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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: downforpot]
#9511531 - 12/29/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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downforpot said: You don't know anything just like when you said that modern medicine is not responsible for increasing population. You really don't know anything....
ok... show me this statement, you certainly seem to have this stuck in your craw
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9511622 - 12/29/08 10:24 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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the media is giving it coverage like it's the fucking superbowl. who cares?
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9511652 - 12/29/08 10:37 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a moron alive who believes that if Israel did nothing the attacks against it would stop?
Perhaps not, but recognizing a valid election result would be a nice start. The US administration and its Israeli puppets can run their mouths all they want about 'democracy and free elections', but when the wrong side wins, it's all a mute point. Some democracy.
In addition, modern Israel sits on what was formerly known as Palestine. They give the Palestinians a small strip of arid desert with blockaded ports, while they keep all the good farmland and water.
I doubt seriously if your own home was surrounded or confiscated by a conquering force, that you'd be sitting fat and happy either. Somehow when Israel drops 2 ton cluster bombs from high flying US supplied aircraft on towns and cities it's national defense, but when an unemployed, starving and hopeless teenager straps a pipe bomb to his chest or fires a homemade rocket at the people who just killed his baby sister, it's terrorism. As long as that mindset continues, the conflict will go on forever. RR
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9511760 - 12/29/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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> In addition, modern Israel sits on what was formerly known as Palestine.
Not only does modern Israel sit on what was formerly known as Palestine, but so does Syria, along with parts of Lebanon and parts of Jordan. Before being called Palestine, the region was called the Philistines, and before that it was part of Ancient Egypt known as Retjenu. If you are trying to make a point based upon the name of the region relating to ownership, it is sorely placed. By your reasoning, Egypt should get all of Israel and Syria along with parts of Jordan and Lebanon... and the Palestinians would get nothing which is quite a bit less than they have now.
> As long as that mindset continues, the conflict will go on forever.
The conflict has been going on for thousands of years... nothing is going to change in our lifetime.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9511761 - 12/29/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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that explanation would be all fine and dandy but the Palestinians started this. If they werent launching rockets over and killing Israeli's in the first place there never would have been a counter strike against them. They were warned numerous times that if it continued to happen there would be retaliation. I say now they have to face the punishment they brought upon themselves
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: zappaisgod]
#9511762 - 12/29/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I almost pissed my pants when I read this. You just shot your own dick off. Way to go, Plax. Pursuant to the defeat of the Ottoman Empire all of the states of the Mid East were divided. One tiny little corner was given to Jews by UN decree (read that as "victors"). Not all residents were Jews and many Muslims lived there with full rights. Later, there were several attacks from neighbors to eradicate the new state (no newer than any of the others). These resulted in the loss of territory to Israel. Israel has since given most of it back, including the Gaza Strip. The Gaza Strip is blockaded by.....Egypt, the country from which Israel conquered the territory.
so wait, the UN gave the israelis the territory but they conquered egypt, well then, who the hell took it from the british since palestine 'belonged' to them after WWI...
you might want to read a little about the british mandate of palestine especially regarding immigration, that's where the british still controlled the region and a mas influx of jews, almost half a million both legal and illegal immigrants flooded the area and the brits placed limitation on immigration, of course the jews formed a few terrorist organizations and attacked both the british and the arabs, there was never a problem with them using violence against unarmed civilians, seems that hasnt changed
after WWII it was truman that pushed for the move of the european jews to palestine, the terrorist jews were still killing and bombing the brits and arabs and the US refused to give reparation loans to the brits and increased pressures for them to abandon palestine which they eventually did, that's when the UN mandated their partition plan which did not give the jews all of israel, prior to the date of the british surrendering palestine the jews announced the state of israel had formed, they had recognition from the US and from Russia and the israeli provisional government swore that they'd give full civil rights to all within their borders
I wonder what happened with that, oh yeah, they took all the land the UN gave and also much of what the palestinians had through acts of terrorism and wholesale slaughter, seems the arabs which held the land didnt have much of a problem with the jews until they started invading and killing civilians in order to effect their goals, had the US and russia not supported the jews through gifts of arms, money and 'assistance', where would the state of israel be today?
