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20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA
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NOTE: I posted this in the pub the other week and asked them to move it once I remembered about this forum. However, it was never moved and I would like to have this topic in the correct place for future references.
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20 Amazing Facts About
Voting in the USA
http://nightweed.com/usavotefacts.html

Did you know....
1. 80% of all votes in America are counted by only two companies: Diebold and ES&S.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold


2. There is no federal agency with regulatory authority or oversight of the U.S. voting machine industry.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0916-04.htm

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html


3. The vice-president of Diebold and the president of ES&S are brothers.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/priv...te_company.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html


4. The chairman and CEO of Diebold is a major Bush campaign organizer and donor who wrote in 2003 that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/...ain632436.shtml

http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1647886


5. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel used to be chairman of ES&S. He became Senator based on votes counted by ES&S machines.

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/colu.../03/03_200.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/03100...04fitrakis.html


6. Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, long-connected with the Bush family, was recently caught lying about his ownership of ES&S by the Senate Ethics Committee.

http://www.blackboxvoting.com/modules.php?...=article&sid=26

http://www.hillnews.com/news/012903/hagel.aspx

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/000896.php


7. Senator Chuck Hagel was on a short list of George W. Bush's vice-presidential candidates.

http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_28/b3689130.htm

http://theindependent.com/stories/052700/n...ew_hagel27.html


8. ES&S is the largest voting machine manufacturer in the U.S. and counts almost 60% of all U.S. votes.

http://www.essvote.com/HTML/about/about.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/evoting/04280...2804landes.html


9. Diebold's new touch screen voting machines have no paper trail of any votes. In other words, there is no way to verify that the data coming out of the machine is the same as what was legitimately put in by voters.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.itworld.com/Tech/2987/041020evo...es/pfindex.html


10. Diebold also makes ATMs, checkout scanners, and ticket machines, all of which log each transaction and can generate a paper trail.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0225-05.htm

http://www.diebold.com/solutions/default.htm


11. Diebold is based in Ohio.

http://www.diebold.com/aboutus/ataglance/default.htm


12. Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,61640,00.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/301469.shtml


13. Jeff Dean was Senior Vice-President of General Election Systems when it was bought by Diebold. Even though he had been convicted of 23 counts of felony theft in the first degree, Jeff Dean was retained as a consultant by Diebold and was largely responsible for programming the optical scanning software now used in most of the United States.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0312/S00191.htm
http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


14. Diebold consultant Jeff Dean was convicted of planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection over a period of 2 years.

http://www.chuckherrin.com/HackthevoteFAQ.htm#how

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf


15. None of the international election observers were allowed in the polls in Ohio.

http://www.globalexchange.org/update/press/2638.html

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/2...loc_elexoh.html


16. California banned the use of Diebold machines because the security was so bad. Despite Diebold's claims that the audit logs could not be hacked, a chimpanzee was able to do it! (See the movie here: http://blackboxvoting.org/baxter/baxterVPR.mov.)

http://wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63298,00.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4874190


17. 30% of all U.S. votes are carried out on unverifiable touch screen voting machines with no paper trail.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/28/...ain632436.shtml


18. All -- not some -- but all the voting machine errors detected and reported in Florida went in favor of Bush or Republican candidates.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65757,00.html

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAfterm...esBushIsOut.htm

http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html

http://www.ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=m...article&sid=950

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm


19. The governor of the state of Florida, Jeb Bush, is the President's brother.

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee...cal/7628725.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2004Oct29.html


20. Serious voting anomalies in Florida -- again always favoring Bush -- have been mathematically demonstrated and experts are recommending further investigation.

http://www.yuricareport.com/ElectionAfterm...esBushIsOut.htm

http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttop...1,97614,00.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/tens..._thousands.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

http://uscountvotes.org/


NOTE: Please copy the above list and distribute freely!
LET THE FACTS BE KNOWN! Thank you!


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Calico Kahlia come tell me the news
Calamity's waiting for a way to get to her
Rosy red and electric blue
I bought you a paddle for your paper canoe

Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land
Maybe I'll be back here too
It all depends on what's with you

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: C20H25N3O]
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Diebold employed 5 convicted felons as consultants and developers to help write the central compiler computer code that counted 50% of the votes in 30 states.

I didn't know computer programmers were such badasses.

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: C20H25N3O]
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Well I obviously have to ask how Clinton was "allowed" to be president for 8 years when the conservatives are really running a behind-the-scenes dictatorship? I could have sworn I met someone who supported Bush one time so he must have gotten some real votes. no?

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: Catalysis]
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Catalysis said:
Well I obviously have to ask how Clinton was "allowed" to be president for 8 years when the conservatives are really running a behind-the-scenes dictatorship? I could have sworn I met someone who supported Bush one time so he must have gotten some real votes. no?


