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Joe Biden the liar
    #8844052 - 08/28/08 08:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I am really starting to hate this guy, what were his motives to lie against an innocent person and say that a completely sober person was drunk driving and killed someone, the police ruled the accident to be the fault of Bidens wife, but Biden basically ruined the truck drivers life with his false allegations:mad2:

Why did Obama pick this sorry sack of feces? The only reason I've heard so far is because of foreign relations experience, which Obama lacks, wasn't there another better choice for VP???


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IT AIN'T SO, JOE

By Celia Cohen
Grapevine Political Writer

If ever there was a crash that tugged at the heart of the entire state, it was the one that took the lives of Joe Biden’s wife and baby daughter and hospitalized his two toddler sons 35 years ago, just weeks after his precocious election to the U.S. Senate.

It was an unbearable turn of events, from one of the most daring political breakthroughs in Delaware political history to unspeakable grief, and there is no reason to make the accident appear worse than it was.

While campaigning in Iowa for the Democratic presidential nomination, however, Biden did.

“Let me tell you a little story,” he was quoted as saying last Friday in the New York Times.

“I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on December 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly – and I never pursued it – drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries.”

Except there was no drinking. There was not even speeding. The truck’s brakes checked out, as well. It was not the driver’s fault.

Biden insisted Wednesday in a brief telephone interview from Iowa he told the story as he knew it.

“All I said was what I heard at the time. What I heard from folks at the time is he’d been drinking,” Biden said, sounding agitated. “I don’t want to talk about it. . . . She must have pulled out. . . . It’s still painful to talk about 35 years later.”

The embellishment is reminiscent of one of the problems that undid Biden the last time he ran for president 20 years ago. He was swallowed up mostly by plagiarism charges, but there was also an incident, taped by C-SPAN, in which Biden became irritated with a New Hampshire voter and belittled him by inflating his own uneven academic credentials.

Among Biden’s claims, he said he was named the outstanding student in political science at the University of Delaware and was in the top half of his law school class at Syracuse University, both untrue, and won an international moot court competition, which was true. He also gibed, “I’d be delighted to sit down and compare my IQ to yours.” 

In Biden’s memoir, Promises to Keep, his explanation for that blowup was along the lines of his account of the accident – lack of knowledge.

“I lost my temper in New Hampshire. What I’d said about my academic achievements was just faulty memory or lack of knowledge. I hadn’t remembered where I finished in my law school class. I hadn’t cared. But to say, ‘Wanna compare IQs?’ was so stupid,” Biden wrote.

The crash involving the Biden family station wagon and the tractor-trailer driven by Curtis C. Dunn, 43, of Kaolin, Pa., occurred on Monday afternoon, Dec. 18, 1972, a week before Christmas, at the intersection of Valley and Limestone Roads in Hockessin.

Joe Biden, who turned 30 in late November, was in Washington to set up his Senate office. Neilia Biden, 30, was at the wheel with their three young children – three-year-old Beau Biden, now the state’s Democratic attorney general, two-year-old Hunter Biden, now a lawyer in Washington, and 13-month-old Amy Biden.

The tractor-trailer was heading toward Pennsylvania on Limestone Road when it broadsided the station wagon, sending it spinning for 150 feet, breaking the windshield and crushing in a rear door, while the truck itself skidded for 20 feet and landed on its side, according to The News Journal, which was printed in two editions in those days as The Morning News and the Evening Journal.

Old campaign literature littered the road, along with the truck’s load of corncobs. Dunn, the truck driver, heaved himself out of the wreckage and was the first to get to the station wagon, the newspaper said.

Neilia and Amy Biden died from the crash. Hunter Biden sustained head injuries. Beau Biden had a broken leg that kept him in the hospital beyond the start of the Senate’s new term, leading their broken-hearted father to decide to take his oath of office in the hospital chapel and to vacillate about whether he should be sworn in at all.

“We can always get another senator, but they can’t get another father,” he said.

The state police investigated the accident. The concern then was not that Dunn would get away with anything as serious as drunken driving, but that he could get railroaded. He had plowed into the family of a United States senator, after all.

As the chief deputy attorney general, Jerome Herlihy was assigned to the incident. Two days later, he issued his report, clearing Dunn.

A story headlined, “No Charges Due for Trucker in Biden Deaths,” in the Evening Journal read: “[Herlihy] said there was no evidence that [Dunn] was speeding, drinking or driving a truck with faulty brakes. In addition, Herlihy said, witnesses to the crash near Hockessin provided no basis for a prosecution.”

