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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Zakkery]
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Zakkery said:
Picture tax. Are the little darker spots in the mycelium contaminants? They appear as the Myc grows out so I don't think it's little LME nuggets.




Its hard for me to tell but it may be the beginning of hyphal nots / primodia. The mycelium gets real dense where it is going to try to fruit.

Edited by applesmasher420 (10/03/23 11:40 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: covertjoy] * 1
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covertjoy said:


40 plates poured, 4 different recipes (10 of each).

Recipe 1 (bottom left)

200ml distilled water
3.0g agar
3.0g light malt extract

Recipe 2 (top left)

200ml distilled water
3.0g agar
3.0g casein hydrolysate

Recipe 3 (bottom right)

200ml distilled water
3.0g agar
3.0g light malt extract
0.1g nutritional yeast

Recipe 4 (top right)

200ml distilled water
3.0g agar
3.0g casein hydrolysate
0.1g nutritional yeast

It's an experiment. I have 2 clones, 6 various transfers and 2 germinations to do. For each inoculation I will repeat 4 times across each of the different recipes. This way I will be able to compare like for like for each of the recipes in different situations.

I poured them a little hotter than I usually do due to time constraints so there is probably a fair amount of condensation. I'll leave them in front of the flow hood until tomorrow and do the inoculations at about +20 hours.

Initial observations are that light malt extract is more orange where as the casein hydrolysate is very pale. Nutritional yeast makes the recipe cloudy. Casein hydrolysate is much nicer to work with than malt extract.



Some earlish results on these. As one might expect, mycelium is growing faster on light malt extract (LME) compared to casein hydrolysate (CH). However, it does grow on casein hydroxylate. The growth there is not thin and sparse like water agar, just slower than LME.

I have a Ps. Cubensis transfer (Leucistic JMF) that is about 3-4 times larger in diameter on LME compared to CH. With and without nutritional yeast is not making much difference in terms of speed of growth however with nutritional yeast it is noticeably more rhizomorphic.

For some Ps. Natalensis transfers the story is very much the same as the Ps. Cubensis transfers. LME about 3-4 times larger diameter compared to CH. In this case the mycelium is thicker as well as more rhizomorphic with nutritional yeast compared to without, although the diameter is actually slightly less.

I have some Ps. Cubensis tissue clones where the difference between LME and CH is much less. LME is 1.5 times the diameter of the CH at most. Same observation with the nutritional yeast, the mycelium is more rhizomorphic with it.

Interestingly I have some Ps. Cyanescens transfers that are very much the same on LME and CH, looking healthy on both. Nutritional yeast compared to no nutritional yeast is more rhizomorphic again although both are looking good.

I also have a suspected monokaryotic Ps. Natalensis transfer which has shown the biggest difference between recipes of all. The cultures on LME are 5-6 times larger than on CH. With nutritional yeast compared to without the culture is significantly thicker and fluffier, again with similar diameter.

I wonder if CH would work well for long term storage, slants and the like, where slower growth is preferred. I'll do further experiments with different mixes of LME and CH.

I have mixed feelings about the nutritional yeast. It does seem to promote rhizomorphic form but so what. On the flip side it makes the plates cloudy with particles in and affects microscopy.

covertjoy said:
Just made spore suspensions for:
  • Ps. Hispanica
  • Ps. Cubensis (Stargazer) × Ps. Natalensis [F1]

Ps. Hispanica is from a spore print.



This is the second of two Hispanica spore prints I had. The first one I failed to get any germinations from so am having another shot at it. I dropped the spore print into 2ml of sterile distilled water in a test tube with a steel ball bearing. I shook and vortexed the tube then used a sterile pipette to transfer the suspension into another test tube.

The spore print is on card and when shaking it (less so vortexing) it decimated the card. When I was counting the spore concentration with a haemocytometer and microscope it was very difficult due to there being so much paper debris. Perhaps this will affect germination in some way. The card may contain toxic glues. Please don't use card for spore prints. The spore concentration is 1,875.0 single spores per drop (assuming 0.05ml per drop) with an additional 0.33 clusters of spores per single spore.

Inoculated 4 petridishes of different recipes each with 5 drops of the spore suspension in a crosshair formation. If I get any successful germination then I will do a serial dilution and inoculate more plates to try to isolate a monokaryotic culture.



Ps. Cubensis (Stargazer) × Ps. Natalensis [F1] used a very sparse looking swab. I pulled the end of the swab away from the wooden stick using tweezers and snipped it into 3ml of sterile distilled water in a test tube with a steel ball bearing. I shook and vortexed the tube and then used a sterile pipette to transfer the suspension into another test tube. In the final test tube there is about 2.25ml of suspension since the swab absorbed some of the liquid.

The spore solution for this one was much cleaner, I like working with swabs, and the concentration was higher than I expected. There are 5,062.5 single spores per drop (assuming 0.05ml per drop) with an additional 0.23 clusters of spores per single spore.

Inoculated 4 petridishes of different recipes each with 1 drops of the spore suspension mostly just to test it's germination and potential contamination rate. I'm planning to send the spore suspension directly to spawn for top fruiting to select an F2.



In terms of these germinations only 1 lone culture has appeared so far, of Ps. Hispanica on an LME plate. It appeared after about 1.5 days and looks very much like a mycelium culture under the microscope.

With it being a lone culture with no sign of anything else I decided to try to isolate it as a monokaryon. There were many spores around and amongst it so I waited a day for it to gain some depth and then using fine tweezers pulled some mycelium from the top of it and put it into another petridish. It was a small germination culture only perhaps 2mm in diameter and I couldn't visibly see any mycelium on the tweezers however under the microscope I confirmed that some strands of mycelium were transfered. I'll label this transferred culture as suspected monokaryotic.

