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    #391042 - 09/11/01 10:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Turn you TV sets on, World trade center, pentagon, where atacked by terrorist atacks using aeroplanes. JESUS!!! Luck to you all. TAKE CARE US DUDES!!
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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: MAIA]
    #391080 - 09/11/01 10:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yep we all know that. in all truth, i have been hoping for something like this for a while. with the targets involved and degree of assault on the nation itself, not just its citizend, im hoping for some sort of forceful overturn of our 'democracy'. im not sure about being off topic in the thread here but i wanted 2 put my 2 cents in and maybe continue our comments if it is allowed by the moderators.



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #391083 - 09/11/01 11:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

B.M., you do speak for yourself on this one. This is a terrible multiple attack. I for one didn't hope for this.



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #391107 - 09/11/01 11:30 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The real revolution is a "mind revolution" not terrorist atacks, brut force sucks.


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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: MAIA]
    #391119 - 09/11/01 11:43 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

All us aussie are feeling for you yanks... And to that BM, I dont think you'd have as much to say if it was your family members stuck in those buildings...



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391146 - 09/11/01 12:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm with you there bluemeanie.... I couldn't fucking believe this when I saw it on TV......much sympathy from down under...

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #391157 - 09/11/01 12:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

really u guys weren't expecting something like this??? open your eyes.....
usa is acting since the 2nd world war as they are the world owners....
usa is responsible for the 80% pollution of the planet, for the selling of the 90% of the war weapons, for the mass diffusion of hard drugs, they influences the 80% of the "free" governements, also is responsible to keep the third world countries poor, and i can continue if you like......
the sad event of today (wich anyway i'm not approve) for me was expected....
when the 70% of the world population are against usa this is the minimum that can happen.....

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
    #391167 - 09/11/01 12:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah - unfortunately I agree...it was inevitable...



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: MAIA]
    #391268 - 09/11/01 02:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, this is to all of you friggin' little pansies that want to sit behind their keyboards and talk shit about their country: SHUT THE FUCK UP! OK? Nuff said.

P.S. Beppomarx, how could you applaud the killing of innocent people, children even, to promote your political agenda? I hope that is just a sign of ignorance, and not your real gut feeling. By the way, you suck.



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: mahookah]
    #391335 - 09/11/01 04:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree, With all this talk of Karma, Pollution and eniviromental propaganda it doesn't surprise me one bit that people on this board are showing their ignorance. Any person who says that anyone "deserves this" or anything to that affect has to be a sick Fuck and turning this into some sort of enviro-agenda attack is complete and utter bullshit!!! Use your head before you (not you mahookah) open your i'll informed mouth!

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: MAIA]
    #391349 - 09/11/01 04:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

TIME TO GO SMOKE SOME FUCKING A-RABS!!



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: MAIA]
    #391385 - 09/11/01 05:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The chickens have come home to roost.



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Syngenor]
    #391407 - 09/11/01 05:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

man i dunno. i saw it all happen live on tv. saw how the moderator slowly realized how this first plane was just the tip of the iceberg. how that was more. how the fear came. just now i kind of prayed for all those people eventhough i normally don't pray. the usa might be doing a whole lotta stuff wrong. but if we don't realize that hatred produces hatred we are never going to get out of that circle. i just hope the world wakes up soon enough.




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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #391497 - 09/11/01 07:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

McMan and Club99,

I completely agree with you. You're my kind of people. Peace be with you my friends.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: ykk]
    #391507 - 09/11/01 07:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah... this is terrible event, the perpetrators are certainly heartless, but all the same i really hope that we can somehow learn from this experience and maybe this will be like a sledgehammer on the heads of those in charge, those shaping our foreign policies, that we can't just do whatever we want. granted the u.s. never has and never would perpetrate a crime like this, but they have supported dictators in the past and done many immoral things and its obvious to anyone but the american citizens that the american government always has a hidden agenda and will exploit others for their own interest. we've perpetuated this attitude of "look out for #1" by using others to help ourselves, and these terrorists have simply taken it to the extreme and are sending us a message that they don't want us to take this big a share of the pie and that we're not as safe as we think. my heart goes out to all of humanity for this predicament that we are in as a race and especially to the thousands of innocent people who lost their lives because of the selfishness of the corrupt powers that be (both in the east and the west)...
i think with the rise of globalization its time to bring a new attitude and drop the competition between nations and the idea that the welfare of one subset of the human race is more important than that of any other subset.

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i hope i haven't angred anyone or given the impression that i tolerate terrorist activity at all.. i just think that, like some people said before, things have been deteriorating for a while now and now that something of this magnitude has happened i hope we can learn from it and get some good out of it instead of just focusing on the pain



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #391512 - 09/11/01 07:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

BM, Chrissake, what the fuck is wrong with you?? hundreds, possibly thousands of innocents murdered !! They were just going to work, like any other day, and now theyre dead.. the sad part is the ones that tried to survive by jumping out of the building before it collapsed...

