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MovingTarget

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Is DMT worth it?
#4128908 - 05/03/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is it worth tracking down the materials, and going through the long extraction process to get DMT? As I've never come across it before.
Will DMT be too much for me to handle if I find high shroom dosages overwhelming? Or does DMT take you beyond the point of caring? 
From what I've read DMT sounds too good to be true, please post anything you think I should know about.
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Yeah it's worth it.
It'll be the most extreme psychedelic experience you have ever had. Show you things you can't even comprehend or begin to understand. If you're not a fan of intense experiences it might not be for you. But you'll be just far out there you might not even be able to think about it being too intense.
You hit it. Then reality explodes.
Good luck.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: dr_gonz]
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Trainwreck]
#4128961 - 05/03/05 05:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trainwreck said: Yeah it's worth it.
It'll be the most extreme psychedelic experience you have ever had. Show you things you can't even comprehend or begin to understand. If you're not a fan of intense experiences it might not be for you. But you'll be just far out there you might not even be able to think about it being too intense.
You hit it. Then reality explodes.
Good luck.
How does it compare to the highest level shroom trips? With shrooms the anxiety after the first 10 mins is the worst for me, pains appear in my body and the initial stages of complete confusion. It gets better normally as the trip goes on. But with DMT it happens so fast... do you loose sight of self completely? Does it take you to places where you dont even understand what normal life, time and reality are? These experiences are amazing, and I would like an easier way of experiencing them than with psilocybe mushrooms. The shorter but more intense trip sounds more to my liking.
Bareing in mind, to ascend a hill on my bike I prefer to go all out on a steep incline than a long drawn out incline 
Also, I havnt seen anything about this, but is there any long term side affects too health? (other than brain tumours :p)
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Is it worth going to the moon for the sake of the journey?
you shoudl read this and then take a second thought
yes, it is worth it.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Todcasil]
#4128979 - 05/03/05 05:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd read it allready, and to be honest I've been interest in DMT for awhile, but that post you made is what got me researching DMT again.
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i've never done an extraction, so i cant say about if its worth the long process (although id say yes if you can get it pure enough)
but for me dmt was a LOT stronger than my 7 g mushroom trip lot lot lot
oh shit
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: dr_gonz]
#4128991 - 05/03/05 05:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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the answer to that question doesnt really matter... i thought they were open and maybe they were maybe there werent.
when my friends do it they are typically closed, buts ometimes they are open.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: dr_gonz]
#4128994 - 05/03/05 05:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i heard somewhere that QT's extraction is outdated and gives an impure final product. From what i hear Vovin's extraction is in.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: dr_gonz]
#4128995 - 05/03/05 06:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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mine were closed
dmt gives me the most unbelievably amazing, fast paced, overwhelming, intricate beautiful visuals ive ever had
then i die
then ..... haha well you'll see ... there is a lot happenign on the other side
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Yeah dude its really hard to explain. There's no way of telling how you're going to react and whats going to happen.
Just go for it. You'll never look at anything the same way again.
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ShroomyTunes said: i heard somewhere that QT's extraction is outdated and gives an impure final product. From what i hear Vovin's extraction is in.
Surely it depends on how well you follow the steps? Have you a link to the Vovins extraction?
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Ahh, the elusive vovin's tech. I don't know whatever happened to that, but for some reason he took it down. I used QT's tech several years back. I got crystals my first try and was able to break through, but the smoke was a bit harsh. You should probably go with elfspice's tech. http://elfspice.tripod.com/acacia/acacia_extraction.html Also, DMT world is back up and running again, so check them out. http://www.dmtworld.org/
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Trainwreck]
#4129035 - 05/03/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trainwreck said: Yeah dude its really hard to explain. There's no way of telling how you're going to react and whats going to happen.
Just go for it. You'll never look at anything the same way again.
You may be sceptical about this, but mushrooms have taking me to the inverse of everything I know. I think that I'm very sensitive to psilocin, and after eating I dont know how many abort home grown Koh samui I was taking to a place where I had no perspective of time or reality. I cant imagine anything more extreme than that!
