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Genocide in occupied Palestine?
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Y'all been seeing this shit going on or what?
What do you think?
Travesty?
NBD?
Unprecedented?
Business as usual?

Lay it on me.

Edit: thread title changed to be less click-baity

Edited by ballsalsa (05/20/21 11:55 AM)

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: ballsalsa]
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That whole zone is a shitshow, but its a business as usual shitshow.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: ballsalsa]
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This thread is a bit hyperbolic.  I wouldn't call what's happening genocide.  It's fucking horrible, though, and I don't think there's any solution other than the international community going in and disarming both sides and occupying.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil]
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It's one of my three likely scenarios for a nuclear strike.

Either way, it's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better. Both sides are controlled by far right religious nutcases that think God is on their side. Peace is not an option.

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil]
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genocide noun

geno·​cide | \ ˈje-nə-ˌsīd  \
Definition of genocide
: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group


hyperbolic adjective (1)

hy·​per·​bol·​ic | \ ˌhī-pər-ˈbä-lik  \
variants: or less commonly hyperbolical \ ˌhī-​pər-​ˈbä-​li-​kəl  \
Definition of hyperbolic (Entry 1 of 2)
: of, relating to, or marked by language that exaggerates or overstates the truth : of, relating to, or marked by hyperbole


:ancientaliens:

This isn't your normal garden variety genocide. This is one of them long drawn out genocides, where eeeeeevvverybody gets to join in and tip toe around the big fat arse of Israel, excuse me did somebody fart, phew, that stinks.

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Stable Genius]
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The question on if it's a genocide or not probably comes down entirely to technicalities right now. It's a systematic destruction of a racial/political/religious group, but I don't think Israel has been dumb enough to admit that it is deliberate.

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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ballsalsa said:
Y'all been seeing this shit going on or what?
What do you think?
Travesty?
NBD?
Unprecedented?
Business as usual?

Lay it on me.


I’m sure you know how I feel about the issue, but the recent attacks on Gaza seem to be met with substantially more resistance from people in the West as opposed to the 2014 invasion. What’s going on is apartheid. Israel is a settler-colonial ethnostate, and under Netanyahu they’ve been pretty explicit about it. I don’t see how anyone could define what’s happening to the Palestinians as anything other than genocide.

Business as usual? Maybe. Like I said, unprecedented resistance to the recent attacks among the US populace (and as such dragging the media and politicians with them), but Biden did also just announce a $750M weapons deal with Israel, and hasn’t condemned the Israelis at all, just a mealy mouthed call for a ceasefire whenever that’s convenient.

The last time the international community brought down an apartheid state it took decades of alienating them, boycotts and divestments, until eventually there were enough straws on the camel’s back that it forced the US to relinquish their unilateral support of the apartheid government. The difference here being that Israel is a much more strategic ally in their region for the US right now, compared to SA in the 90s. We will stick beside Israel until it’s impossible to continue doing so, and unfortunately I don’t think we’re anywhere near that point yet.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: The Ecstatic]
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/19/politics/biden-netanyahu-relationship/index.html

Quote:
The White House said Biden told Netanyahu "that he expected a significant de-escalation today on the path to a ceasefire" in the raging violence. The statement was a signal Biden is losing patience with Netanyahu, a leader he has known for four decades.

The description of the call -- the fourth between President and Prime Minister over the past week -- reflected growing concern in the White House over the conflict. Previously, administration officials said their objective was to keep pressure on Israel limited to private conversations. But that appeared to shift after the White House revealed publicly that Biden had set a short deadline for tamping down the violence.


We might be reaching it. Seems that Biden tried to keep this in back channels to avoid giving Netanyahu a ticket to the Trump show.

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Kryptos]
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It's an ongoing combat with both sides attacking. That's not a genocide.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil] * 1
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It isn't uncommon for an oppressed group to lash out as it is being obliterated

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: ballsalsa]
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Obliterated...more hyperbole. 

There are casualties on both sides.  Hamas is absolutely targeting civilians, although they are mostly unsuccessful.  Israel is absolutely targeting civilians, and they are far more successful.  If you want to discuss the problem honestly, you need to be honest with your rhetoric.  Using the term genocide is dishonest.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil]
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These people literally can't escape

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: ballsalsa]
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I feel like if anyone else would've made any posts or started a thread and criticize Israel/Jews, they would be banned for antisemitism/racism.

It's a shit situation over there without a doubt. I really hope America doesn't get involved in any of it, IMO it's not America's job to police the world

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
These people literally can't escape


Maybe, but the bigger issue is that neither side seems to acknowledge the other's right to exist.  This is why it really would take an international coalition to stop this horror.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil] * 2
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Ignoring the fact that “the right to exist” is a bullshit term that only exists to defend Israel and only Israel, AND ignoring the fact that Israel literally created Hamas to splinter support away from Fatah and in turn give Israel justification for a more brazen approach to their apartheid regime, Hamas has acknowledged Israel’s right to exist for some time now. They’ve been calling for a return to ‘67 borders in exchange for a peace treaty since at least 2006, 15 years.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: MightyWhite] * 2
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MightyWhite said:
I feel like if anyone else would've made any posts or started a thread and criticize Israel/Jews, they would be banned for antisemitism/racism.

It's a shit situation over there without a doubt. I really hope America doesn't get involved in any of it, IMO it's not America's job to police the world


America’s involvement is literally the only reason this situation exists.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Excuse my ignorance, but how did America create the Israeli-paestine conflict? I'm aware of throwing money at israel and giving them weaponry and turning a blind eye and  All those things are shitty but I dont understand how america created this crisis, it has been going on a long time.


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Edited by Psicomb (05/20/21 11:08 AM)

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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Ignoring the fact that “the right to exist” is a bullshit term that only exists to defend Israel and only Israel, AND ignoring the fact that Israel literally created Hamas to splinter support away from Fatah and in turn give Israel justification for a more brazen approach to their apartheid regime, Hamas has acknowledged Israel’s right to exist for some time now. They’ve been calling for a return to ‘67 borders in exchange for a peace treaty since at least 2006, 15 years.


Israel hasn't acknowledged Palestine's right to exist.


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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil] * 2
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One side is 48% under the age of 18.
One side is literally trapped.
One side has 95% of its drinking water non-potable
One side has had its sanitation system and access to medical care destroyed.

I don't think my words were hyperbolic, or if so, not by much.

Norman Finkelstein on the issue:






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Re: Genocide in occupied Palestine [Re: Enlil] * 2
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They’ve never had a reason to. The treaties they’ve signed they just rip up when it becomes inconvenient, because of the absurdly asymmetrical power dynamics. It’s kinda like what our country did to the American Indians. We steal their land, kill them by the hundreds, but every once in a while they retaliate and a settler family gets tomahawked so who can say which is the aggressor? Very complicated situation after all.

But like I said, all this continues at the whims of the United States. Nothing will change until we at least question unilateral support for Israel. An international coalition means jack shit so long as we hold veto power on the UN Security Council. 14/15 member states have called for a ceasefire 3 times in the past couple weeks, and 3 times we’ve vetoed it. Public opinion will continue to shift but it’ll take our media and our elected officials to at least pretend to be objective about what’s happening.

Israelis aren’t changing their minds about it anytime soon. Look at the fascist ghoul they’ve put in power for over a decade. 3/4 Israelis want the attacks on Gaza to continue.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-72-of-israelis-believe-gaza-operation-should-continue-with-no-ceasefire-yet/


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