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Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark
    #8800536 - 08/20/08 12:53 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yesterday, all the signs pointed to the fact that Biden was emerging Obama’s likely VP pick -- until the Delaware senator quickly seemed to dash that speculation yesterday. “You guys have better things to do,” Biden told the reporters staking him out, as he was leaving his home in Delaware to play golf. "I'm not the guy."


Many took that to mean, he was not the pick. Turns out that wasn't what Biden meant.


A Biden source told us not to read too much into his "I’m-not-the-guy" statement, saying he was pretending not to be Biden -- rather than stating he wasn’t going to be Obama’s VP.


Biden pretending not to be himself! :rofl2:  PLEASE OBAMA PICK BIDEN TO BE YOUR RUNNING MATE!







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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8801925 - 08/20/08 07:16 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think we're gonna get that lucky.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8805267 - 08/21/08 01:27 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Obama is dumb enough to pick him.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8806599 - 08/21/08 06:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

There is no substance here.

Would someone be as stupid as McCain's VP take the nomination, after his telling half the nation he wants Cindy's tits out in front of a bunch of bikers?

Doesn't sound like what McCain said, does it? That's because it's not. But that's what he meant? Where is the named informant? Anybody can said "close associate" or "confidential informant", and write what they please.






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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: numonkei]
    #8808883 - 08/22/08 01:47 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Would someone be as stupid as McCain's VP take the nomination, after his telling half the nation he wants Cindy's tits out in front of a bunch of bikers?

Doesn't sound like what McCain said, does it? That's because it's not. But that's what he meant? Where is the named informant? Anybody can said "close associate" or "confidential informant", and write what they please. 




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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8813701 - 08/23/08 01:26 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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A Biden source told us not to read too much into his "I’m-not-the-guy" statement, saying he was pretending not to be Biden -- rather than stating he wasn’t going to be Obama’s VP.




Source please. ??


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zorbman]
    #8814027 - 08/23/08 02:51 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Biden apparently is the guy, and thats unfortunate in my opinion.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Ojom]
    #8814329 - 08/23/08 05:56 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

> Biden apparently is the guy, and thats unfortunate in my opinion.

Good to know that he is getting us used to lies... typical of established politicians.  It is only unfortunate if you are a Great Prophet Obama supporter.  For those of us that can't stand socialism, and don't want to see Obama in office, Biden was the perfect pick.  Now, if only McCain can make the same kind of mistake... but, even then, I doubt we would get a third party candidate in office.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Seuss]
    #8814345 - 08/23/08 06:16 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

this is gonna be fun!:grin:


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Seuss]
    #8814606 - 08/23/08 09:48 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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> Biden apparently is the guy, and thats unfortunate in my opinion.

Good to know that he is getting us used to lies... typical of established politicians.  It is only unfortunate if you are a Great Prophet Obama supporter.  For those of us that can't stand socialism, and don't want to see Obama in office, Biden was the perfect pick.  Now, if only McCain can make the same kind of mistake... but, even then, I doubt we would get a third party candidate in office.



First of all socialism has bad rap, when it actually isnt that bad. Second of all if any type of socialism would be involved, im sure it would have a heavy "hippie" influence.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #8817226 - 08/23/08 08:14 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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First of all socialism has bad rap




anything that involves me paying someone elses way through life
without my consent or active involvement isn't good, socialism
has a bad rap for a reason, it doesnt let those that need to die
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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #8817488 - 08/23/08 09:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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> Biden apparently is the guy, and thats unfortunate in my opinion.

Good to know that he is getting us used to lies... typical of established politicians.  It is only unfortunate if you are a Great Prophet Obama supporter.  For those of us that can't stand socialism, and don't want to see Obama in office, Biden was the perfect pick.  Now, if only McCain can make the same kind of mistake... but, even then, I doubt we would get a third party candidate in office.



First of all socialism has bad rap, when it actually isnt that bad. Second of all if any type of socialism would be involved, im sure it would have a heavy "hippie" influence.





How is it not bad?

What are you talking about?


You think its good to take from people and give to the government that then decides whether any particular person deserves money?  Bunch of social programs that are supported through taking from people that may or may not use them and giving them to the program...



This is good?  Or what is the good you were refering to?


Maybe socialism has a bad rap because people are never able to spend money wisely and fairly with respect to those whos money it was, when they have no reason to do so.

Maybe socialism has a bad rap because it is stealing and has never worked as efficiently as the free market?


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8817491 - 08/23/08 09:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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it doesnt let those that need to die do so



Yeah if people can't afford to get a kidney transplant then they obviously need to die! Money is more important than life itself!


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zouden]
    #8818890 - 08/24/08 06:32 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

> Yeah if people can't afford to get a kidney transplant then they obviously need to die!