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if you do the extraction right dmt will take you waaay further
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There are no long term side effects...DMT does not cause brain tumors, im fact, DMT is naturally occuring in the human brain.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Dark_Star]
#4129080 - 05/03/05 06:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude, comparing DMT to shrooms is like comparing catnip to skunk#1 There is no such comparison. & words just fail..it is everything. & if one wants to know, one must just go there & find out.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: JMP]
#4129085 - 05/03/05 06:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does JMP stand for Jazz Mandolin Project by any chance?
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Dark_Star]
#4129095 - 05/03/05 06:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Dark_Star]
#4129102 - 05/03/05 06:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ive danced with avatars of the universe on psilos, ive seperated myself from the karmic wheel and been burned alive within some circle of hell...
ive been many places with mushrooms, all beautiful and deeply poetic.
but DMT is altogether another level. Believe it.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Todcasil]
#4129104 - 05/03/05 06:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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second that
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: JMP]
#4129113 - 05/03/05 06:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually, I find high-dose (6g) mushroom trips are about the equivalent of a sub-breakthrough dose of DMT.
Once you travel beyond that though, there is no basis for comparison.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: JMP]
#4129119 - 05/03/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holy shit.
I guess the difference is really indescribable then 
edit: although, is it possible my ultra psilocin sensitivity could take me near the dmt breakthrough point when taking high doses of potent psilocybe?
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JMP
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eh,um..are you hearing us? NOTHING is like a DMT breakthrough..only more DMT hahaha!!!
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: JMP]
#4129338 - 05/03/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no, extracting DMT is not worth a 5 minute high that you cant even remember once its over, not to mention it tastes like plastic and burns like hell. Ayahuasca is the only way to truly experience DMT in all its glory.
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No, even high doses won't get you to that point.
What I said was meant to impress the degree of intensity upon you, since you obviously have some experience with mushrooms.
Like we've said though, the only thing like DMT IS DMT.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: dr_gonz]
#4129413 - 05/03/05 07:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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He stole it
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: dr_gonz]
#4129427 - 05/03/05 08:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks, i think that should bring my overall up to a whopping 1 1/2 shrooms. fuck it, if i cared about popularity i wouldnt be doing psychedelics.
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Like we've said though, the only thing like DMT IS DMT.
couldnt be said better. DMT puts other drugs to shame.
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yeah that's someone elses
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DONT USE QTS or any of the erowid methods...they are outdated and will give an impure product from what I hear.
Check dmtworld.org for current information.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: myndreach]
#4131263 - 05/04/05 02:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Will do, thanks.
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Just for additional perspective, how does the DMT experience compare with a high-dose LSD experience? Sounds very intriguing...
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Starchild]
#4131531 - 05/04/05 07:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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...it doesnt really
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which is better?
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Starchild]
#4131576 - 05/04/05 07:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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really that depends on the person i think...
personally i like dmt better because it takes me soooooooooo much further than any other psychadelic ever could. It doesnt tip toe around the truth, it blasts me straight to the secret of the universe on a warp-speed hyperdimensional rocket and then brings me right back where i started
However it's not recreational...or even fun really. With LSD you can have a very good time, enhance any experience, trip all sorts of places. I can have more fun with the visuals on LSD, with DMT I can't really cause its so fast, they just blow up in your face and then you are gone. LSD seems better at helping you work through problems/issues and changing your life around as well.
So really it just depends on the user and what they want to gain. I think lsd is amazing....but DMT is the ultimate psychadelic in my opinion 
"It is, to LSD, as 198 proof rum is to hot milk with a few drops of brandy" ~Robert Hunter
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Wow....so what I gather is that DMT blows your reality to pieces for a short period of time, though I'm sure it seems like ages while it's actually happening. Very cool indeed
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Starchild]
#4131722 - 05/04/05 08:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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When you've had a dmt breakthrough, honestly how long ago does the first toke feel like? How long does it feel like the trip lasts.
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Another question, can you smoke it in any glass pipe? If not does anyone have any pictures of the type of pipe needed? Theres pictures on erowid, but they arent very clear and I cant find a pipe quite like those ones.