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
    #391515 - 09/11/01 07:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

WTF?? BS! the US is not that bad.. the middle east burns so much more polluting hard fuel and south america burns down tons of forests all the time. the US is pretty damn clean for its size, and is really trying to stay at peace! theres a fucking reason they will not try to force peace upon those warring bastard palestin... er.. yeah!

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #391536 - 09/11/01 08:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

do you even have a clue? I could tell you where to shove your Karma, but i think you know where i'm going

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Tamrylin]
    #391584 - 09/11/01 08:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Tamrylin, you should better inform yourself before talking....
usa is responsible for the 80-90% of co2 of all the world...
and palestinians are killed by the israeli since the 50's.....
every day since then a palestinian were killed, with the help of the usa that influenced the united nations....
now are 50 years that israelis are acting like nazi on the palestinian people....and this is the tip of the iceberg.....
...i mean...if usa isn't loved from most of the world population there's a reason for it.....

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
    #391626 - 09/11/01 09:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Tamrylin, you should better inform yourself before talking.... usa is responsible for the 80-90% of co2 of all the world...

Club99 maybe it is you who should be more informed seeing that, if my figures are right, that approx. 75%+ of the CO2 is caused by the oceans and nature itself....before you flame...THINK


and palestinians are killed by the israeli since the 50's.....

As are many innocent woman and children by the cowardly palastinian scumbags via: Carbombs and suicide bombers...again..THINK

every day since then a palestinian were killed, with the help of the usa that influenced the united nations....

a steaming pile of utter bullshit.....THINK


Before you go on making yourself look somewhat inept you might want to know what the hell you are talking about....just a thought!


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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391685 - 09/11/01 10:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

as usual you show your ignorance and fascist actitude invertigo...
i'm not talking about the co2 produced by nature, i'm talking about the co2 that IS PRODUCED FROM THE USA INDUSTRIES.
Or you forgot that use quitted from the last world environmental meeting to not accept to lower their emissions??? SHUT UP!
In reply to:

As are many innocent woman and children by the cowardly palastinian scumbags via: Carbombs and suicide bombers...again..THINK




probably if israel was a peaceful country no a single victim would come from palestinians....are you intentionally forgotting what is history...really fascist...
In reply to:

a steaming pile of utter bullshit.....THINK



the only bullshit is in your head dude....read more before opening your mouth...

and if you really wanna know...what happened today is just the result of the well know usa government actitude...that you're expressing so good....

In reply to:

Before you go on making yourself look somewhat inept you might want to know what the hell you are talking about....just a thought!



maybe you should say that to yourself in front of a mirror....
no ...don't tell me...YOU TRUST ALL WHAT IS SAID AT AMERICAN NEWS!!! REALLY!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! GROW UP! ... just a tought!

why a fascist would use mushrooms..that's something i really don't understand....

BTW i don't condone or approve terrorism, my condolences to all the victims and relatives.
My point is just that what happened today was expected....one day or other...

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #391690 - 09/11/01 10:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ok, well, I mostly agree with Nushroom here, and a lot with club99 and mcman, I also a little bit agree with bp, but not really.

I actually say fuck em. Human kind is so royally screwed because of what we have done to ourselves in the last couple of centuries. We are overpopulated as hell, and it aint getting better, this gives room for a couple more thousand of people. Now don't get me wrong, I dont think that killing humans is good, and if it was me or my family in that situation it would be a bit different, but the fact is that humans have done this to themselves. It wasn't a bunch of other animals up their on suicide missions. It was humans.

The only person I have heard mention anything about the animals, plants, and other wildlife if Nushroom, this means he is my kind of guy. You people are focusing on the thousands of humans that were killed, but dont even care about the animals that surely died as well.

Maybe the buildings were infested with rats, I dont hear anyone crying over their death. And why is this? Because humans consider themselves better than any other species on the planet. Any human that thinks they are better than a rat makes me sicker than a human who can kill thousands of innocent people.

So personally, my heart goes out to any other animal species who died in this tragedy, and the humans, well, tough luck.

I just await the day for the karma to hit the humans, we are all going to be fucked, and that is the way it should be.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391718 - 09/11/01 10:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

1 i don't know about the CO2 , although given that the u.s. uses 3 times as much gasoline as europe and accounts for 1/3 of the transportation energy used in the world and that is expected to increase steadily unless we start taking alternative energy methods seriously, would imply that the u.s. is certainly one of the largest contributors to various types of pollution, despite some limited environmental precautions.

2 maybe an israeli a day since 1950 is an exaggeration, but its commonly known that there is currently approx 5:1 ratio of palestinians to israelis killed, and 6:1 ratio for palestinian children to israeli children killed, and the israelis used nerve gas against citizens in gaza, and the israelis essentially declared war on palsetine when they kicked them out of their homes in 1948-49 because their religion told them to, then launched several wars against other arab countries in retaliation for them harboring the palestians who had gotten kicked out and were trying to retaliate. so when a small people without an army or real government is kicked out of their home and the attackers are supported by humanitarian countries because of israeli influence in the government, they turn to terrorism as their means of fighting back. the israelis are killing the palestinians because they don't care about them (they are the bastard children of abraham, after all) and they are occupying a city that belonged to the jews thousands of years ago. the palestinians have been killing themselves to kill israelis (suicide bombings) out of desperation to save their people. now the islamic fundamentalists are a different issue, they are much worse than hte israelites and are probably behind this bombing, but the palestinian people certainly have a right to fight back against the israelis. it is a war, after all, with israel being the aggressor.

and the bombing... osama bin laden was at one time a valuable ally to the u.s. .. until he saw that all their "humanitarian" activies were motivated by self-interest... islamic fundamentalists aside, we have created an atmosphere where the arabs think "well they don't care about us, so i don't care about them."

try to be more open-minded... for someone who values liberty above all else you sure are quick to trash people for having different opinions. my opinions are what they are but they may change as i get new information, they usually do... no one ever understands the whole picture. fundamentalism of any sort is dangerous.