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By your reasoning, the Pallys have no right to the conquered territorries.
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What genocide? The Israelis gave them the land back and got nothing but rockets in return.
bullshit, let's look at that 1947 provisioning and see how it compares to the land held todays
 
Hmmmm... looks like those dirty israeli terrorist exterminated and stole more land than they were allotted, arent we glad that we have a country that still supports genocide and the continued invasion of lands that should belong to the paestinians with all their settlements in the west bank
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Monumental stupidity is all that can be used to describe this. You hate Jews because they complain about the fact that Muslims worldwide are devoted to their eradication
I believe you've got it all wrong, I dont hate israel, nor do I hate the arab nations, I'm all for the ultimate peace accord in order to stop the violence, lets just kill them all and tell the rest of the world to shut the hell up, stupidity is believing the major media outlets and their 'zionist' slant
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I know where you live and constantly send barrages of rockets into your house. Are you going to complain? By which I mean call the cops. Probably, buts lets assume you don't trust the cops or like to take care of shit yourself. You'll still complain but you'll fight back, won't you? Well, you are Israel. Whether you can stand it or not.
well according to independent media as I've already posted, israel started with 'preemptive retaliation', it's kind of like that whole 'we're pulling out next year' thing that still hasnt transpired
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9511845 - 12/29/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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how do you know that your independent news sources arent putting their own spin on everything?
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: KillerPicklez]
#9511884 - 12/29/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Israel helped create and fund Hamas to fight the PLO and now they want to destroy Hamas. They also want the people to turn against Hamas.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: KillerPicklez]
#9511894 - 12/29/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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KillerPicklez said: how do you know that your independent news sources arent putting their own spin on everything?
because I told them this is a no spin zone
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: KillerPicklez]
#9512024 - 12/29/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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that explanation would be all fine and dandy but the Palestinians started this. If they weren't launching rockets over and killing Israeli's in the first place there never would have been a counter strike against them.
Is Palestinians suppose to stand ideally by while Israel does preemptive strikes and close of the area so Palestinians cant get food or medicine and work or anything else for that matter.Hell no
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9512046 - 12/29/08 12:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is there a moron alive who believes that if Israel did nothing the attacks against it would stop?
Perhaps not, but recognizing a valid election result would be a nice start. The US administration and its Israeli puppets can run their mouths all they want about 'democracy and free elections', but when the wrong side wins, it's all a mute point. Some democracy.
What the fuck are you talking about? They (Hamas)won the election and the gun battle in the Gaza. Their policy once they were in control was to launch rockets into Israel. Now they get slapped. That seems to be some damn fine election recognition right there. Perfect 20-20 recognition.Quote:
In addition, modern Israel sits on what was formerly known as Palestine. They give the Palestinians a small strip of arid desert with blockaded ports, while they keep all the good farmland and water.
I doubt seriously if your own home was surrounded or confiscated by a conquering force, that you'd be sitting fat and happy either. Somehow when Israel drops 2 ton cluster bombs from high flying US supplied aircraft on towns and cities it's national defense, but when an unemployed, starving and hopeless teenager straps a pipe bomb to his chest or fires a homemade rocket at the people who just killed his baby sister, it's terrorism. As long as that mindset continues, the conflict will go on forever. RR
Modern Israel also happens to sit on what was formerly known as.....Israel. Which came first? The Muslim aggression of obliteration over decades or the Israeli response?
Never mind. You are clearly one of those who thinks there should be no Israel. But that is in contradiction of international law. There is still this, and I defy you to answer it truthfully: If the Muslims stop trying to destroy Israel, Israel will stop bombing Muslims. If Israel stops bombing Muslims do you think the Muslims will stop trying to kill the Jews?
