to experience that.
It has happened only a few times. But it’s hard to even talk about. Because yeah, I am a scientific guy like you.


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    #28511285 - 10/20/23 12:38 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I believe everything I've seen was just hallucinations. There were some organic or thing-like hallucinations, but I still believe they were all just images produced by my mind.

The one that comes to mind was like a spider at a kind of typewriter, like an accountant, or a secretary. It just seemed to be observing, or going about it's work as I was passing by. Another time there was like a psychedelic lake that a group of psychedelic animal like things gathered around to drink out of. A couple other times, I just got the vague impression that something was observing, but nothing very distinct.

I have tried on many occasions to transmit the first 5-10 prime numbers in various ways to anything listening, just in case. I believe it's all just hallucinations, but it doesn't hurt to try. Never had anything result from that. I've debated attempting other important mathematical progressions.

There have been very rare occasions where I felt like I got messages or like something was trying to convey information to me, but I think these were just from the unconscious or conscious mind, probably just things I was thinking about on some level or knew but didn't have access to.

The coolest though was the time I had a hallucination of skeletons riding on the back of a dragon that was flying. The first skeleton in the row had a cowboy type hat in its hand that it was waving as it was riding the dragon.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: nooneman]
    #28511287 - 10/20/23 12:40 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

That’s a reasonable response.
But yeah, it was really weird. The dream I was in. I was self actualized. Like I had already been there. And when I got out there to meet that person.
Do you know how in all your dreams. It’s just you fulfilling roles. So technically everyone in your dream is just you.
Well, I could immediately tell and feel that this was a completely different person or entity in the dream.
That’s why It felt so significant.
It felt like I was invited into their house. But I had already been there before. This thing was really complicated. It felt like a maze. But it also felt like I knew exactly where I was going so I didn’t have to worry about getting lost in it.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: GenesisCorrupted] * 3
    #28511305 - 10/20/23 01:39 AM (3 months, 7 days ago)

I have, many times on strong doses of shrooms. The first time was when I saw a vision of a busy street with blurry, dark human figures going about their business when suddenly I notice a gnome looking figure at the edge of my vision. It grabbed my attention instantly, it had color when everything else was in grayscale. It stared at me and I stared back. It was old and the eyes had a kind look on them.
Then it was gone, it felt very different to the rest of my visions at that point and I still remember the face. What it was, I don't know. I remember sitting there for a long time thinking about it.


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Re: Have you ever encountered an entity? [Re: Northerner] * 4
    #28511361 - 10/20/23 05:21 AM (3 months, 6 days ago)

Some cool shares here, enjoyed reading them.
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Very interested in crossover between how people describe entity encounters under the influence and communing in whatever form with non human consciousness in a 'classical' sense.
Passing off these events as chemical or projective in nature, can be healthy/appropriate- especially when it comes to interpreting experiences brought about from drug use.
HOWEVER, I believe there's a lot 'out there' it's just that the majority of people can get on in this life without having to 'come into contact' with it.
That's an endless debate though so to quote the homie fridgedoor from an entity thread a few months ago:
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I think we believe what ever we believe and that's perfectly fine as long as we don't hurt anyone else or ourselves.



That out the way, I'll try my best to be brief as I can or this will be even longer...It's hard to leave out what I count as important details.

This happened last year and relies on Triplogic™  throughout.
I drew this post it note soon after, "I'm afraid this is no place at all, for a being of flesh."


Pre-entity
Had been doing invocation ritual and long meditation etc night before on a lemon tek. Trip goes by really quick, relaxing and refreshing but uneventful. Decide next day to redose for 'recreation', 5g cubes 1g libs in capsule. Hitting THC concentrate hard, while watching Shallow Hal with my GF I start getting flashes of what looked like Baroque art depicting heirarchy in the animal kingdom, keeps happening as well as what looked like stock footage of running water, around this time she pauses movie for dinner.
Not much food in, got stuff for tacos though. I'm propped up at the counter chopping an onion w/ great difficulty (I don't condone using blades on psychs) and start feeling very observed, so closed kitchen curtain and got on with meal making.
I'm adding some soya mince to the onions, peppers, tomatoes etc.
Wait, WTF is that?
Looking into the frying pan through the red glow of the LED strip light, what I saw in that moment was 100% a portion of rat. It was so visceral and gross looking, ribs, spine & little bit of pelvis- pretty much picked clean of meat.
"You uhhhhh, you might want to get out of here." I warn GF of the 'rat' pick it up out of the pan and chuck in the sink, she talks me down and says not to worry, that it's likely just frozen together soya mince that hasn't defrosted.
We mutually agree it is I who should get out of there :lol:

Soul tube
After I'd dispelled the idea that it actually WAS a rat that had gotten caught in the manufacturing process (and I'd somehow not seen it earlier in the week when using the first half of the mince) it was apparant that I had been shown the rat by the observing force as a means of shaking up my perception to prepare me for something, to what end- I wasn't really sure. I go to lie down and make it halfway through the hallway of my flat. On my knees looking up, my ears WHOMPing and tinnitus going wild, the front door skews, becoming narrow at the bottom and wide at the top, towering over me and emitting a really cold blue glow. The window panels on top form into a headdress and the whole door seems  malevolent, patterns in the woodgrain forming a leering machine-like face.
It's not that I thought the door itsself as alive, rather it seemed like a way for another layer of disbelief to be removed. Another trick.
All sorts of (mainly visual) flashes happening internally alongside this and finally make it to bed where as I'm lying down, eyes closed, seeing some blue tube/tunnel I've seen before and since. Closest description is like how I imagine the Tower of Pisa to look like from the inside, top down, only infinite and each passing window is a soul/face/awareness.
Feeling spooked & tenderised at this point, I 'realised' something was trying to communicate with me, that it had been trying post-ritual last night when I lost time meditating and my redosing had left me succeptable, an open channel.