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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
    #391727 - 09/11/01 10:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i'm not talking about the co2 produced by nature, i'm talking about the co2 that IS PRODUCED FROM THE USA INDUSTRIES

Well when you make bone-headed accusations you might want to use exact percentages. And by the way the United States still doesn't produce 80% of the Co2 for the entire earth. It's just the kind of enviromental socialist bullshit that ignorant representatives, like yourself, like to spout.

Or you forgot that use quitted from the last world environmental meeting to not accept to lower their emissions??? SHUT UP!

You either don't know English or your a moron....you decide. I think your talking about Kyoto..am i mistaken? If so that has to be the dumbest environmental program that the world has ever saw...how come the rest of the world hasn't ratified it yet..including Japan?..could it be that it sucked?

probably if israel was a peaceful country no a single victim would come from palestinians....are you intentionally forgotting what is history...really fascist...

Your use of facism is pretty off. You may want to look at the definition again. With your logic i can put it to you this way. If them damn jews were in the vacinity of the car bombs then they deserve it....you my friend sound like the facist. You hate jews.

YOU TRUST ALL WHAT IS SAID AT AMERICAN NEWS!!! REALLY!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! GROW UP

Your assuming and you know what that means...so tell me enlightened one, Where do you go for accurate news? wouldn't happen to be CNN or MSNBC would it?...perhaps Geraldo?

why a fascist would use mushrooms..that's something i really don't understand....

Why would they let a moron be moderator? Ya might want to look in that mirror..

BTW i don't condone or approve terrorism, my condolences to all the victims and relatives. My point is just that what happened today was expected....one day or other...

However you condone the killing of certain types of people.....you're a raging hypocrite




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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: MAIA]
    #391756 - 09/11/01 11:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I couldn't wait to read all of this, so some of you will have to forgive me.

Whats wrong with you people?!? Thousands of our species die, and talk like it is a good thing. You are seriously fucked! How many innocent people must die. HUH!?! And since when did people become responsible for the acts of their governments and oppressors. Na Man, that kind of talk aint cool. It's like sometimes I have so much faith in Human Kind... and then others... I feel like it's not even worth the words I'm writing. Fortunatly I have faith in myself and others like me. Some of you other people make me sick. People take what they can fuckin grab man, people cant fuckin help what kind of society their born into!!! They make the best of what they fuckin have. I feel there is a great desparity between the people today, some of us have been blessed with the ability to understand life and the universe, and others kill in the name of their religions and politics, or are too embedded in their pathetic lives to ever think about the possibility of ever trying to save yourselves.

On a lighter note (don't get me wrong you people still make me sick) I do not want to believe I myself could possibly ever be capable of the attrocities commited by some of my fellow man, unfortunatly I can't help myself from thinking what things could have been like for me if I was born at a slightly different time in a slightly different place? Could that have been me on one of those planes ready to die for my people? All of you should ask yourselfs these same questions.




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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: pyromaniac]
    #391772 - 09/11/01 11:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Maybe the buildings were infested with rats, I dont hear anyone crying over their death. And why is this? Because humans consider themselves better than any other species on the planet. Any human that thinks they are better than a rat makes me sicker than a human who can kill thousands of innocent people.




Your a cock-sucking Homo. Oh, and your stupid as shit and you make me sick. We ARE better than rats you RETARD. Well at least we are, you and the other fags in this room on the other hand, aren't worth the genetic material that was wasted on you.

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    #391785 - 09/11/01 11:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

This day has opened my eyes to the filth that frequents these boards. First off all you karma people talking about we deserve this.. what is wrong with you? Are you the type of people that claim you love everyone through your liberalness but in the face of thousands of human beings dying you try to make a political point? Thats sick. I love it how you call everyone who isn't liberal, facsists.. you are truley clueless...



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391853 - 09/12/01 01:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well when you make bone-headed accusations you might want to use exact percentages. And by the way the United States still doesn't produce 80% of the Co2 for the entire earth. It's just the kind of enviromental socialist bullshit that ignorant representatives, like yourself, like to spout.

yeah..i made a mistake, usa is responsible for the 60% of the total polluting emissions...enviromental socialist..yes i am...thanks, what are you???