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pictures of a freebase pipe, similar to what you might use for DMT
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I cant actually tell whats what in that pic, is there 6 pipes there?
Is something like this ok?
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It is for sure worth it! It was also about 999 trillion times more intense then the time I did 9grams of shrooms, and it was awesome!
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Starchild]
#5655454 - 05/21/06 05:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It can be worth it, but you got to remember that for freebase there are a couple problems.
#1, this shit is hard to smoke. It turns liquid very quickly and tends to run down your pipe.
#2, it is really hard to get enough in fast enough. Most guides will tell you to take three tokes, holding each breath as long as you can. Well that won't work. DMT will take effect really fast and you won't get past one toke. Not to mention the super harsh smoke that smells like buring plastic.
#3, it's just too fast. We're talking a peak of maybe 4 or 5 minutes if you're lucky.
Other than that my friends tell me it's great stuff.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: soulcircus]
#5655461 - 05/21/06 05:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's too bad the tolerance builds so quickly, because it's a lot easier to toke on that stuff after it's taken effect
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: soulcircus]
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Yes is totally worth it, but for me was a bit frustrating at the beginning. The first times I got very little results, (the secret is in the first toke!) if you don't does not mater how many other tokes you take. I agree with McKenna’s words DMT shows you the "impossible" One thing with DMT at least for me it always shows me something completely different, the other thing is that I see every thing almost with me regular state of mind, like if I was literally transported. I have seen several different entities, futuristic landscapes, and once I was in a room field with very advance technology. (like a space ship) Other times I see things that are impossible to describe. And once there was an entity that was doing something to me (I panic)I fought with it, in the end I think it was tiring to align something in my energy body or something so we can communicate better, but time run out. I have mix feelings with this substance, I don't know some times if is that wise to venture to dimension zeta, some of the things you see there I am not sure if they are friendly or not. I prefer shrooms any time, shrooms for me are more holistic it also gives more time to digest the experience, DMT sends you like a cannon ball to hyperspace. On the other hand DMT it pretty amazing. (at least to experience it once) The other concern that I have I don’t know how healthy is to inhale that plastic tasting smoke?
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: LOBO]
#5659208 - 05/22/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think the best way to do it is to inhale very slowly and very deeply, and hold that as long as you can. I don't think extra tokes do anything really. Just one long slow toke, and hold it in for like 20 to 30 seconds.
Almost every guide out there reccomends 3 tokes, I don't know why anyone would do that. Are there any 3 tokers out there who can shed some light on this?
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: myndreach]
#5662448 - 05/22/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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myndreach said: DONT USE QTS or any of the erowid methods...they are outdated and will give an impure product from what I hear.
Check dmtworld.org for current information.
For the record, I used QT's a long time ago and I had 100% clear crystals. I think newer techs use freezing as a way to separate the nonpolar from the polar, whereas QT's uses a seperatory funnel. Don't know if there's other differences.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: Disco Cat]
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I have done the ayahuasca brew (active ingredient DMT) quite a few times and it is capable of delivering trips that no human could handle. It is so unbeleiveably powerful, I would never have a need for anything stronger than that brew. I have never smoked DMT pure but from what have heard through many different sources, is that the pure DMT is technically more powerfull but it is not the same kind of profound, spiritual and life changing trip. What do you guys who have done the brew and smoked it pure think? which one is better?
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" think newer techs use freezing as a way to separate the nonpolar from the polar, whereas QT's uses a seperatory funnel. Don't know if there's other differences. "
Not usually. Freeze precipitation is used to get the material to fall out of the end nonpolar. Freezing is generally done with mesc, as you're trying to get the water out. With current d teks, there's usually only one seperation. The side that would even have a chance of freezing is, in this case, a mess of dark black goop and extremely basic water. wouldn't really work well. Rather, once the solvent is seperated, it is simply placed in the freezer instead of evaporated. Though, if you want it all to come out, you should reduce it a whole lot first. It'll result in perfectly white crystal. None of the oil/fat of just evaporating (even very little has a huge effect).
QT is fine except: It's pretty wasteful of materials. And: The way it is explained is for very small scale examples.
The easiest method involves much less work, and even better/quicker results.