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9512064 - 12/29/08 12:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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RR hit it on the head: Some unemployed teenager has nothing to do but blow himself up to avenge his dead family, and as a result of this "attack" on Israel, Israel kills a bunch more innocent civilians and another poor unemployed mislead and angry kid, has nothing to do but try to blow up the people taking his land.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: nw_shroomy]
#9512067 - 12/29/08 12:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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If they stopped terrorizing civilians Israel couldn't do that anymore, because then world (and US) support would cease being split between the two. Plus, Israel has nothing to gain by doing that if palestinians we weren't waging a jihad on them. Remember, one side wants a two state solution and has shown willingness to make concessions; the other side does not entertain the idea of a two state solution and does not make concessions.
The palestinians really are victims though... victims of the surrounding islamic societies who use them as a tool in attempting to maintain their own hegemony over the area. They are the ones who support continuing violence in the area in an attempt to prevent any type of non-islamic multiculturalism to flourish in the mideast.
Its just one front of the jihad which rages all over the world.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: zappaisgod]
#9512092 - 12/29/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Never mind. You are clearly one of those who thinks there should be no Israel.
you seem to think that anyone not supporting israel is antisemitic and wants to see the destruction of israel and the death of all jews... why is that?
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If Israel stops bombing Muslims do you think the Muslims will stop trying to kill the Jews?
no, why were the israelis bombing and killing the palestinians prior to the creation of these qassams
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Cannashroom]
#9512101 - 12/29/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cannashroom said:has nothing to do but try to blow up the people taking his land.
uh, no... palestinians arnt idiots. They are completely capable of building, creating, and reconciling instead of destroying and killing. In fact that is what they need to do to improve the quality of their lives. The idea that because of Israel they have only the options of life in misery or blow their own head off is obviously not true. Thats a false dichotomy given to them by their religious and political leaders to stifle reconciliation.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9512116 - 12/29/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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conquered people have no rights to the land the conquerors now hold
Israel even gave them the Gaza Strip back. What did they get? Thousands of rockets. The Gaza Strip, formerly a part of Egypt. Why aren't the Egyptians welcoming their brethren back? Because even the Egyptians know they are murdering lunatics. Meanwhile, the West Bank, which is not controlled by Hamas is reasonably peaceful. Hmmmmm. Maybe what you see in Gaza is what happens when psychopaths rule.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9512124 - 12/29/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Every time I see that 1947 map I think the UN was trying to exterminate the Jews even then.
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9512172 - 12/29/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Never mind. You are clearly one of those who thinks there should be no Israel.
you seem to think that anyone not supporting israel is antisemitic and wants to see the destruction of israel and the death of all jews... why is that?
I think anyone who supports Hamas is by definition antisemitic as the sole reason for their existence is the destruction of Israel and all who live there. You write in support of Hamas. Even Egypt recognizes that these lunatics are wrong.Quote:
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If Israel stops bombing Muslims do you think the Muslims will stop trying to kill the Jews?
no,
In your opinion, then, there is no reason for Israel to stop bombing the shit out of Muslim lunatics unless they desire to commit national seppuku.Quote:
why were the israelis bombing and killing the palestinians prior to the creation of these qassams
The Qassam was the first weapon they used? Nope. Now they have better ones that fly further into Israel. Great, huh?
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: zappaisgod]
#9512173 - 12/29/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Israel even gave them the Gaza Strip back.
Israel has been trying to take the gaza strip, they didnt give it back, they occupied it and had to leave in order to effect a cease fire but it took them 4 years more than they claimed in order to clear out
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What did they get? Thousands of rockets.
only 3000 since 2002, many of which caused no casualties and some of which did no damage even to property
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Meanwhile, the West Bank, which is not controlled by Hamas is reasonably peaceful. Hmmmmm. Maybe what you see in Gaza is what happens when psychopaths rule.
psychopaths like the ones in israel that seized a jail in jerico and killed prisoners or the assaults on schools in the west bank that killed teachers and students
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Re: Israel responds to Gaza/Hamas with deadly air raids [Re: zappaisgod]
#9512198 - 12/29/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Every time I see that 1947 map I think the UN was trying to exterminate the Jews even then.
so the world demanded that the jews return to the middle east, the UN gave them palestinan land controlled by the british, the brits reluctantly agreed and the UN is trying to do harm?
yes, the whole world is trying to exterminate the jews
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