You either don't know English or your a moron....you decide. I think your talking about Kyoto..am i mistaken? If so that has to be the dumbest environmental program that the world has ever saw...how come the rest of the world hasn't ratified it yet..including Japan?..could it be that it sucked?

i'm a moron...and don't know english since i never studied it...i'm italian...
you say the kioto protocol was the dumbest environmental program that the world has ever saw. yeah, sure, sadly either canada and japan were going to accept it, until your nice guy mr.bush decided to kill it....
here you have a couple articles to understand what happened, but probaly you're so ignorant that you know only english. If you want i can transalate it for you...

"El rotundo rechazo de George W. Bush al Protocolo de Kioto y la subsiguiente declaraci?n de su muerte prematura por parte de los responsables de su Administraci?n, han tenido el efecto no intencionado de enfocar la atenci?n p?blica y pol?tica sobre el cambio clim?tico, como nunca desde las propias negociaciones de Kioto en 1997.

Diplom?ticamente, el rechazo del Protocolo fue un golpe en la cara a los aliados de EE.UU. en todo el mundo, incluyendo aquellos del grupo Paraguas. Los funcionarios de Bush parec?an asumir que aunque los aliados de EE.UU. pudieran lamentarse con algo de ruido, al final se tragar?an la posici?n norteamericana.

La presi?n y la confusi?n est?n creciendo dentro del grupo Paraguas, como consecuencia del intento de Bush de matar el Protocolo de Kioto. La primera ministra de Nueva Zelanda vio necesario criticar como ?de poca ayuda? el apoyo de facto de Australia a la posici?n de EE.UU., y dijo que Nueva Zelanda trabajar? con la UE y Jap?n para que el Protocolo entre en vigor para 2002. En Noruega, el primer ministro parec?a apoyar a Bush, pero fue contradicho por el ministro de Medio Ambiente. El ministro de Medio Ambiente de Canad? ha dicho que su pa?s no puede ratificar el Protocolo si EE.UU. no lo hace, pero Canad? fue el primer pa?s en ratificar el Tratado de Ottawa de Prohibici?n de las Minas Antipersonales, que sigue rechazado por EE.UU. Jap?n ha expresado su decepci?n con la posici?n de EE.UU., y su Dieta (Parlamento) ha aprobado una resoluci?n que pide la pronta ratificaci?n por parte de Jap?n. De hecho, parece que Jap?n est? discutiendo con la UE temas pendientes de la COP6 (6? Conferencia de las Partes del Convenio de Cambio Clim?tico de la ONU), sin aparente coordinaci?n del grupo Paraguas. Rusia est? hablando con estados miembros de la UE sobre realizaci?n conjunta y comercio, en un contexto en que EE.UU. no sea parte del Protocolo.

Ante la rapidez, la magnitud y el esp?ritu de la defensa del Protocolo de Kioto ejercida por la Uni?n Europea y otros desde mediados de marzo, la reacci?n de la Administraci?n USA ha sido de sorpresa aparentemente. Analistas de Washington dicen que el vicepresidente Cheney asegur? al presidente Bush que el tema habr?a pasado, en t?rminos de prensa, en un d?a. Sin embargo, el asunto ha seguido recibiendo la m?xima atenci?n en los medios, y en la reuni?n ministerial de alto nivel celebrada en Nueva York el 21 de abril, EE.UU. se qued? pr?cticamente solo en su pertinaz rechazo del Protocolo. S?lo recibi? el apoyo de Australia y Canad?, que consideraban que no merec?a la pena ratificar el Protocolo de Kioto si EE.UU. no es parte del mismo. Pa?ses como M?xico, que los diplom?ticos estadounidenses insinuaban que se alinear?an con ellos, afirmaron en Nueva York, justo antes de la cumbre, que no aceptaban el rechazo del Protocolo por EE.UU. (provocando que Australia expresase su ?sorpresa? por la posici?n mexicana).

EE.UU. ha dicho que traer? propuestas alternativas a la mesa en alg?n momento de este a?o. No se ha dado ninguna garant?a sobre cu?ndo ni cu?les ser?an sus contenidos, excepto que est? claro que estar?an dise?adas para reemplazar al Protocolo de Kioto. Uno podr?a razonablemente especular que la propuesta incluir?a acciones espec?ficas por parte de los pa?ses en v?as de desarrollo, acciones voluntarias de la industria, e investigaci?n en nuevas tecnolog?as para la eliminaci?n de CO2. ExxonMobil, empresa que jug? un destacado papel en la decisi?n de Bush, ha propuesto esta clase de medidas en sus anuncios anti-Kioto publicados en la prensa tras el inicio de la campa?a de Greenpeace para desenmascarar a las empresas que respaldan a Bush."

This is from El Pais, spain.

"La Uni?n Europea dijo que ratificar? el protocolo de Kioto, aunque Estados Unidos mantenga su amenaza de no apoyarlo.
La declaraci?n fue dada a conocer despu?s de que 40 ministros de Medio Ambiente se reunieron de emergencia en Nueva York a instancia de las Naciones Unidas.