No further details were released, although Herlihy knew more about the accident than he let on. Years later, he elaborated.

It is hard to think of anyone better the Attorney General’s Office could have sent. Herlihy was a Republican, a good enough one that he served as the Republican state chairman in the late 1970s and early 1980s, but he also knew the Bidens and thought the world of Neilia.

In the late 1960s, Herlihy and the Bidens were neighbors with a common driveway on Marsh Road in Brandywine Hundred, when Joe Biden was a new lawyer. It was before he was elected to the Senate, even before he was elected to the New Castle County Council in 1970.

The Bidens had two German shepherds, and for better or worse, they were named “Senator” and “Governor.” When Herlihy used to pull into the driveway late at night, he would spy eyes looking at him from the bushes and call out, “Senator, is that you?”

Herlihy, now a Superior Court judge, no longer will talk about the accident because he is constrained by his judicial office from injecting himself into a political campaign. He was interviewed about it, however, in 1998 by this writer as part of the research for Only in Delaware, a history of modern state politics.

In that interview, Herlihy said Neilia Biden either accelerated or drifted through the intersection, and Dunn could not stop. The truck driver said she was not looking at him, her face turned away, and the state police thought she was distracted by one of the children in the back seat.

“She was one of the sweetest people you ever could meet. It was so tragic,” Herlihy said in 1998.

Dunn died in 1999, but Philip A. Lafferty, the truck owner he drove for, still lives in Avondale, Pa. In a telephone interview, Lafferty recalled the state police impounding the tractor-trailer and the station wagon for the investigation for a couple of days and concluding that Dunn was not at fault.

“Nothing came of it. They had people, witnesses,” Lafferty said. “He was a good truck driver, very caring. It shook him up. It was an awful thing for all of us.”

Biden’s remarks in Iowa were not his only version of the accident. He offered another description in a speech on Sept. 19, 2001, at the University of Delaware. His focus that day was the terrorist attack of Sept. 11, but he mentioned his personal tragedy to show he understood the country’s.

“I got one of those phone calls,” Biden said.

“I got a phone call saying, ‘Your wife’s dead, your daughter’s dead.’ And I’ve only said that three times in public before. But I say it here because it’s so important for you to understand. I got one of those phone calls. It was an errant driver who stopped to drink instead of drive and hit a tractor-trailer, hit my children and my wife and killed them.”

Except there was no errant drunken driver. No drinking. No speeding. Not even bad brakes.
http://www.delawaregrapevine.com/12-07bidencrash.asp




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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Chemy]
    #8844439 - 08/28/08 09:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

dood omfg thats such a tragic accident, and it was no ones fault, terrible just awful


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Coaster]
    #8844489 - 08/28/08 09:40 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Very tragic, and can you imagine someone blaming you publicly, an innocent and sober driver, of killing a woman, killing a child, injuring two other children because you were drunk, when in fact you were not.

I can not imagine, that is a tragedy compounded by lies.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Chemy]
    #8844747 - 08/28/08 10:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i hate how ppl can just die so suddenly and theres no way to stop it and nothing to do after wards except morn


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Coaster]
    #8845047 - 08/28/08 10:56 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I believe someone effected by something like this may have a different point of view than any of you. allot of times people cope by holding onto little lies. im not saying its right im just saying i understand. I wouldn't hate someone for this unless i was the truck driver.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: AhronZombi]
    #8845725 - 08/29/08 01:38 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I would totally take that article into consideration if it were, you know, from a reliable source, and one of which actually showed some evidence. It's easy to "put quotation marks around some phrase."


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Chemy]
    #8845799 - 08/29/08 02:18 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Biden before he was given his Vice President nod.



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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: MrSinister]
    #8845846 - 08/29/08 02:48 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Cross posted message. Been there and seen that by the way. Totally unphased.


"I would be honored to run with or against John McCain."

More selective hearing. "I think he can be ready" when referring to Obama. Naturally, Biden is older, and wiser, that's why Obama chose him to run by his side.

