Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I saw the Giuliani press conference where he said he would present evidence of the following:

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So how do you know Giuliani doesn't have this evidence before he presents it in court?

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

Those observers claim they just wanted to innocently watch over when in reality they were nothing but disruptive on purpose. Things like demanding to be less than 6 ft away from ppl during the pandemic and then when people say absolutely no that ridiculous they cry voter fraud.

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bodhisatta said:

Rudy has zero credibility now. With a track record of 30+ dismissed election cases

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Enlil said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

So how do you know Giuliani doesn't have this evidence before he presents it in court?

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...most of the things you said, even if true, wouldn't be evidence of election fraud...

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And some of it, if true, would be evidence of election fraud.

Enlil said:

Guiliani saying that he has affidavits isn't evidence of fraud.  Show us the affidavits.  Show us the actual evidence, and then we can discuss it.  How can we possibly discuss vague explanations from a lawyer about what he thinks the evidence shows?

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People have been dismissing it as though he doesn't have it.  Maybe he doesn't, but how do we know that?

Enlil said:

If Rudy were a member of this site and he posted word for word, everything he said in that press conference, YOU would quote all of the same things you quoted in your post and respond with "Source?  Or make believe?"

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Correct, and I AM STILL SAYING I want to see the evidence.  No different than always.

What I am pointing out is that many people here are saying he won't have the evidence, which might be true, but I don't know how anyone here knows that. 

psi said:

Yeah if has has evidence he believes can flip the election outcome, it's certainly an unconventional strategy not to use it before the chance to change the outcome passes. Unless he doesn't want to win for some reason.

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It really is that simple, and made even simpler by trump’s own justice department admitting that there was no fraud found. Anyone still arguing is just being disingenuous.

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

Those observers claim they just wanted to innocently watch over when in reality they were nothing but disruptive on purpose. Things like demanding to be less than 6 ft away from ppl during the pandemic and then when people say absolutely no that ridiculous they cry voter fraud.

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The complains wasn't that observers wanted to get closer than 6 feet, that's make believe on your part.

The complaint was that they were kept 30ft away where they couldn't see what they were supposed to be observing.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

bodhisatta said:

Rudy has zero credibility now. With a track record of 30+ dismissed election cases

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Rudy didn't even have 30 cases.  Those were from other people.

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Enlil said:

It's simple. If he had it, he would present it in court. He hasn't, and the electors cast their votes in less than two weeks.

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bodhisatta said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

The complains wasn't that observers wanted to get closer than 6 feet, that's make believe on your part.

The complaint was that they were kept 30ft away where they couldn't see what they were supposed to be observing.

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You know what isn't make believe. Those people were there to be asshats more than faithful observers

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