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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Who's ready for Bernie Sanders to take home the big W tomorrow!


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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In your own link it says this autoposy was virtual but his family said in your own link he was tortured. It says he was tortured in your own article


Trump himself said it was torture before the negotiations . In you own link it says that he died from having a lack of oxygen to his brain but they don't exactly what did it. I'm still waiting for some magic answer on how a US citizen that was held at a North Korean prison camp notorious for the worst and most prolific torture chambers in the world, comes back from North Korea Blind,deaf, missing teeth and died from lack of oxygen in his brain all signs of torture but you are still dishonoring this dead kid by willfully lying about how he died. It is clear to his family when they had to deal eith th he aftermath and death of their son. You're ready and willing to jump to Kim Jong Un's defense to defend Trump which is sickening . Trump dropped the ball so to compensate you say "who was really there to know he was tortured". You don't think being blind deaf, losing most of you teeth and dying of lack of oxygen doesn't point to torture I don't know what does. You'd make a miserable coroner.

Here's what your own link says in case you forgot Lakshmi Sammarco, a coroner in Warmbier’s home state of Ohio, said the 22-year-old, who had been sentenced to 15 years’ hard labour while visiting North Korea, had died from a lack of oxygen and blood to the brain but could not explain what caused his neurological condition.

Otto Warmbier blind, deaf and 'jerking violently' on US return, parents say

 

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“We don’t know what happened to him, and this is the bottom line,” Sammarco said, adding that the cause of the death may never be known.

The revelations came a day after Warmbier’s parents and Trump accused the regime of torturing Warmbier, who had been convicted of trying to steal a propaganda poster from a Pyongyang hotel in March 2016 and sentenced to 15 years’ hard labour.

Fred and Cindy Warmbier told US TV networks on Tuesday that their son had showed signs of torture, including teeth that appeared to have been “rearranged” and hands and feet that were disfigured.

“They kidnapped Otto, they tortured him, they intentionally injured him. They are not victims, they are terrorists,” Fred Warmbier said on Fox and Friends.

He said his son’s mouth “looked like someone had taken a pair of pliers and rearranged his bottom teeth”.

After the interview was aired, the US president for the first time accused the North Korean regime of torturing Warmbier. Trump called the parents’ interview with Fox “great” and said: “Otto was tortured beyond belief by North Korea.”

But Sammarco, who examined Warmbier’s body after his death in June, said there was no clear evidence of physical torture – including no recently broken bones or damaged teeth.

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“We’re never going to know, unless the people who were there come forward and say: ‘This is what happened to Otto.’”

Warmbier’s body displayed a few small scars, all but one of which could be traced to medical instruments, she said, adding that the Warmbiers’ TV interviews had prompted her to publicly reveal her findings.

“They’re grieving parents. I can’t really make comments on their perceptions,” she added.

Her report showed the University of Virginia student had died following complications resulting from a lack of oxygen to the brain. His condition had been caused by “an unknown insult more than a year prior to death”, the report said.

Warmbier’s parents had refused to allow an autopsy to be carried out.

Sammarco said she had conducted a “virtual autopsy” using extensive medical scanning and imaging, adding that a regular autopsy would have been of little use so long after Warmbier suffered brain damage.

She said that his body was in surprisingly good condition for someone who had reportedly been bedridden for more than a year. Her office’s report said his body appeared “well-nourished”.

Warmbier died in Cincinnati in June, less than a week after he was flown back to the US in a state of “unresponsive wakefulness”.

On Thursday North Korea accused Trump of exploiting Warmbier’s death. “The fact that the old lunatic Trump and his riff-raff slandered the sacred dignity of our supreme leadership, using bogus data full of falsehood and fabrications, only serves to redouble the surging hatred of our army and people towards the US and their will to retaliate thousand-fold,” a foreign ministry statement said.

Three Americans accused of various crimes against the state remain behind bars in North Korea, which is engaged in a tense standoff with the Trump administration over its ballistic missile and nuclear weapons programmes.

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How did Otto Warmbier die?

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How did Otto Warmbier die?

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Otto Warmbier dies days after being returned from North Korea


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Seriously_trippin said:
Otto warmbeir was tortured by North Korea you don't seem to give a shit about his torture


Source, or make believe?  What I said was that the coroner said there were no signs of torture.