Nice appeal to emotion.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zouden]
    #8818949 - 08/24/08 07:22 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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it doesnt let those that need to die do so



Yeah if people can't afford to get a kidney transplant then they obviously need to die! Money is more important than life itself!





Presuming your directing that at criticisms of socialism, and not solely at prisoner, I think your comment si silly.


1.  Why do they need to do anything?  They either get the transplant or they don't, because someone doesn't care to provide them with money to fund the operation doesn't mean they think they should die.
2.  Why is the providing of the kidney transplant funds limited to the government, and why must the patient die if he hasn't the money? 

Just like tutition rates skyrocket with more available financial aid (increasing the amount of money available to students, poor financial folks generally) providing greater funds for medical care raises the price of medical care.  The only problem comes in if you aren't in the club that gets the excess funds (and sometimes even if you are like loans). 

Before state-run socialist medical programs prices were lower for self-pays and the amount of charity hospitals was much larger.

Now, you have to qualify for public assitance or have the cash (for artificially increased prices fueled by a glut of money from private, public funding as well as artifical limitations on who can practice medicine) or you go untreated.




If we had a free market medical field who's only rule was to require full disclosure of procedures, risks, rewards, and the education of the doctor and evidence for the efficacy of the procedure/hospital/doc, you'd see prices plummet and access improve.


Now we pay to the government who decides what they want to pay and for whom they'll pay it.  And they decide, with substantial lobbying by the docs, who gets to practice medicine or even go to medical school, by limiting new schools.


If we simply went to a free market and let any new medical school/residency open that could pass well-defined criteria for licensure, we'd see prices plummet.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: johnm214]
    #8818967 - 08/24/08 07:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

But if prices plummeted, so would the quality. Hospitals would be constantly trying to cut corners just so they can undercut the competition or increase their profits. Competition can, and does, lower prices, but that can come with hidden costs.

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They either get the transplant or they don't, because someone doesn't care to provide them with money to fund the operation doesn't mean they think they should die.


Agreed. But I also think that people shouldn't die just because they can't afford an operation. I'm happy for my tax money to go towards funding necessary surgery for others; I'd only just spend it on drugs anyway. And it's good to know that if I get really sick one day I can go to hospital and never get asked for a credit card.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zouden]
    #8819114 - 08/24/08 09:31 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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But if prices plummeted, so would the quality. Hospitals would be constantly trying to cut corners just so they can undercut the competition or increase their profits. Competition can, and does, lower prices, but that can come with hidden costs.



And it's good to know that if I get really sick one day I can go to hospital and never get asked for a credit card.




I don't see why you need to cut quality to cut prices.

Physicians get paid alot.  Medical device manufacturers charge a lot.  Why not test them in the free market and see if they are worth what they charge?  I happen to think docs are way overpriced for many services... If I want prozac I pay 100 bucks min to get an initial appointment with someone for something I should be able to buy myself for a couple of bucks.

I'm not against physicians making a lot of money, I"m against people being gouged cuz the market is artificially limited and demand is artificially high, in some areas, due to regulation.

And the problem of cutting corners is easily remedied after the fact with lawsuits, and a great deal of premption from the threat as well.

Further, basic principles of fair advertising, contracts, would require docs and device manufacturers to provide extensive data on their history, methods, what they will be doing, what they have done, et cet enforced with lawsuits for noncompliance/fraud.

I see no reason why we must have government do essentially the same quality assurance work, though much more poorly, that private consumers could do on their own- and to which they have a right to anyways, unlike the gov't.



As an aside, what is the deal w/ UK/ Aus folk saying stuff like:  "I'm going to university" or "I'm going to hospital"

Seems weird... In US, people would say "I'm going to the university" or "I'm going to the hospital"  Kinda funny sounding in the reverse, lol


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zouden]
    #8819176 - 08/24/08 10:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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it doesnt let those that need to die do so



Yeah if people can't afford to get a kidney transplant then they obviously need to die! Money is more important than life itself!



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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Chemy]
    #8819648 - 08/24/08 01:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

my mother is on dialysis and you can only do it for so long.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Seuss]
    #8819691 - 08/24/08 01:16 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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> Biden apparently is the guy, and thats unfortunate in my opinion.

Good to know that he is getting us used to lies... typical of established politicians.  It is only unfortunate if you are a Great Prophet Obama supporter.  For those of us that can't stand socialism, and don't want to see Obama in office, Biden was the perfect pick.  Now, if only McCain can make the same kind of mistake... but, even then, I doubt we would get a third party candidate in office.






I wonder if Harriet Christian likes the pick?


&eurl=http://jammiewearingfool.blogspot.com/2008/08/clinton-insider-on-biden-pick-maybe-its.html



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