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OfflineRonoS
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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #942440 - 10/08/02 09:51 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not going to get into this with you Luvdem...I'm just trying to get some maturity on this board.


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Rono]
    #942446 - 10/08/02 09:53 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Well said Rono. It's just that when you're dealing with excrement a little always sticks to the bottom of your shoes.

It's a lot better to just wipe it off and move on.


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Xlea321]
    #942454 - 10/08/02 09:56 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

This is pathetic. How many posts are in this thread that are actually on topic? 2 or three maybe?


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Xlea321]
    #942458 - 10/08/02 09:57 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

If only were 1/2 as clever as you think you are you'd be almost interesting.

But for the sake of others, I'll call it quits with you for today as you're even less challenging than usual.


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #942465 - 10/08/02 09:59 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

***sighs and shakes his head*** I'm having flashbacks from grade school again... Do we really need to get mods involved in the political forum? How sad...


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #943726 - 10/08/02 05:56 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

This is great - we are enjoying your demonstrations of the products of the US education system!


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #943795 - 10/08/02 06:26 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with Evolving!

NIETHER ARE TO BE TRUSTED, The same people that control the UN control the US GOVERMENT. They play it off like they appose us, but behind the curtains they are actually for us. But thats not to say the "us" because who does the us goverment represent? Certainly not the people of this country? Maybe the super rich (corperations, major power holders)?

Ken lay (of enron) was indicted guilty and he STILL has not gone to jail!!!!!! There only arresting the people far below him!!!!


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #948041 - 10/09/02 11:58 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Isn't Burger King a UK company?


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: johnnyfive]
    #948059 - 10/10/02 12:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

No Burger King is american based and had the audacity to try and sue an existing australian hamburger shop with the same name when they first entered the aussie market - they lost the court case and are called Hungry Jacks in Australia -same urchin diferent drag in the words of David Bowie
The UN is dominated by the USA with out a doubt - simply because the US is so open to using in economic might to achieve foreign policy objectives that further political agenda at the expense of the rest of the world.
The problem is that American politics and society is twisted wth hyprocacies like Southern Christian fundamentalism - as america has more practising christians than citizens in any other first world country - and the biggest porn industry. Personally i love porn, but i dont pretend to have a christian fundamental ethic like Jimmy Swaggett. Christians and porn are always a great mix.
Secondly it puts to death more of its own citizens every year, denies poor people justice by forcing them into plea bargaining deals - as 'its the only way to avoid jail' and has a police force with more rights than any other first world nation.
Whereas police in much of the first world are completely accountable, police in america can detain and use 'any force that THEY DEEM as necessary when apprehending' a felon - including arbitrary shootings.
A fucked up country like that should not be forcing its unrealistic world views upon the rest of the more progressed free world.


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #953298 - 10/11/02 07:08 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

George W.Bush is the dumbest arsehole any country that i am aware of has ever elected

  I agree with you except on this sentence.  Please remember in the future that this man WAS NOT ELECTED to the office of president.  He was placed.  He lost the popular vote and if it hadn't been for a sham of an election in FL he would have also lost the electoral college vote. 
  Only about 100 million americans voted in that election.  Of that 100 million, 50,456,169 voted for Dubya.  50,996,116 voted for Gore.  Anyone know the population of the US according to the 2000 census??  Answer.  288,257,581.  So using simple arithmetic (with I doubt Dubya can do) I deduce that 17% (rounded evenly) of americans voted for Dubya.  Doesn't sound like we voted him in by majority at all.  These are facts provided by CNN.com here 
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/

So I proudly say
"President?  Not my President."

Edit here*  I have to amend that I do not disagree than dubya is a stupid asshole (I'm american, arse is for brits LOL).  Just the elected part.  Sorry for any misunderstanding.  :smile:
 


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: postalboy]
    #956348 - 10/13/02 03:04 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

mmm democracy at its best??


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #991921 - 10/25/02 03:55 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

http://english.pravda.ru/society/2002/03/01/26707.html

Back on topic, I'd have to agree with luvdemshrooms as to whether or not the UN should be trusted. Sexually exploiting minors in foreign countries doesn't seem to be entirely legitamite does it?

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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Paradox]
    #995792 - 10/26/02 10:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

The US is FREE.  AS free as it gets anywhere.  The poor even rob the rich and get to complain about doing it.  People choose to end up where they are in the US.  If you want to be Rich, you can!!!  You have to really want to work towards it.  The same thing goes for power and influence over our government.  If you want it, you can have it.

If you don't LIKE the US, you have ONLY it's CITIZENS to blame.  If you live in the US and dilslike it, YOU have only yourself to BLAME.  Cause you got the power to change it!!! :blush: 

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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: ]
    #995839 - 10/26/02 11:19 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

How ridiculous.

