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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ShroomNugget] * 4
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So people can't question a question now? I've never used food coloring because I see no advantage.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Trich will wipe up, bruising won't. Aside from that, mold spores are shiny and almost crystalline in structure. Reminds me of salt. You can see them, they're grainy.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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My brf agar is white as fuck. A lil dye adds some contrast.  I may just need to play with the recipe as I just started using it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mycolorado]
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QQ: Can I use a sterile swab to get spores that have dropped onto the myc surface from an agar pin plate? Do I need some liquid on the swab or can I then take it dry to a fresh plate? Wanting to do a multispore grow but I also want to utilize my first plin.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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NotFromGeorgia said:what's up with the spicy responses in here lately?


I was just stating that the comments weren't helpful and responding with a question feels judgemental when someone could just say 'better off without it.'

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tryptkaloids said:
So people can't question a question now? I've never used food coloring because I see no advantage.


I just want to know about green right now and too frustrated to entertain any kind of judgemental questions. I wanted to use green for normal agar and blue for my water agar, since red fucked me over. Apparently I'm going with blue for regular and no dye for water agar... since blue obvious works for me and everything else is complete shit (As you can see I'm in the process of learning the hard way that dyes can fuck off 😀)

However I still want to know if people have had issues with greens. Of the 40 plates I made, I have 16 unused and good to go.... considering green isn't fucking me over too. Here's a pic of my green plates. They looked like crap compared to my usual plates, similar to what was on red.



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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mycodemus]
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Mycodemus said:
Can I use extra pale Pilsner malt like this for grain spawn?
What about Vienna malt, which is slightly darker roasted?



I looked around and found a citation that about 10% of the starch in grain is converted to sugar during the malting process. How well the mycelium can digest caramelized sugar, I don't know. And some amount of the energy in the grain is converted to the sprout, which probably gets totally toasted away during malting.

In addition, you will be traveling some new ground when you figure out how to hydrate malted grain. The sugar in malted grain tends to wash out when you soak it... This is how you get sweet wort to ferment into beer!

I guess this would probably work but at some efficiency loss versus unmalted grain... Possibly a really big efficiency loss if the sugar washes out.

I echo the sentiment that plain ol' grain has to be cheaper and better. But if you try this, let us know what happens, I am curious!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ShroomNugget]
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ShroomNugget said:
I just want to know about green right now


my box of dyes that has green lists yellow 5, yellow 6, red 3, and blue 1. there are no actual green dyes in it.

I'm guessing your green dye still contains the troublesome red dye

tryptkaloids said:
Trich will wipe up, bruising won't. Aside from that, mold spores are shiny and almost crystalline in structure. Reminds me of salt. You can see them, they're grainy.


awesome, thanks


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Edited by NotFromGeorgia (10/01/23 10:03 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: NotFromGeorgia]
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Red #3 is the culprit. D3 tested this in this thread but unfortunately removed the images. They were extremely convincing, dyes with red #3 showed much slower and weaker growth than the control plates

Edit: people color them for contrast and organization and funzies. Red #3 is the only color I'm aware of that has any adverse effect


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Benson]
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the truth is without reading the label and knowing what the dyes used are made of there's no knowing what ones will adversely affect a culture.  I would take em to a batch without dye and see what happens, and if you really like using it I would switch brands


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ShroomNugget] * 2
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ShroomNugget said:
NotFromGeorgia said:what's up with the spicy responses in here lately?


I was just stating that the comments weren't helpful and responding with a question feels judgemental when someone could just say 'better off without it.'

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tryptkaloids said:
So people can't question a question now? I've never used food coloring because I see no advantage.


I just want to know about green right now and too frustrated to entertain any kind of judgemental questions. I wanted to use green for normal agar and blue for my water agar, since red fucked me over. Apparently I'm going with blue for regular and no dye for water agar... since blue obvious works for me and everything else is complete shit (As you can see I'm in the process of learning the hard way that dyes can fuck off 😀)

However I still want to know if people have had issues with greens. Of the 40 plates I made, I have 16 unused and good to go.... considering green isn't fucking me over too. Here's a pic of my green plates. They looked like crap compared to my usual plates, similar to what was on red.