1. Put kg of powder in 2.5 liter water jug. 2. Cover in water until it is all submerged. 3. Add hcl mixed with water. only 5 tbsp hcl MAX is needed. Shake. 4. Add all your lye water until it's jet black. Should take 3/4 to 1 can per kg. Again, shake. 5. Do your pulls with WARM naptha. Shake each one well and pull it out when it settles. If you take your sweet time, it could take as long as 4 hours to get your pulls.
Collect all naptha and reduce/freeze/filter.
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I like marsofold's tek best....Do you keep the lid on the crockpot while it's heating? Couldn't find the answer to this, and as long as we're talking about this..... Peace
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yes its worth it and like mushrooms, its something every human being should try. If you havent broken through on freebase DMT, you're missing out on one of the more amazing things this world has to offer.
the problem right now is there is alot of mimosa hostilis root bark being sold that is just not as good as it used to be, it could be a different species or immature, who knows. but the experience from the bad bark stinks. you DO trip, as it has SOME DMT in it, but its not what its supposed to be. and there is no real way to know if what you have is the real deal until you extract and smoke it. the crystals that come from the bad bark look and smell exactly like the crystals from the good bark.
oh, and deadhead, you keep the crokpot lid on. You want to get the solution to simmer. it wont simmer with the lid off.
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That's what I thought, but was unclear in the tek. I have heard that about the bark that is currently on the market. Question: I have seen 2 types of bark. One is a deeper color than the other, and is slightly more expensive. Does this color represent higher content? Would it be worth the price increase? The usual place for info is currently down, and saw this, so thought I would jump in. Peace
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That's very interesting, do you know how long this inferior bark has been circulating, could you go more into the difference between the trips?
The Dynamite i've been smoking feels a lot like 5-meo but more visual, comes on slower and instead of feeling like i just kilt myself, it feels more like space-alien-nurses are snuggling up to me.
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deadheadjpc2000 said: That's what I thought, but was unclear in the tek. I have heard that about the bark that is currently on the market. Question: I have seen 2 types of bark. One is a deeper color than the other, and is slightly more expensive. Does this color represent higher content? Would it be worth the price increase? The usual place for info is currently down, and saw this, so thought I would jump in. Peace
the 2 types you see sold are regular root bark and inner root bark. the only difference is the inner root bark has all of the outer stuff scraped off and has only the inner purple pink stuff, no brown outer skin. supposedly it has higher alkoloid content, I have never heard this actually confirmed. its usually not much more expensive, so if you have the choice go with it.
this has nothing to do with the current situation with bark.
oh and theres lots of other places besides the one thats down to discuss DMT stuff... and the one thats down wasnt allowing chemisty talk anymore. a really good site with a wealth of information on extractions and such is The Nook
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Thankx for the info, JeffersonDarcy.. And I agree, there's no way to tell unless you do the extraction. The best way is to find someone who has, and get the bark from the same place.  I got enough info before it went down. I'll check Nook, tho. Thankx and Peace.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: schmutzen]
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namaste said: That's very interesting, do you know how long this inferior bark has been circulating, could you go more into the difference between the trips?
The Dynamite i've been smoking feels a lot like 5-meo but more visual, comes on slower and instead of feeling like i just kilt myself, it feels more like space-alien-nurses are snuggling up to me.
Lol @ dynamite... never heard it called that. I like it I've referred to it as "the demonic" before 
anyway, from what I understand the first reports of the bad bark phenomenon started surfacing last fall.
I've never smoked 5-meo before so I cant comment on that. but since we've both smoked nn DMT I'm sure we can agree that the best part is the initial closed eye blast off into the pattern world (I have a hard time describing it, I'm sure you know what I mean). this is "the breakthru". sometimes it involves entites that communicate with you or touch you or do thing to you (you can feel it and it can feel almost orgasmic). I know exactly what you mean about the "alien nurses snuggling up to you". I've had something very similar but I would refer to the entitiy as more of a goddess than an alien, but whatever. theres usually, for me anyway, an intricatlely detailed gridlike pattern that grows and morphs, sometimes it is a place with strange objects or machines and what looks like written language. there is usualy a strong sense of familiarity. you have been here before. when you come back to reality after 2 to 5 minutes, you have this sense of amazement, awe and euphoria. this is accompanied by relatively mild mushroom like visuals... things moving and breathing, light patterning etc. in another 10-15 minutes you're at baseline but have kind of a natural high, just a general good feeling that can last days.