No one has "experience" being President. Once you reach executive branch, that's a whole different ball game. The Bush family proved this.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: POLAR0ID]
    #8845866 - 08/29/08 03:02 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Was more of an attack on Joe in general this link to it.. Felt it added to the lier aspect alittle.. Maybe not.  :wink::rotfl:


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: POLAR0ID]
    #8846146 - 08/29/08 07:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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POLAR0ID said:
I would totally take that article into consideration if it were, you know, from a reliable source, and one of which actually showed some evidence. It's easy to "put quotation marks around some phrase."




the accident report is public record, information on the
investigation is apparently also available and the archives of
the news papers can be obtained... I'm willing to place money
on the fact that the kids were not in car seats or even seat
belted into the seats of the car.

http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2048

http://lookinginatiowa.wordpress.com/2008/08/24/1972-article-about-fatal-crash-which-took-life-of-bidens-wife-daughter/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2069846/posts

http://www.hsinjurylaw.com/news.cfm#News5534

history of biden lies

http://ochairball.blogspot.com/2008/08/who-is-joe-biden.html
http://otherspoon.blogspot.com/2008/08/go-joe.html
http://www.ablueview.com/2008/08/bidens-son-to-fight-in-iraq.html
http://traceetuesday.blogspot.com/2008_08_24_archive.html#933364108546187841
http://jenniferjust.com/2008/08/say-its-so-joe.html
http://doctordem.blogspot.com/2008/08/joe-biden.html
http://cayankee.blogs.com/cayankee/2007/11/bidens-heartach.html


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8846321 - 08/29/08 08:57 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Also, I don't think it can be mentioned enough the tie between Biden and the RAVE Act (and the War on Drugs in general).


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Redstorm]
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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8848227 - 08/29/08 04:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I really can't trust a website without a reputation, and like hell I am going to trust someone's blogspot.

I've not heard/seen the real story yet (and I mean, minus the internet and its wave of "facts"), but I have yet to see why attacking a man who lost his wife and child in a car accident is a noble way to debate politics. :shrug:


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: POLAR0ID]
    #8848281 - 08/29/08 04:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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POLAR0ID said:
I really can't trust a website without a reputation, and like hell I am going to trust someone's blogspot.

I've not heard/seen the real story yet (and I mean, minus the internet and its wave of "facts"), but I have yet to see why attacking a man who lost his wife and child in a car accident is a noble way to debate politics. :shrug:



Umm, Biden lied and publicly blamed an innocent man for killing a mother and child.

I am attacking a liar that falsely accused an innocent person of murdering a mother and child.

Prisoner#1 posted the Inside Edition story, but like you say so often about "selective hearing" you seem to have the same problem.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Chemy]
    #8848299 - 08/29/08 04:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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It was a moment of triumph as Senator Joe Biden was cheered at the Democratic National Convention.

The Senator from Delaware comes to the convention with a compelling back-story: a single dad who raised his two young sons after a horrific car accident in 1972 killed his first wife Neilia and 13-month-old daughter Naomi. However, as INSIDE EDITION's Paul Boyd reports, there is a mystery surrounding the details of the tragedy.

In a striking moment in December 2007, he opened his heart to University of Iowa students. "Let me tell you a little story. My wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree, a tractor trailer, a guy who allegedly, and I never pursued it, drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family, killed my wife instantly, killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons."

But was the accident really the result of a drunk driver? INSIDE EDITION has learned that some details of the investigation don't seem to fit with what the Senator has said publicly on occasion.

In November 1972, Joe Biden was elected to the U.S. Senate at 29 years of age. He and wife Neilia, a schoolteacher, had three children, sons Beau and Hunter, and daughter Naomi.

The tragedy unfolded on December 18th in the town of Hockessin, Delaware at about 2:30 in the afternoon. Mrs. Biden was driving her station wagon with her three young children after picking up a family Christmas tree. INSIDE EDITION's Paul Boyd visited Hockessin and the intersection where the accident occurred almost 36 years ago. In 1972, there were no traffic lights and Mrs. Biden pulled away from a stop sign that stood at the corner. According to the State Police investigation, she pulled out into the intersection and didn't see a tractor trailer coming down the highway. The truck crashed into the side of the wagon killing Joe Biden's wife and his 13-month-old daughter. His sons, three and four-years-old, were critically injured.

A distraught Biden considered giving up his Senate seat, but was urged to stay on. His emotional swearing-in was conducted at his son Beau's hospital bedside. Meanwhile, law



http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyId=2048

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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Chemy]
    #8848302 - 08/29/08 04:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Chemy, you were not there, you do not know the details, you simply eat up whatever the media tells you, so long as it agrees with you.

I'm skeptical about the whole thing because there is little known about it other than what the media wants to say. I'm skeptical because I believe attacking a man on a delicate subject such as a dead wife and child is completely uncalled for.