El representante de Holanda, Jan Pronk, jefe de las negociaciones de cambio clim?tico de la ONU, afirm? que est? optimista de que el tratado de Kioto podr? sobrevivir.
Seg?n ?l, el mundo no tiene otra alternativa que intentar implementar el protocolo, con o sin la cooperaci?n del mayor contaminante del planeta (Estados Unidos).
A pesar de la insistencia de la Uni?n Europea, otros pa?ses piensan que aprobar el plan sin la participaci?n estadounidense servir? de poco en el control del cambio clim?tico.
Da?o considerable
Adem?s del tema econ?mico, los deberes de los pa?ses en desarrollo, como India y China, tambi?n dividen a EE.UU. y los europeos.
En primera instancia, el protocolo de Kioto libera a dichos pa?ses de limitar sus emisiones de gases de efecto invernadero. EE.UU. piensa que no deber?a ser as?.
Los da?os a la atm?sfera son cada vez mayores.
Washington anunci? que asistir? a las pr?ximas negociaciones sobre cambio clim?tico, que se realizar?n en julio en Bonn, Alemania, con una propuesta nueva.
Sin embargo, se teme que cuando se llegue a un acuerdo sea demasiado tarde.
La confecci?n del tratado de Kioto llev? casi una d?cada. Si las acciones referentes a la reducci?n de los gases contaminantes son suspendidas mientras todo es renegociado, el da?o a la atm?sfera puede ser considerable. "

this is from the bbc spanish edition, England.

"the world have no other choice than implement the Kioto protocol, with or without the support of the bigger polluter of the world, the usa".

Jan Pronk, chairman of negotiations abouth climatic changes of the ONU.
need more???

Your use of facism is pretty off. You may want to look at the definition again. With your logic i can put it to you this way. If them damn jews were in the vacinity of the car bombs then they deserve it....you my friend sound like the facist. You hate jews.

You should ask yourself WHY palestinians NEED TO place bombs...if you have a normal intelligence you can get the point by yourself...nothing happens without a reason....but you need to read, and probably you're not able to get a realistic analisys of the facts.
btw i don't hate jewish, in fact i never used this word, one of my best friend is from jerusalem, and is a moderated jew, as i don't hate americans, i hate ... hate, and your government promotes it VERY good. ortodox jewis and muslim fundamentalism are on the same plane, just the jews have money and power, and are supported from the usa.

Where do you go for accurate news? wouldn't happen to be CNN or MSNBC would it?...perhaps Geraldo?

the times - england, el pais - spain, der spiegel - germany, la repubblica - italy, le monde - france, etc.....need more???
Have you ever read a newspaper from a not american source???

Why would they let a moron be moderator? Ya might want to look in that mirror..

yes..i'm a moron, and have the balls to accept it....you are a fascist idiot...do you have the balls to accept it???

However you condone the killing of certain types of people.....you're a raging hypocrite

maybe you're the one that need to go back to school, i say that after all what usa did to the rest of the world some kind of revenge was expected...that's all....i'm not condoning the killing of people in any way....
How sound for you the intervention of the usa in nicaragua, el salvador, colombia, panama,whole europe in the 70's, korea, viet nam, lybia etc etc etc..
In italy we have a proverb "what you plant, you'll crop..."

but...wait..aren't you the guy that said that the way the italian government acted at genoa was right?? strange...is was critisided from all the western governement....excluding of course you loved dubya bush.

You should read the amoeba665 post, perhaps you can clear your mind a bit. Very good point about jewish-palestinian situation....and is history, not sci-fi.

Dead shaman: i never said that killing people is a good thing.

LoOnEr: all the whole thing is political. civilians don't deserve this. absolutely.
but the point is:when a nation acts as is the world owner, that decides for all the world and DON'T accept any different way of life, you're creating enemies....
why then australia, canada, european countries, japan etc. don't have the same terroris problems as usa??? you should ask yourself this....because probably usa doesn't respect other lifestyles....the war on drugs is just an example....

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: ykk]
    #392162 - 09/12/01 11:10 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Of all the posts here...I agree with your statement < if we
don't realize that hatred produces hatred we are never going to
get out of that circle. i just hope the world wakes up soon
enough. <
The intolerances of each other's beliefs,
teaching children to hate and perpetuate violence, general ignorance, and a knee jerk
reaction to get "revenge" will keep the planet in the state it's in. It's easy to feel that
'eye for an eye", ... bla bla belief system will work.
Human nature?
My own first reaction was to Nuke the Taliban( if indeed they are culpable)
of course accomplishing that
would result in the killing of more
innocent people. . Problem is
I don't know how "we" can rid the world of evildoers and not end up killing innocent
people, polluting the planet and in the end pissing off a group, and starting
the whole cycle of hate and revenge over again.
Also:
I'm very concerned now that because of this event.. that there will be a
continuing erosion of our freedoms. Illegal or immoral searches and seizures will probably
increase in the name of national security. Inconvenience in airports and
borders will no doubt become a fact of life.
But personal liberty now I fear is in jeopardy. Certainly that is of utmost importance
to many who post here. Well enough to contemplate..
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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392191 - 09/12/01 11:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

McMan, do you really think these civilians deserved to die? If so, are we now even?