I think I have had the bad DMT and here is what it felt like: the initial rush is there, but the closed eye stuff is muted. the patterns are there but nowhere near as intense and just dark and muted, like you have a black tshirt over your eyes. you never "break through" (for lack of a better word). when you open your eyes, the OEVs are there, but no euphoria or awe, just a sense of dissapointment. The 2 esperiences I have had like this COULD be due to an underdose... but they are also pretty much as what I have heard as the bad DMT experience from other people. some people have descibed an unpleasant body load but I have not expeienced that.
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thats not foolproof.
my first and second extractions were from the same place. the first was great, the second is the muted stuff I described in my last post.
Someone who knows his shit advised me that the same vendor I used in my first extraction had a batch of good bark in, he extracted some and got good results. I got some from the vendor and it turned out crappy.
so its possible to have good and bad bark in the same batch from the same place.
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Yup, that's true. It's always a gamble. That's what keeps life interesting... It's always nice to grow/produce your own. Sense of accomplishment. I'm almost ready...
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Thanks for going into that explanation, I Love talking about the experience; but its hard for me to say whether i like the blast off or the afterglow better. Your experience seems right on with what happens to me as well. Last week I tried about 30mg to get the gigglies, but oh, no i was fully gone; the differce was the part after the breakthough was shorter or maybe i opened my eyes and moved too soon (compared to a larger dose). This bark was over five years old so i do know for shure its the good stuff, and i definately get a great body (and awe) feeling, for me it makes sore muscles and joints just loosen right up.
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Re: Is DMT worth it? [Re: schmutzen]
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yea... I did 30mg of the new stuff and all I got was a weak open eye trip.
how do you smoke it? regular pipe with a carrier herb or in a freebase/meth/crack pipe? a regular pipe is more wasteful but much easier to use and less harsh and in the end, better IMO.
what you have sounds like the good stuff.
DMT will stay good in the bark for a LOOOOONG time. its very stable that way. Its less stable when its in the extracted freebase form, but it still lasts a long time, especially when stored properly.
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Sorry to hear about that 
Regular glass spoon with the wide funnel. I put a little bit of buds in the bottom, a layer of damiana, the d, and more damiana on top. I don't think i've even touched the surface of what can happen, as i still retain some motor control.
I've thought about dissolving it into herb but haven't tried yet.
Maybe yours has less goods and more non-active alkaloids per mg?
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namaste said: Sorry to hear about that 
Regular glass spoon with the wide funnel. I put a little bit of buds in the bottom, a layer of damiana, the d, and more damiana on top. I don't think i've even touched the surface of what can happen, as i still retain some motor control.
I've thought about dissolving it into herb but haven't tried yet.
Maybe yours has less goods and more non-active alkaloids per mg?
nah by carrier herb I didnt mean dissolving it... just making a "sandwich" of it and inactive herbs (or weed if u prefer) just like you described.
and you can retain motor control during the actual peak? with a good dose (with the old stuff) I'm completely gone and dont even realize I have a body.
and yea, I think thats exactly what it is with the new stuff. MHRB is supposed to contain mostly DMT, with a small amount of tryptamine and NMT and some other mystery compounds. its possible if its immature or another spiecies that it contains a whole lot more tryptamine and NMT (both inactive) and less DMT. possibly some slightly active stuff too that make it less pleasurable and cause the crappy body load I have heard about (but not experienced)
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JeffersonDarcy said and you can retain motor control during the actual peak? with a good dose (with the old stuff) I'm completely gone and dont even realize I have a body.
On my one good dose (that i didn't need to finish) i could turn my head away and see reality, then turn my head back, close my eyes and see the 'other landscape.' I'd compare it to when dreaming; waking up and moving, then moving back to sleeping position and going back into the dream.
Some day i'll push that envelope, i swear.
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