Any American that can look at the facts above and say It's not torture to serve Trump should reexamine if they are patriotic at all. You call it make believe and say there was no signs of torture hoping I wouldn't read the article and your lying about this poor man's torture and death as make believe. You wouldn't say that to his parents it's beyond vile shit and shows you why Trump cannot be allowed another 4 years. It breeds radical ideas like denying evidence of torture from all credible sources and his family describes in that article how he was tortured by the wounds he had when he got home. Its not rocket science. Instead opting out for the technical answer that they couldn't know which tool caused it


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
In your own link it says this autoposy was virtual but his family said in your own link he was tortured. It says he was tortured in your own article


Trump himself said it was torture before the negotiations .


So you're going to take Trump's word over the coroner's?  Is that what you're saying?

Seriously_trippin said:
it says that he died from having a lack of oxygen to his brain but they don't exactly what did it. I'm still waiting for some magic answer on how a US citizen that was held at a North Korean prison camp notorious for the worst and most prolific torture chambers in the world, comes back from North Korea Blind,deaf, missing teeth and died from lack of oxygen in his brain all signs of torture but you are still dishonoring this dead kid by willfully lying about how he died.


I'm dishonoring him by taking the medical coroner's word?  We should trust Trump instead?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
falcon said:
Post a transcript or a synopsis, I'm not watching that big fat poo poo noggin.


Ok.  Here's some key takeaways:

Joe Biden was for the Iraq war
Joe Biden intervened in Libya
Joe Biden allowed genocide in Yemen
Joe Biden prosecuted whistle blowers
Joe Biden allowed 5.1 million families to be kicked out of their house after the financial crisis
Joe Biden opened the arctic for drilling
Joe Biden took us from 2 wars to 7
Joe Biden made the banks bigger
Joe Biden built the cages that they're putting immigrant children in
Joe Biden bombed Muslim countries for 8 years straight
Joe Biden authored the 1994 Crime Bill exploding the prison population for blacks and brown people
Joe Biden deported more people than Donald Trump
Joe Biden has the support of the 6 establishment media companies
Joe Biden was pushed Russia-Gate
Joe Biden promised to veto Medicare for All if it passes the Congress, though it has majority support of the country
Joe Biden is war mongering, neo-liberal who is going to take care of the millionaire class
Joe Biden will support corporations before workers, students, and the elderly

He pointed out the obvious foolishness of people who think Biden might become more progressive AFTER he is elected.

When asked "who's going to win the election?" he responded "Goldman Sach, the military industrial complex, and the health insurance companies, that's who".


Wow,  what a bunch of bullshit.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
You call it make believe and say there was no signs of torture hoping I wouldn't read the article and your lying about this poor man's torture and death as make believe.


Please stop make believing.  I said the coroner said Otto Warmbier had no signs of torture.  You can just just rearrange teeth with pliers, or orthodontists would quickly go out of business.

Seriously_trippin said:
You wouldn't say that to his parents it's beyond vile shit and shows you why Trump cannot be allowed another 4 years. It breeds radical ideas like denying evidence of torture from all credible sources and his family describes in that article how he was tortured by the wounds he had when he got home. Its not rocket science. Instead opting out for the technical answer that they couldn't know which tool caused it


It was torture by "all credible sources"?  So a President who never saw Warmbier is more qualified than a coroner?

Alrightly then.  :shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'll tell you exactly what my link says:

Quote:
Juan Mendez has completed a 14-month investigation into the treatment of Manning since the soldier's arrest at a US military base in May 2010. He concludes that the US military was at least culpable of cruel and inhumane treatment in keeping Manning locked up alone for 23 hours a day over an 11-month period in conditions that he also found might have constituted torture.



Your quote along with this one don't seem to support your claim that he was tortured.
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Mendez told the Guardian that he could not reach a definitive conclusion on whether Manning had been tortured


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo]
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That's because the definition of torture is ambiguous.  Is water boarding torture?  Probably not anymore, because the US used that technique.  From the article:

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Mendez, who runs the UN office that investigates incidents of alleged torture around the world, told the Guardian: "I conclude that the 11 months under conditions of solitary confinement (regardless of the name given to his regime by the prison authorities) constitutes at a minimum cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment in violation of article 16 of the convention against torture. If the effects in regards to pain and suffering inflicted on Manning were more severe, they could constitute torture."



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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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You said the UN said it was torture. That was not supported by your link. Stop moving the goal posts.

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Seriously_trippin said:
In your own link it says this autoposy was virtual but his family said in your own link he was tortured. It says he was tortured in your own article


Trump himself said it was torture before the negotiations .


So you're going to take Trump's word over the coroner's?  Is that what you're saying?