Looking up at the shadow of the lightshade, I was struck with the same feeling as when you're stopped in a forest clearing making eye contact with a deer, for example.
A type of mutual awareness.
The shape rippled and the point of focus seems to shift from point to point to point.

I was getting mental ZAPS like many of you will be familiar with and felt like I was 'being tuned in to' & said internally "Ok, I'm open to listening to whatever is here." then proceeded to have what I would class as non verbal communications ranging from personal insight to bigger picture stuff, societal evolution, predicted environmental events etc, a lot of ground covered and a majority of it I didn't understand at all.
The content and scope felt familiar to the abstract thinking of altered states but it was the delivery that felt very different than 'talking to yourself' or the internal dialogue warp of psychedelics.
There was no language component rather it was all ideas, images and concepts that seemed to be dug up from my own database of memories, understanding and relevant associations.
The sense of fear lessened as it went on and gave way to a sort of blissful unity, I remember trying to coax a name of what I was talking with and after a flash of the archangel Uriel ('light of God', coming from a lightshade... :rolleyes: so on the nose) being shown how stupid & human it is to name everything, how everything doesn't always fit into one box but also how the idea of restriction is essential to our purpose here on the physical plane so to make peace with it.
All of a sudden, the sense of communication completely closed off and left me tripping balls staring at an unmoving shadow on the ceiling, no character left in there and no feeling of anything looking back.

Tacos
This had all happened in the space of less than 10 minutes, my GF had loaded the taco shells up and brought them through. I slowly ate mine (with little thought to the rat) during the rest of Shallow Hal, the movie seemingly continued to impart the moral schooling I had just been subject to, stuff about 'background people' what it takes to really care for those around you, reading between emotional lines and changing my ideas around what it means to be 'good'.
The experience, along with subsequent synchronistic life events & heavily intentioned fortnightly tripping helped give me a shake up- encouraging me to take action & get involved with minor charity work locally, which turned into a regular role I enjoy.
As far as 'the rat' is concerned, I asked my GF whatever came of it the next day and she quickly replied "Ah yeah, that was just the jackfruit core- I threw it in the bin."
Cue me googling 'jackfruit core' and anything that could explain the artifact but every result looked nothing like what I had seen that night, plus it wasn't even a jackfruit product, it was soya mince.
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Every now and again I still wonder about what the fucking thing was, little rat torso looking motherfucker in the sink while trying to retain some self awareness that I was high as all fuck.

I understand skepticism here, I keep much myself. Especially RE the aspects that neatly adhere to iconography/images that feature heavily in my life/the books I read, other media consumed, prior experience and whathaveyou since I'm exactly the sort of person who would believe in this stuff.
But I also think there may be something to be said about how the chosen 'flavour' of these experiences is cultural and 2 people may experience the same event in essesence but see it through the lense of their most familiar folklore equivilent, for example.
I stopped caring about trying to prove this stuff a long time ago, IMO the lesson or impact usually seems independent of the source anyway.

There have been other times where I'm tripping- moreso on LSD- and become aware of a prescence that my cats seem privvy to, even once having to snarl "STOP SCARING MY FUCKING CAT." when it seemed to be causing distress.
The atmosphere of the room feels steamy or thick and the 'suspect' looks like a scaled up grey ameboa or paisley type pattern that the cats chase about that dissapears into furniture etc... Yeah, I know.
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    #28511902 - 10/20/23 02:21 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

99% of entities I encountered turned out to be parts of myself I wasn't aware of.  Compassion presented as a green naga.  Anger once as a big red dragon.  My parts often appear as snakes.  Always transforming messengers of my own mind.  At first glance they were TMcK's machine elves.  My own mind, aware of my consciousness, constructing reality.  And happy to see me.  Over the years though the elves manifested more and more as serpents.  Nagas.  Dragons.  Symbols of change.  Messengers of impermanence.

But I have encountered foreign entities like the terrorism of the drug war and fear of death.  Both were removed by the 'parts entities' mentioned above.  Both left residue in the form of habit energy but the main emotional component, or trigger, has calmed way down.

So yeah, that's my experience of entities.  Parts of the mind not controlled by the ego.  And garbage I picked up from the culture.

Which isn't to say they're not real.  They are.  They're just not something out there or someplace else.  Not quite me.  But not quite not me.


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    #28511928 - 10/20/23 02:40 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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    #28512078 - 10/20/23 04:19 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

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....  Not quite me.  But not quite not me.



which I think is why it is so easy to mystify it into something that is other than it really is rather than appreciating it in context as an astonishing thing jusgt as it is.


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    #28512081 - 10/20/23 04:21 PM (3 months, 6 days ago)

“Not seeing the forest for the trees.“


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