No


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There is not a lot of difference between a fox hole and a grave; but knowing that you dug your ditch and climbed in anyway.

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: AaronEvil]
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lol, its all good.

As I sit back and read some of these posts makes me laugh. Some of them are just false speculation, others are actually worth looking into, but however, no one truly cares. Kinda funny.

Anyways, I just thought I'd post this lyric (who can guess who wrote it?...no google search):

Harmlessly passing your time in the grassland away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
You better watch out,
There may be dogs about
I?ve looked over jordan, and I have seen
Things are not what they seem.

What do you get for pretending the danger?s not real.
Meek and obedient you follow the leader
Down well trodden corridors into the valley of steel.
What a surprise!
A look of terminal shock in your eyes.
Now things are really what they seem.
No, this is no bad dream.

The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green he leadeth me the silent waters by.
With bright knives he releaseth my soul.
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
For lo, he hath great power, and great hunger.
When cometh the day we lowly ones,
Through quiet reflection, and great dedication
Master the art of karate,
Lo, we shall rise up,
And then we?ll make the bugger?s eyes water.

Bleating and babbling I fell on his neck with a scream.
Wave upon wave of demented avengers
March cheerfully out of obscurity into the dream.

Have you heard the news?
The dogs are dead!
You better stay home
And do as you?re told.
Get out of the road if you want to grow old.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: RandalFlagg]
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> I didn't know computer programmers were such badasses.

... it isn't hard to become a felon in a police state like the US.


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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: C20H25N3O]
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What was the point in privatising your election system?

I actually got to count the votes for a poll I helped run in a federal election here a few years ago. No machines, no touch screens, no corporations doing the counting. You get a piece of paper with the candidate's names on it, and you draw an X in the circle beside the candidate you want to vote for. Drop it in the box, and at the end of the night the two people running the poll count all the votes and phoen them in to the national polling station (the votes are also sealed and sent by courier to the national station). All the poll staff is hired directly by the government for the election (it's always just regualr people doing it, you only get paid $100 for 12 hours of work on voting day).

There's really not much room for error/trickery.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: C20H25N3O]
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Uh-oh, biased sources, and coincidences proved that teh evil facist, who is mein fuhrer, know as Bush stole the election!!!!!!!  :smirk:


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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
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This aughta shake things up...I worked counting ballots once. Since I'm known not to like Liberals can it be assumed that I cheated?


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: Innvertigo]
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Yeah I cheated too, can't have those conservatives in power! :lol:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: trendal]
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I've received a few of those in my inbox over the past few weeks. My response has always been the same:

Dear Left-wing Nut,
I read with amusement your ill-defined conspiracy theory claims that the election was stolen by the Republicans. Personally, I'm shocked that your kind would admit that we backwards country bumpkins in "Dumbf***istan" could pull a swift one on your oh-so-intellectual elitists.

Even more amazing is how you completely ignore the will of the people you so often claim to represent. But, in the final analysis, you really don't represent Americans. You represent libertyphobes, terrorists and every tinpot dictator who cannot abide by people living free anywhere.

I hope you and your kind will make good on your promise to leave this great nation. May I suggest that you make your new residence in the Liberal Utopias known as Cuba, Iran, China, and the Palestinian Authority? You might want to also try Iraq. Who knows? Maybe I'll see you on the evening news with your Jihadist buddies just before they saw your idiot head off.

So kitchy-koo, you incomprehensibly stupid bastard.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: trendal]
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I cheated for the communists.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: lonestar2004]
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ha ha ha...I like your style. :lol:


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: Innvertigo]
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By the way I'm found this online. I didn't write it, and it never says once that the republicans stole the elctions. Most often I hear this, and most often I hear well than why was clinton elected. Really I don't know, but these are facts so I've posted them at a few sites around the net, many I know that are pretty liberal, and many I know that are pretty pro republican.

I have only had one person try and debunk the facts, no ones really done a good job. I've played moderator in most of the forums I posted this on, because I really dont know how to feel. You guys are welcomed to debunk or applaud, just avoid the petty, and stupid comments that this thread is filling up with already.

Id thought I would post this here and let it fester for a good 24 hrs before adding in the objectiveness I was going for in this thread....


have fun.


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Calico Kahlia come tell me the news
Calamity's waiting for a way to get to her
Rosy red and electric blue
I bought you a paddle for your paper canoe

Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land
Maybe I'll be back here too
It all depends on what's with you

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Re: 20 Amazing Facts About Voting in the USA [Re: RandalFlagg]
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you better shut your mouth or I'll split() your lip.


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