Get the fuck out of these people's personal life and into what they are going to do for the country. These things are never addressed here. All that ever is: "Obama sux!!" Get informed on the policies of both candidates. Then try and start a real debate.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: POLAR0ID]
    #8848323 - 08/29/08 04:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Get the fuck out of these people's personal life and into what they are going to do for the country. These things are never addressed here. All that ever is: "Obama sux!!" Get informed on the policies of both candidates. Then try and start a real debate.



I never said one thing about Obama, who cares about Obama in this discussion.

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Get the fuck out of these people's personal life



And I repeat, "Biden PUBLICLY ruined an innocent mans life by blaming the innocent man for murdering a mother and child.

What is so personal about a senator using his status to publicly blame an innocent man of murder, I just don't understand how this is part of a personal life.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: POLAR0ID]
    #8848349 - 08/29/08 04:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Get the fuck out of these people's personal life and into what they are going to do for the country.




I would agree with you, but when he steps into the public sector to wrongfully infringe upon another's right, that's where his privacy ends.


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    #8848407 - 08/29/08 04:57 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Get the fuck out of these people's personal life and into what they are going to do for the country.




I would agree with you, but when he steps into the public sector to wrongfully infringe upon another's right, that's where his privacy ends.




yep


and I must say anyone who uses their own experiences to justify or lend credibility to themselves opens up those personal experiences, and others, to attack.

Like in court, don't bring shit up if you don't want it explored critically.


Biden seems like another career politician who's an ass, to me.


Passing the Rave act and then acting like he cares about medical marijuana is the height of hypocrisy.


And if the rules of the state where the judge is serving really prevent him from discussing his accident, that is insane.  You should always have the right to discuss what happened to you.

Could this guy not sue Biden for slander and defamation just cuz he can't inject himself into political debates?

I don't see how you could prohibit him talking to a newspaper but allow him to sue, both are the same class of rights.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: johnm214]
    #8848437 - 08/29/08 05:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Passing the Rave act and then acting like he cares about medical marijuana is the height of hypocrisy.




Especially when the RAVE act has been used by the DEA to shut down NORML and Students for Sensible Drug Policy fundraisers.

But Biden wrote the RAVE act to be ambiguous so it could be used to violate 1st Amendment rights. How infuriating, I am at a loss for words.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: POLAR0ID]
    #8849436 - 08/29/08 08:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Chemy, you were not there, you do not know the details, you simply eat up whatever the media tells you, so long as it agrees with you.




the cops were there, dont you think the driver would have been
charged with vehicular homicide if he'd been drinking, dont
you believe he'd have been cited for something had his truck
been faulty, of course he would have, Joe Biden has made a
claim against a man that was probably already racked with
guilt because he was involved in an accident that seriously
injured 3 children, killing one and killing their mother,
Biden then turns around and makes up bullshit that further
affects the man


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I'm skeptical about the whole thing because there is little known about it other than what the media wants to say. I'm skeptical because I believe attacking a man on a delicate subject such as a dead wife and child is completely uncalled for.




why not call and get the news paper archives to print you
copies or get the investigation report from the police, it's
really easy and it'll show exactly what you've seen in these
'non-credible' sources, as if any other news source is

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Get the fuck out of these people's personal life




someone should have said that to biden before he used them as
part of his platform, I'm sure that if we go back and start
reading up on old joe we'll discover that our career
politician has used them for years, that 2001 isnt the first
time he's talked about it, I'm sure it's all a part of his
stance on drugs and alcohol and that's part of why he has to
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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Chemy]
    #8850340 - 08/29/08 11:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yep. It is true.

Joe Biden is a liar.

Let's see..

Politicians are liars.

Joe Biden is a politician.

Therefore Joe Biden is a liar.


And your boy isn't?
Ohhhh, he's a statesman..I see. :smirk:

Come on, folks. Puh-lease.
Wake up from your own partisan BS.

ALL politicians are liars- that's what we pay them for!!

This way we don't have to face the tough choices WE would be forced to confront otherwise. We just vote them into office, then complain then...VOTE THEM RIGHT BACK INTO OFFICE AGAIN!!

Stupid people. You get the leaders you deserve.




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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: zorbman]
    #8850546 - 08/30/08 12:08 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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zorbman said:

Joe Biden is a liar.

Politicians are liars.

Joe Biden is a politician.

Therefore Joe Biden is a liar.





do you own a lawnmower?

Joe Biden is also a plagiarist


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8850554 - 08/30/08 12:11 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Plagiarist is just another form of liar.

Get in line.


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Re: Joe Biden the liar [Re: zorbman]
    #8850557 - 08/30/08 12:13 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

it's Liar Ultra®


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