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392394 - 09/12/01 03:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

McMan, you've got the correct ideals. If more Americans would condemn their government it would help your nation to become a better neighbor to my people in our struggle against evil. I consider you a friend. Way to go McMan!

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392396 - 09/12/01 03:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

if we do not bomb the people responsible for this, we will have more and more attacks like this. We must make an example and show the world that America will dispose of the garbage that wants to end freedom for everyone. If we have to reduce one or two desert countries to holes in the ground...well ,i guess that would get the point across.



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392401 - 09/12/01 04:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

McMan, every time i read your post you convince me how a nice good intelligent guy you are.....
sadly most of the people here isn't aware about the world facts. they ignore what is history, i must add that the usa media has done a very good job hiding all the evil things the usa government has done.
but really is the people itself that don't care....in italy there's the same situation....most of the people simply don't want to use their brains. they accept everything the media and the government says as an absolute true, they don't ask if is real or if other people are suffering from our actions....
there's nothing we can do...we could write rivers of words trying to explain, but if the referent is deaf and blind (or just want to) there's nothing we can do....
there's a minority of people that have a higher conscience, you, me etc...
this is the world we live in

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: cyclone]
    #392412 - 09/12/01 04:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Is an American life more worth than others?

It just seems like that some times.
10000 people in wherever is killed then it`s not a big deal,
but when americans are killed it is a big deal.

Is it three sand niggers for every american, is that what the rate is?


(By the way, yes this disaster was fucking horrible and I don`t sympatise with whoever did it, the question was more of a food for thought kind of thing, so please don`t get me wrong. I just wanted to comment on the "they are all just a bunch of camel fuckers anyway, so who cares let`s just bomb them all to hell!" kind of attitudes some people have here. Just don`t fall to the terrorists level and get all bloodthirsty. That is exactly what they want. Bin Laden wants to piss off the US into doing something rash. They want a war between the west and the muslim countries.)

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    #392418 - 09/12/01 04:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The system IS eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, BUT no one said who was to take it. I think that would be addressing the concept of karma.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #392427 - 09/12/01 04:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Are you fucking kidding me guys?
Even though the U.S.A is big brother, do you really think we "deserve" this? Most of those people killed were regular citizens. You think we really have any fucking control on anything our country does? Do you think we really have any control over decisions our government makes? Give me a fucking break guys. We are victims of its tactics just as much as anyone. Sure, being American, I personally agree with everything CluBb99 said. Most ignorant 'yanks' i surround myself with would also agree. So I guess that a bunch of normal people just deserve to die because of someone elses bad political decisions. If you really believe that, you are just as ignorant as those small minority of palestinians who were cheering in the streets. You should be ashamed of yourself.



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392428 - 09/12/01 04:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

In reply to:

"Bombing the trade center was the smartest move ever made by the third world nations"



Mcman, you talk about karma and ideologies, but you support the idea of killing. You are an idiot. The U.S. is not perfect, but neither are any of the other human institutions.

Take any one of the governments today, let it develop into a world superpower, and what do you have, something ragingly similar to the the United States of America.

What I'm aiming at here is that it's not the United States, or the Israelites, or the Mormons either for that matter, it's human beings in general. Until we can all understand the meaning of life (that being that there probably isn't any, excluding of course the ones we make for ourselves), and are able to realize the importance of Human Unification, there can and never will be any peace. It is a strange time we find ourselves in, in which the science is to there, but unfortunatly most of the people are not.

It is easy for most of you on this board to lay back and say "fuck humanity", but I for one happen to have a lot of faith in her, although I admit she does have a LOT of demons to slay first. If you ask me, a couple thousand more years or so, a couple of planets later, and just maybe, just MAYBE, we might finally might get it.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: NorShroom]
    #392429 - 09/12/01 04:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If this ( the attack) is what it takes for people to acknowledge the desperation of
the oppressed people of the world so be it. Seems there is a double/triple.. standard..
palastinian babies are expendable when the Israeli govt retailiates. I don't want to
debate the mideast crisis..there's enough blame to go around.. the problem
is much deeper. And McMan is right on
when he said:
>
So, who do you blame? Do you blame the powers that be or the
people who have bought into the lies and deceipts? Or do you
blame the opressed for fighting for their freedom? I say, that we
should blame ourselves if we want to blame anybody at all.<
...We should all try to be open-minded and learn from this. The
problem is much deeper than this single act of terror and will
remain to grow larger until it's dealt with properly.<

I've been apathetic myself for a long time. This is a real kick in the ass. thanks McMan for
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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392436 - 09/12/01 04:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You are talking about all these Tibetan monks, but monks have nothing to do with this. If you can say they do, then every founder of this country stealing a piece of candy when they were children have something to do with this. You said these people were uneducated, but I think that you don't know why these people are doing what they are and you are obviously being romanced by ideas and practices that are simply different than the ones you knew before them, having the important element of nonviolence that you lament about yourself and your ancestors. You sound like those white people that feel guilty about slavery and don't know how to deal with them like regular people. Instead of trying to change things that happened, you should try and make things better and NOT justify actions that take life. I think that this fight in the middle east has gone on for a long time and that violence is definitely not going to end terrorism or the conflict. The only thing that will fix it will be some sort of treaty or alliance. So, stop all of the fighting and stop playing little devil's advocate and open YOUR eyes like you're telling those people to open theirs and I will open mine as well.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392604 - 09/12/01 07:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

think what mcman is trying to point out is that *everybody* should be take responsibility for their actions, and we as a country, we as people that make up the larger organism that is the usa , don't take responsibilty for the effects our wasteful consumerism, selfish imperialism, questionable alliances, and personal apathy have on the world. innocent people suffer the consequences while we reap the rewards. i understand that im taking a risk with drugs, if i get arrested (i have been), ill be upset but not deny that i knew what may happen. by pissing all these people off we should not be in denial of the fact that something like this might happen.