I'm working towards converting my microscope to fluorescence to use Hoechst 33342 stain to count the nuclei in hyphae to prove or disprove monokaryons.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: jungatheart]
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jungatheart said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
been getting so much shit for this in my disco i had to come post it.  laugh it up, fuzzballs, but this is the ideal media bottle setup. you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.






I like it! Where can I get one?



the zon.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: BeefExtreme]
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4xMcKenaii T5

The last is T4 hoping to get a plin one day

GT finally germinated after ~14 days, got no good pic but made two T1 plates full of hope

I really need to buy more plates, this starts to get fun, got a bigger sab now, the first was a pure catastrophy







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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato]
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Hi all! I need your advice: I know these are not the best looking plates, but do you think that they'd be good enough to send to grain? Please note the little white dots, which I think are knots. Of course I'd clone that little fella (PE) popping in the top one.



Thanks!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Nerex] * 1
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Penis envy clone tissue on water agar





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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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First attempt at a cross and thought I’d go with PE and Jack Frost cos they were fresh and handy, JF myc seems to always look contaminated in my experience though, so took a few transfers and I’ll throw to grain and find out :shrug:

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: 3.A.M]
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Does it? I threw out like four JF plates I made testing a syringe because they all looked bunk and nothing like other myc I had personally seen.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Pnin] * 1
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yea i had that experience. fuzz bucket.  someone told me it always looks like that.  lame strain if you ask me..


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Yeti growing real dense but has this concentric ring pattern going on..
I searched a bit and people said it can be from temperature fluctuations but temps have been relatively consistent and it would be all plates if that were the case…
What’s going on?
(The deformations on the right are from cutting out transfers)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MicroMycelium] * 2
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It's hard to get a good pic through these holy grail plates. Nats and machine elf. These both were cleaned up on water agar then moved to PDA plates.



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: applesmasher420]
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applesmasher420 said:
Zakkery said:
Picture tax. Are the little darker spots in the mycelium contaminants? They appear as the Myc grows out so I don't think it's little LME nuggets.




Its hard for me to tell but it may be the beginning of hyphal nots / primodia. The mycelium gets real dense where it is going to try to fruit.



I've been seeing something similar in some of my Pan cyan plates -- looks like great, clean growth, then a little dense mycelial bump shows up. I'd been assuming mold, but I never opened the plate after transfer?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
jungatheart said:
BeefSupremeJr said:
been getting so much shit for this in my disco i had to come post it.  laugh it up, fuzzballs, but this is the ideal media bottle setup. you may not like it but this is what peak performance looks like.






I like it! Where can I get one?



the zon.



Can't find it.  Would you please give me a link?

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: jungatheart] * 1
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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: covertjoy]
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covertjoy said:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/NRS-Healthcare-Handle-Eligible-relief/dp/B00FRGQ77W



Ordered, thank you sir.
They have it at U.S. amazon too.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: jungatheart]
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I'm trying to clean up a bunch of strains using agar. Mostly dealing with bacteria. Trying to use water agar. Using a SAB and typical sanitization routines. If anyone has any advice, I'd appreciate it.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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CaptainPuffy said:
I'm trying to clean up a bunch of strains using agar. Mostly dealing with bacteria. Trying to use water agar. Using a SAB and typical sanitization routines. If anyone has any advice, I'd appreciate it.



Where are the strains at the moment? I.e. Where will your first transfer be from?

You can go directly from grain to water agar. The mycelium can move nutrients from the transferred media to its outer edge as it grows across the water agar. It will run out of nutrient eventually so transfer away from the water agar when the culture is about 1-2cm diameter. Usually the growth on water agar is very thin and whispy.

Same applies for transferring from a nutrient agar plate.

If you have fruit then cloning from a tissue sample would be a good way to get away from the bacteria.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Pnin said:
Does it? I threw out like four JF plates I made testing a syringe because they all looked bunk and nothing like other myc I had personally seen.



I never throw out a plate till I’m certain it’s screwed, means I’ve got a shit tonne of plates but most of them end up pinning eventually.
BeefSupremeJr said:
yea i had that experience. fuzz bucket.  someone told me it always looks like that.  lame strain if you ask me..



You probably didn’t talk to them enough.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: covertjoy]
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Thanks for the reply.

Quote:
Where are the strains at the moment? I.e. Where will your first transfer be from?



My last two rounds of grain jars have turned to mush after first shake. They were APE and PE respectively.

Right now I have a Golden Teacher monotub that is growing great mycelium and appears 100% colonized, but won't pin after 3 weeks. It's starting to smell off, so I'm assuming that it's bacterial as well.

So I'm basically starting from scratch with a shotgun approach to clean genetics. I had a bunch of 10+ year old spore syringes in a variety of cube species, as well as recently purchased PE6 MSS, and APE, Blue Pulaski and Golden Member live cultures.

The funny thing is, I'm having the best success on agar with the ancient syringes. They don't always grow, but when they do they grow fast.

Edited by PuffM4gicDr4gon (10/05/23 04:15 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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MPA->PDY making my plates look different

1) Mexican Dutch King T3 9-28-23


2) Mexican Dutch King T3 9-28-23


3) Jack Frost T4 9-28-23


4) Jack Frost T4 9-28-23


5) Ghost T3 9-28-23


6) Ghost T3 9-28-23


Lemme know any of these are moldy or i'm not seeing something obvious. The ghosts are looking iffy ( I think I accidentally put two pieces on each somehow but I can barely remember ) but transferable somewhere.

Edited by huey.bluey (10/06/23 05:46 AM)

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