In the US freedom only applies to the ruling class.


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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: carbonhoots]
    #995868 - 10/26/02 11:32 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

capital = freedom

but anyone can get capital

anyone can become drafted into the ruling class, and once the globe has fallen under one fluid market, a greater order may come, OR, the ruling class will be in place by democratically earning the position through innovation/labor, or possibly long careful and great consideration

im voting republican. with hope.

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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Lallafa]
    #995892 - 10/26/02 11:41 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

>George W.Bush is the dumbest arsehole any country that i am aware of has ever elected

The guy went to Yale for Christ's sake. Just because he's not as book-smart as Woodrow Wilson doesn't mean he's outright stupid. If you call Bush stupid, you call America stupid*, as he is as close to an average American since Gerald Ford**.

*I know this sentence will be quoted or just taken advantage of and many of you will say that Americans are all indeed, stupid. In reply, I ask you this: as of late, which country has pioneered copmuter technology as it applies to everything from cars to military systems?

**Some of you will point out that Bush comes from a wealthy Texas family. To THIS, I reply: have you ever actually spent time with Bush? He is as average as anyone I know, talking about things you or I would and fitting into banquets so that you wouldn't even know he was there.

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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: carbonhoots]
    #995968 - 10/27/02 12:28 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

People are the ruling class.  Each and every citizen has the power.  This is a democracy!!!  Someone sold you a line of shit.  There is no ruling class in America.  We have a constitutuion that protects the individual, and we have the power to vote out politicians who violate it.

We have the power to influence our politicians.  You just are to LAZY to use it.  You would rather complain about those who are not!!

Congress makes the laws. You elect your congress.  You elect them into power, and you elect them out of power.

In six years you could have a majority of the congress.  All you need is enough signatures stating that if a canidate doesn't vote your way in power, they will never be your canidate.  How much of the population in America do you think you would need to do that, VOTING population.  To guarentee that an official will lose there power, or never aquire it.  This doesn't require any money either.  You aren't buying there vote, you are forcing it by representing a significant portion of the voting population.  Look how close most Votes are, this really DOESN"t have to be a majority of the population.  You just have to be willing to USE YOUR VOTES to guarentee a single objective that is important to you.  Then you use this same power to go after your next objective.
6years and how many Signatures?  Don't assume you need a Majority of votes to influence the outcome of an election.  What is the vote differential in a close race?  Of course you would have to vote for both democrats and republicans, you couldn't pick sides, you would have to give you votes to whom ever needed them most!!!  This is the power you have to effect real change in this country. Other wise you are just a sheep, and are picking whatever side you THINK represents you closer, at least their PUBLIC IMAGE.  I can ssure you that all the laws that are being passed, alll the power expressed and obtained is via the method I just described.  SPECIAL interest laws, financial aid, etc...

Other wise, you have to spend money.  You donate enough to both canidates, so no matter who wins they are in a position to vote for your interests.  If they don't vote your way, they get no money when they go to run for office again.  This is what people who have wealth DO.

Citizens are the ruling class, apparently most just choose to be ruled, instead of ruling. :blush: 

You want to change America, you have to do it one Law at a time.  Be totally absolute in that single objective, and have a good number of fellow believers in each State wthin the Nation.  You need to approach the canidate who has a chance to win, but would like to Guarentee it.  the one that will benefit the most from your collective votes. 

How big of a list do you think that would require, how many signatures do you think you would need.  How many people within a city, county, state?

You could probably get Pot legalized in four years, just by registering voters, and obtaining signatures on every college campus within, every state, in the U.S.A.

But All these voters would have to be willing to vote as a single unit, for this single objective.  For a Republican, or a Democrat, which ever you could influence.  Might take and extra 2 years just to prove your strength(numbers) in the first election.  They have been able to take for granted your lack of motivation and organization for so long.
 

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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: ]
    #996061 - 10/27/02 01:17 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

we have the power to vote out politicians who violate it.

What do you do if both your "candidates" are puppets of big buisness?

What do we do if we want to stop corporate welfare? First you would need to make people aware of the problem - How? Every media outlet will publish stories about the poor scrounging on welfare every day of the week - try and ask them to mention the idle rich pissing away our tax billions on 70% pay rises for themselves and their cronies and they would run a mile.



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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #996069 - 10/27/02 01:21 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

You are right.

I feel really helpless and hopeless when it comes to politics and leadership of the world.

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Re: USA - the world's rogue state [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #996075 - 10/27/02 01:24 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, my bad I didn't realize this thread had turned to more important and pressing issues like you and Alex flirting.

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