a lot of other countries are similar in this regard, but in the usa in particular, as a superpower and hardcore consumer-oriented capitalist country, its extremely obvious that we are irresponsible - the government, mainly. i dont understand how so many people can not realize that. so as a result we hurt a lot of people unnecessarily, and hardly think twice about it.

.i'm definitely not saying that because those people who died may have been apathetic, that they deserved to die....thats not what was due to them. it was unjustified and *completely* excessive - but *expected*. all these little instances of not taking responsibily for our actions have had the effect of creating certain people who are filled with pain and anger at the u.s. as a symbol of what they feel is wrong with the world, people who will do anything to get their message across. fanatics, certainly, but fanatics that in one way or another we helped to create.

annnd, just as we should take responsibility for our own actions, i think those terrorists should take responsibility for their actions...but who are the terrorists, how much were other people involved, what should the consequences be? we dont know and we shouldn't be premature. it should take a lot of thought... we go kill some innocent civilians, maybe the terrorists will say "hey, those people were innocent, you u.s. citizens weren't" and launch those secret nukes and bam... or maybe they'll just crash some more planes and then we'll launch the nukes, and then someone else will launch nukes on us, hey lets go for it, an eye for an eye, with the victim deciding the punishment right?



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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392724 - 09/12/01 09:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i try to read your posts but your ability to act like the biggest pussy in the world is amazing and somewhat distracting. If you hate the US so much you can always leave. Hell let my boot be the last one to kick you out.

Relax, Relax, Relax.....it's just a little pin prick * there'll be no more AARRGGHHH!!!! but you may feel a little sick.....


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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #392755 - 09/12/01 09:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

ok

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #393015 - 09/13/01 03:11 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I whole heartly support my country America. I support our president in this time of crisis (However I voted for Gore). I support a retaliation, however. Other than that I agree with most of what you said. I would like to expand a little on your points about the wide diference of our standard of liveing with one single question.

Has anyone asked themselves how is it that we can buy their oil, haul it to America via huge boats, refine it to gasoline, TAX THE HELL OUT OF IT and yet we still pay less for it than what most people pay for bottled water (that was most likely gathered from a near by state and NOT imported)? I mean something just dosent add up here.



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    #393241 - 09/13/01 12:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

We buy in bulk.

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    #393264 - 09/13/01 12:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

just so you know, the us uses 80% of the worlds energy, that is not clean for its size. ok just relize what you are talking about befor talking about it.
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    #393273 - 09/13/01 01:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

****just so you know, the us uses 80% of the worlds energy, that is not clean for its size. ok just relize what you are talking about befor talking about it. ****

Where do you get your stats? do you make these things up as you go? The United states uses approx. 25.3% of the worlds energy http://www.xist.org/charts/energy_cons.htm.

Maybe it is YOU that should think before you speak....God knows almost everyone on this board could learn from that...

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
    #393292 - 09/13/01 01:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I doubt your stats highly...could you give me a link or something so i can check it out?...refrain from the PETA (people for the eating of tasty animals), or greenpeace sites because they don't know what they speak.

i'll will assume you are correct for the sake of argument. What did they consume with that 111 million dollars? Oil?, Coal?, hydro?

Your stat doesn't tell us anything other than the fact the united states did something according to the laws the "WORLD" set forth. ie: buying consumption. Could you tell us what they bought?

remember i'm "ASSUMING" you are correct

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
    #393295 - 09/13/01 01:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

To respond to your pathetic post, is to give it more importance than it deserves, but alas I must:

1. USA is acting since the 2nd world war as they are the world owners-
If the US doesn't get involved in world affairs we are criticized by the socialist Europe as being "Isolationists", indeed most of our world intervention is because countries beg us to get involved. Take Kosovo, we want to pull out but NATO begs us we must stay, even though it's not a us problem. Believe I would be the first to say , NO aid money to any other country, bring all our troops back home, I don't like being taxed to help other countries, especially when those countries don't even show their appreciation. Sometimes I think we should have let the Germans take over France, now they would all be speaking German.

2. USA is responsible for the 80% pollution of the planet-

The map below shows where the highest concentration of CO2 emissions are as you can see Brazil is by far a dirtier country the the US and brazil wasn't even included in the Kyoto treaty, neither was China another huge polluter. Environmentalist especially European ones really would like to plunge the US into a European like dark age. Focusing on US when turning a blind eye to the real world polluters. Did you know that burning coal in America is about 90% efficient, meaning you use 90% of the energy generated, pretty efficient. Meanwhile in Africa and other parts of the world when they burn coal and wood the barely get 60% efficiency, 40% wasted.


