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Israel v Palestine: who is right?
    #1615485 - 06/06/03 09:04 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I've been trying to figure this out for years. Both sides seem to have legitimate grievances, but both sides seem to have done bad things. Are they both in the wrong? I have heard so many arguments for and against each side,  and "facts" that keep getting disproved and re-proved. What the hell is going on? Who is "mostly in the right"? :confused: 


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Phalanxx]
    #1615492 - 06/06/03 09:07 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's the Hatfields and McCoys.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Phalanxx]
    #1615655 - 06/06/03 10:29 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Israel v Palestine: who is right?



Me.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Phalanxx]
    #1615661 - 06/06/03 10:33 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Try not to think of it in terms of "right" and "wrong," since those are subjective. The fact is that they both have legitimate grievances towards one another, and it's a matter of how best to work those out. The problem is that there will always be SOME Palestinians who believe that Israel should be completely destroyed, no matter how much land Israel gives up, and there will always be SOME Israelis who believe the land is their birthright and will refuse to give up any of it.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Phalanxx]
    #1615992 - 06/07/03 02:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard to "negotiate" when you are brutally occupied by an invading force. The Israeli's need to pull out of Palestinian land first. There really is no other way.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Xlea321]
    #1616099 - 06/07/03 05:10 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard to have peace when the young are taught to hate the supposed enemy.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1616401 - 06/07/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

There is also a history problem. Some believe that Palestinians were there first, but if you believe that Jews migrated to Egypt from Israel thousands of years ago and then were Enslaved by Egyptians and then came back to Israel, then Israel belongs to Jews. But Palestines are greedy bastards so its hard to convince them anything, all they believe in is that Allah is always right and they are always right, every1 else is a faggot.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: downforpot]
    #1616422 - 06/07/03 12:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

mother earth belongs to everyone not a specific culture or race. The problem isnt whos land is it or whos right and wrong, its about overcoming racism bigotry and learning about peacefull coexistence and tolerance.


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Edited by 1stimer (06/07/03 12:41 PM)


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: 1stimer]
    #1616428 - 06/07/03 12:43 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Most Arabs and Jews didn't hate eachother, but them some crazy arabs attacked praying Jews and then Sharon got pissed and started keeping the arabs at bay. If UN wasn't here Palestinians would be gone long ago.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: 1stimer]
    #1616714 - 06/07/03 04:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

actually, it is about land


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Phalanxx]
    #1616747 - 06/07/03 04:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Well one country took the land(Israel) and people from another country(Palestine) commit acst of violence because they are upset over their stolen land.

So you tell me.


I like that awhile back some guys from Palestine blew up an Israeli tank , and I think that things like that are looked at around the world as not nearly as bad as civillian attacks , but Isael has the army and the Women in green , which are rasict zionists that "hunt" Palestinians!

The problem is even Zionist christians belive that once Israel takes over "the holy land" Jesus wiil return, ya sure he will return , and even if he did he would be pissed off at both side but mainly these Zionists.

Remember there are 2!!! kinds of terror in the name of religon that we should be worried about nowadays Zionism is just as bad as radical Islam.

Zionist ARE TERRORISTS!!

www.jewsnotzionists.org keep in mind Jews and Islamic people are not bad per say it the freaks who twist religon for their own gain that are.

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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: downforpot]
    #1616755 - 06/07/03 04:36 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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There is also a history problem. Some believe that Palestinians were there first, but if you believe that Jews migrated to Egypt from Israel thousands of years ago and then were Enslaved by Egyptians and then came back to Israel, then Israel belongs to Jews. But Palestines are greedy bastards so its hard to convince them anything, all they believe in is that Allah is always right and they are always right, every1 else is a faggot.




So, it's that simple... Palestinian should just leave quietly when Jews came back. But they're "greedy bastards" because they refused to. lol 
I bet native americans would just have to say: "Please go back to Europe, this is our land" and reasonable and easy to convince settlers would leave. :grin:
 


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1616791 - 06/07/03 04:56 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

god, gimmie a break. A lot of Palestinians don't care about Israel. It's the Palestinians who teach their young and the ones in terrorist camps IN PALESTINE that have all the hate. It's a reacurring cycle. If all the Arab terrorism stopped, I bet YOU wouldn't see what you say them "hunt" Palestinians.

Zionists are terrorists? They're not the ones being attacked from all sides. Along with being victims of suicide attacks on NOT THE MILITARY but the civilians.



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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1616800 - 06/07/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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terrorist camps IN PALESTINE




Yes, and Zionist jews are not just as bad, for example the women in green I spoke of "hunt palestinians like animals" thats what they do.

Have you ever seen a real map of the area Palestine is carved up with chunks belonging to Israel and little settlements everywhere.

This issue has more to do with zionism than people think.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1616806 - 06/07/03 05:06 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I havn't heard of the women in green. The carved up chunks you speak of sound like the land that Israel got from the war of 67


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1616811 - 06/07/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

zeronio, you did not make any sense with your post.

It will never end, 2 year old kids are training to kill in Palestine. Its their culture, you cannot erase a way of life.

Palestine would not have lost more land if they had not left their left and let Egypt and Syria try to kill off Israel, and they lost that war and Israel took the land which they left UP FOR GRABS. "Did you drop that 100 dollar bill? WELL FUCK YOU, I FOUND IT FIRST, NOW FUCK OFF."

But the thing is: Who occupied that area first?


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1616812 - 06/07/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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A lot of Palestinians don't care about Israel. It's the Palestinians who teach their young and the ones in terrorist camps IN PALESTINE that have all the hate.




You're so well informed... I'd like so see your source.
And what do you think is the solution to the problem? Should Palestinians leave Izrael?


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1616813 - 06/07/03 05:08 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

How about people say Fundamentalists instead of Zionists? Any kind of fundamentalism will drive people to irrational acts, it's not restricted to just one group of people.


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In the beginning was the word. And man could not handle the word, and the hearing of the word, and he asked God to take away his ears so that he might live in peace without having to hear words which might upset his equinamity or corrupt the unblemished purity of his conscience.

And God, hearing this desperate plea from His creation, wrinkled His mighty brow for a moment and then leaned down toward man, beckoning that he should come close so as to hear all that was about to be revealed to him.

"Fuck you," He whispered, and frowned upon the pathetic supplicant before retreating to His heavens.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: Edame]
    #1616818 - 06/07/03 05:10 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

zeronio :

We had a arab talk in our school, a school staff who studied in middle easted talked about it. And I saw some shit on tv, but tv is bullshit. So img onan believe the arab and the history teacher.


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Re: Israel v Palestine: who is right? [Re: downforpot]
    #1616820 - 06/07/03 05:12 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Edame: I dont see christians or jews running around with c4 strapped to their chests. Chechnya, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan. They all love training to run around with c4 stapped to their chests, its the best weapon. Be a martyr and you get a free pass to heaven.


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