Seriously_trippin said:
it says that he died from having a lack of oxygen to his brain but they don't exactly what did it. I'm still waiting for some magic answer on how a US citizen that was held at a North Korean prison camp notorious for the worst and most prolific torture chambers in the world, comes back from North Korea Blind,deaf, missing teeth and died from lack of oxygen in his brain all signs of torture but you are still dishonoring this dead kid by willfully lying about how he died.


I'm dishonoring him by taking the medical coroner's word?  We should trust Trump instead?


No you are intentionally butchering the coroner's words because she said she didn't know what did it so she can't know it wasn't torture. Seems like Trump covered that up and you're trying to hold the seems together for him. I do believe the parents saying his teeth looked like they were "rearannaged with pliers" saying

In your article : They kidnapped Otto, they tortured him, they intentionally injured him. They are not victims, they are terrorists,” Fred Warmbier said on Fox and Friends.

He said his son’s mouth “looked like someone had taken a pair of pliers and rearranged his bottom teeth”.

After the interview was aired, the US president for the first time accused the North Korean regime of torturing Warmbier. Trump called the parents’ interview with Fox “great” and said: “Otto was tortured beyond belief by North Korea.”

But Sammarco, who examined Warmbier’s body after his death in June, said there was no clear evidence of physical torture – including no recently broken bones or damaged teeth.

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“We’re never going to know, unless the people who were there come forward and say: ‘This is what happened to Otto.’”

Warmbier’s body displayed a few small scars, all but one of which could be traced to medical instruments, she said, adding that the Warmbiers’ TV interviews had prompted her to publicly reveal her findings.

“They’re grieving parents. I can’t really make comments on their perceptions,” she added.

Her report showed the University of Virginia student had died following complications resulting from a lack of oxygen to the brain. His condition had been caused by “an unknown insult more than a year prior to death”, the report said.

Warmbier’s parents had refused to allow an autopsy to be carried out.

Sammarco said she had conducted a “virtual autopsy” using extensive medical scanning and imaging, adding that a regular autopsy would have been of little use so long after Warmbier suffered brain damage.

She said that his body was in surprisingly good condition for someone who had reportedly been bedridden for more than a year. Her office’s report said his body appeared “well-nourished”.

Warmbier died in Cincinnati in June, less than a week after he was flown back to the US in a state of “unresponsive wakefulness”.

On Thursday North Korea accused Trump of exploiting Warmbier’s death. “The fact that the old lunatic Trump and his riff-raff slandered the sacred dignity of our supreme leadership, using bogus data full of falsehood and fabrications, only serves to redouble the surging hatred of our army and people towards the US and their will to retaliate thousand-fold,” a foreign ministry statement said."


It's up to you to give an alternative explanation of how a North Korean American prisoner in the most notorious death camps on the face of the earth all of the sudden came down with a bad case of lack of oxygen to the brain and rearranged teeth. Sounds like the coroner had pressure put on her to conduct a virtual autopsy which isn't definitive evidence of shit except the president fucked up and turns out when the president fucked up people cover shit up


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Kwyjibo]
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Kwyjibo said:
You said the UN said it was torture. That was not supported by your link. Stop moving the goal posts.


Ok, the UN said he "might have" been tortured.  They can't say he was tortured or the US would cut off funding.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Yeah, that must be it. :facepalm:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Kwyjibo said:
You said the UN said it was torture. That was not supported by your link. Stop moving the goal posts.


They can't say he was tortured or the US would cut off funding.


Source or make believe.

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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How does one come down with a case of lack of oxygen to the brain when held in the one place on the earth most synomous with torture? Did he just trip over his shoelaces? He was the highest profile prisoner in a very long time and his case was known worldwide, if he was in normal custody he wouldn't have been given 24-48 hours to live in NK and shipped back just to die.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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He probably just held his breath.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Seriously_trippin said:
No you are intentionally butchering the coroner's words because she said she didn't know what did it so she can't know it wasn't torture.


Right, she said he displayed no obvious signs of torture, and she doesn't know what happened to him.

To say it was definitely torture is make believe.  Is it possible?  Sure, but there were no signs of torture.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Do you think he was tortured?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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You had no problem calling Manning's treatment torture when the UN didn't.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
christopera said:
So you are okay with nonsense now?


No.  I'll agree with Enlil's statement that the VP is somewhat powerless, but Biden appears to have supported these things.


Thats why you hear "Biden supported ______ under the Obama administration"

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
Who's ready for Bernie Sanders to take home the big W tomorrow!


Im hoping for a kanye west victory myself lol

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