They all look weak. Just take the dye out of the equation.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 3
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I don’t dye my plates anymore because there’s no reason to do it. I love colored agar. I think it’s beautiful. However, it serves no purpose and the mycelium is just going to eat it anyway. All my plates turn out beige in the end.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 2
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Smellyhobbit said:
I don’t dye my plates anymore because there’s no reason to do it. I love colored agar. I think it’s beautiful. However, it serves no purpose and the mycelium is just going to eat it anyway. All my plates turn out beige in the end.


Right on, same here. I had a color system and everything. Fuck it, keep it simple


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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I was just talking about this in my post. Shoot I don’t know how to link…

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28484896/fpart/2/vc/1

My millet was over cooked hence over hydrated.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Zav3r]
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Is this worth cloning because it’s big or size doesn’t really matter?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Zav3r]
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Zav3r said:
size doesn’t really matter?


If she tells you that she's lying...

But seriously that looks like an OK one to clone if your just getting started. Clone it, clean it up on agar, run it in a tub see how it performs and if it's not great you could take a spore print and try to find a better gene combo. I prefer to take clones from clusters but you may luck out no one really knows

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: WyoMX]
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Yeah my thoughts on clones are you can try to perfect the clone genetics but sometimes you just don’t really know what you’re getting. I’m no expert of course and I’m sure some people here have perfected it. But I think luck has a factor too. The thing with the “phenotype” is it’s usually a mixture of genetics and environmental factors. So even if you have good genes, those may be very well masked by a bad grow environment. The reverse can also be true. Or I have no idea what I’m talking about.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
I don’t dye my plates anymore because there’s no reason to do it. I love colored agar. I think it’s beautiful. However, it serves no purpose and the mycelium is just going to eat it anyway. All my plates turn out beige in the end.


Do you think that is a good sign of the mycelium viability?
I wonder because a few of my plates have had the color fade to that beige overtime, but some of them still retain the dye color even when colonized more than the faded plates.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: MicroMycelium]
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Alright so after nearly a year of failures Ive finally troubleshooted things enough to atleast get some yield out of my tubs. However, im not getting those thick pin sets and canopys we all desire. Im now thinking my grain prep has been a bit insufficient this entire time.

I use pennington classic wbs. Soak 24 hours, simmer 10 minutes, but at the end when cutting the milo or wheat with a razor the grains still have some white starchyness inside. What exactly is the consistency of properly hydrated wbs? Should I be able to squish it with a squeeze between my fingers? Should the starchyness be completely gone by the end of the process? Shpuld I simmer until I see some burst grains? Ive heard its easy to overdo wbs.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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AspectOfTheCreator said:
However, im not getting those thick pin sets and canopys we all desire. Im now thinking my grain prep has been a bit insufficient this entire time.


I can't speak to WBS cause I've never used it. But I've learned that getting godlike grows - besides having very dialed in conditions - is from propagating a strong clone phenotype. You'll never get an even/full flush from multispore, you gotta clone some good genetics


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Benson]
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Benson said:
AspectOfTheCreator said:
However, im not getting those thick pin sets and canopys we all desire. Im now thinking my grain prep has been a bit insufficient this entire time.


I can't speak to WBS cause I've never used it. But I've learned that getting godlike grows - besides having very dialed in conditions - is from propagating a strong clone phenotype. You'll never get an even/full flush from multispore, you gotta clone some good genetics


Seeing as how Im starting to get my first fruits, ive finally had a chance to clone.  Took some inner tissue from a big fruit (never got any clusters) and tossed them on water agar. Excited to see what I eventually get down the road.

However, I think I should still be getting better flushes even from multispore. Plus many of them are very odd looking mutants. Something is clearly off.



Some sad looking tidal waves


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Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (10/02/23 05:33 AM)

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