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Obama picks Biden as VP
    #8813715 - 08/23/08 01:29 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Is this a good pick?

Aug 22nd, 2008 | WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware is Barack Obama's pick as vice presidential running mate, The Associated Press has learned.

Biden, 65, is a veteran of more than three decades in the Senate, and one of his party's leading experts on foreign policy, an area in which polls indicate Obama needs help in his race against Republican rival John McCain.

The official who spoke did so on condition of anonymity, saying they did not want to pre-empt a text-message announcement the Obama campaign promised for Saturday morning.

http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/2008/08/22/D92NPH8G1_veepstakes/index.html


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: zorbman]
    #8813842 - 08/23/08 02:06 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Everything will be fine so long as he has Brzezinski for national security.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: Minstrel]
    #8813856 - 08/23/08 02:10 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I really think Clinton would have been a better pick as far as electability is concerned. :shrug:


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8813887 - 08/23/08 02:14 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

then its just as official that mccain has won the POTUS...nothing against joe biden..but a ticket of two northern liberals is box-office poison.. thats a cardinal rule of presidential politics...the only outside chance for a democratic victory now is if the convention snatches the nomination back for hillary...


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: zorbman]
    #8813937 - 08/23/08 02:27 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You guys really have your finger on the pulse.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8814030 - 08/23/08 02:52 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I really think Clinton would have been a better pick as far as electability is concerned. :shrug:




Wouldn't that have crippled Obama's Change message?


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: zorbman]
    #8814092 - 08/23/08 03:15 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think his "change" message is too substantial when it comes to the voters that he has yet to court, really. I'm not really sure that the average voters are going to say "oh, this guy I don't know is said to have foreign policy experience, so I guess I'll vote for him after all". Who knows though; I think Biden is still a great choice. It just seems that he doesn't really add many votes to Obama, whereas Hillary would have. :shrug:


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: zorbman]
    #8814128 - 08/23/08 03:29 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

He will also be good for Florida


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8814192 - 08/23/08 03:57 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I saw this one coming a mile away.

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then its just as official that mccain has won the POTUS...nothing against joe biden..but a ticket of two northern liberals is box-office poison.. thats a cardinal rule of presidential politics...the only outside chance for a democratic victory now is if the convention snatches the nomination back for hillary...




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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8814318 - 08/23/08 05:44 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

> I really think Clinton would have been a better pick as far as electability is concerned. :shrug:

I don't think he and the Clintons like each other... at all.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: Seuss]
    #8814346 - 08/23/08 06:17 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

McCain will likely dig his own grave. They underestimate how many poeple actually see the republican campaign as very much like those before it.  I don't think reps really thought McCain had a chance, and just put him up out of formality.  He could win, if his backers really gave a shit and tried.  I hope they don't.  I'm not for either party, but common sense says reps had plenty of time in office already.  Thats probably the extent of Obamas "change" anyway.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: Annapurna1]
    #8814356 - 08/23/08 06:28 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

You know they are celebrating at the McCain campaign. :grin:


"Before winning election to the Senate three-and-a-half decades ago—Biden ranks fourth in seniority among Democrats, sixth overall;"

thats some change....


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8814361 - 08/23/08 06:32 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

lol


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: zorbman]
    #8814544 - 08/23/08 09:17 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: Phred]
    #8814566 - 08/23/08 09:29 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

wow very interesting...


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: zorbman]
    #8814887 - 08/23/08 11:26 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Terrible choice, IMO.

He should have picked someone who can attract voters outside his already existing voting bloc.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8815506 - 08/23/08 02:26 PM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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You know they are celebrating at the McCain campaign. :grin:


"Before winning election to the Senate three-and-a-half decades ago—Biden ranks fourth in seniority among Democrats, sixth overall;"

thats some change....




That's actually a valid point.  The thing to keep in mind is that vice presidents really don't do much at all, with the glaring exception of Cheney.

Also, you're going to be hearing about how Biden was critical of Obama in the nomination debates.  What they won't put together for you is that he was criticizing his knowledge of foreign policy, which he seems to be rectifying by hiring the one person in politics that probably knows more about foreign policy about anybody else out there (something that only comes from years of experience by the way).

In this way, he seems to be balancing his lack of experience and need for change, with a healthy amount of old-school experience.  It's not like Biden is the average politician anyways.  In fact, Biden is actually pretty awefull when it comes to politicking.  He'll probably just do his job.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8818257 - 08/24/08 01:17 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

Since Obama is regarded by many as risky due to inexperience I wonder if the Biden pick is meant to reassure voters that Obama will be accompanied by a chaperone? An old white guy. :grin:

Cheney was picked for similar reasons- to have a good and wise influence on Bush. Of course the opposite proved to be true- Cheney's malevolent influence destroyed the Bush presidency.

People say the VP pick doesn't matter and historically that is probably true.

However the last two VPs have been given significant roles by their Presidents; This looks like a trend Obama will follow which makes his VP pick very important.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: Phred]
    #8818780 - 08/24/08 04:50 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

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Hot damn.  That is a vicious fucking ad.


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Re: Obama picks Biden as VP [Re: it stars saddam]
    #8819362 - 08/24/08 11:26 AM (9 years, 5 months ago)

It just proves what we all know: that politicians are lying scumbags who will say or do anything in order to achieve their agendas.


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