3. for the mass diffusion of hard drugs-
This statement is so stupid, it shows that you are truly a glittering gem of colossal ignorance.

4. also is responsible to keep the third world countries poor-
News flash: Poor countries are poor because of their corrupt governments, the US pours billions of dollars into countries in Africa and Haiti and eastern and western Europe. Are money is wasted and stolen by these corrupt governments. This is why I would be in favor of stopping ALL economic aid, until we can verify that are money is being used wisely. You sound like the type of person who always finds someone else to blame for you pathetic little existence, like many of these poor countries. I suggest to you and them, look in the mirror, there you will find your problem.

5. when the 70% of the world population are against USA-
Once again your ignorance rears its ugly head (although I am sure its not as ugly as you real head). The worlds isn't again the USA, in fact most people in the world like the USA, that's immigrants flock to the USA by the millions. Now, who doesn't like the US? Not the world population but many governments. They are jealous and envious of our wealth and strength, so they try to tear us down. Try as they may, they will not ever pull us down.

I would like to know where you live, I would also like to bash your fucking face in with my fist but that can wait. I hope that if you live in the US you will take the first plane, train or bus to Mexico or some other country, I pray you will be happier there. And if you live outside the US, then please give me your name so I can make sure you will never be allowed into the United States, and no that's not an empty threat, but a promise.
I would also like to remind all Americans who dislike America that I am sure Croatia, India, Sudan and many more countries will welcome you with open arms. I, for one, would be happy to see you go.


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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
    #393301 - 09/13/01 01:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No, they bought decreased consumption. This means they paid the Russians 111 million to use even less energy, so we could use more. Like a balancing act, I think. We use more and pay them to use less. Sounds like credit to me.

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    #393319 - 09/13/01 02:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

::clapping:: I do have questions, but for fear of reprisal, I will say this sentence first. Why are the countries and the peoples poor in the first place?!?!? They are fucking forced to leave their ways of life or die. They are poor only because they give up their culture, their land and their souls. I am glad they are not DEAD, but they might be better off. You tell me that its okay to pack fertile soil with cattle that we are just going to eat afterwards, move onto another plot of land that the people have to sell to live and do the same there. Meanwhile, their poplulation grows, so they have to move somewhere. Into the forest they go. They need more clear space, so there goes the forest and its nutrient-rich soil, its contribution to the environment and its masses who are murdered. You tell me this is okay? America (the PEOPLE) doesn't mean to be the way it is. The problem with this is that the people think that it isn't the way it is, keeps making the same demands, and the government turns the blind eye FOR the people. This wouldn't stop most Americans even if they did learn of it. We're not callous, we're diverted. Tell me its okay that people in India don't get married the way they used to. You think its beautiful to see those people walking down the aisle?? We rape every culture. You're in or you're out. God HELP you if you have nothing we want but land and people to offer up as slaves.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
    #393322 - 09/13/01 02:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sorry, please go gather your thoughts, and repost them in a coherent way. Maybve you should wait till the trip wears off.



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    #393326 - 09/13/01 02:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I know what purchasing consumption is. But that still doesn't tell us WHAT they did with the 111 million dollar balancing act. Did they burn more oil, coal, hydo, solar? that 111 million dollar stat is useless unless you know what was done with it. Even if you buy consumption it will be recorded. I just find it moronic to accuse the US from "HIDING" the real stats towards our consuption. He is a ECO-NAZI and any stat he can put up i could probably find 2 that denounce it.

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Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: brazil33]
    #393329 - 09/13/01 02:21 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i agree with you on every point, but unfortunatly you are trying to teach the blind to see and the close-minded to think.

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    #393331 - 09/13/01 02:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You know very well I am not tripping.

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    #393332 - 09/13/01 02:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

And you know what's funny, without America these morons would be communicating with two tin cans and a string.

Just to clarify(incase the morons don't understand):
  • America invented what we know today as the computer
  • America invented today what we know as the phone.



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        #393334 - 09/13/01 02:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Too bad, at least then you would have had an excuse for your unbelievable stupidity.



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        #393335 - 09/13/01 02:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    hah You resort to namecalling when you have nothing to say?? You think I am the idiot? Alright, maybe if you calm yourself and think clearly and stop telling people what to do, you will see something.

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        #393337 - 09/13/01 02:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    didn't we invent the can?...therefor no strings to connect them to

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        #393339 - 09/13/01 02:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Hah You resort to being an idiot when you have nothing to say?? , anyways I didn't tell you to do anything. If you want me to give you something to do, may I suggest suicide. Just kidding, I wouldn't want to do that, you entertain me too much, like watching a monkey at the zoo.

    Edited by brazil33 on 09/13/01 01:32 PM.

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        #393345 - 09/13/01 02:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Edited twice for such a simple response? Don't you realize what you are doing at all? Are you at all conscious? Thanks for your post before, because it was informative, but now you're just getting petty and for no reason.

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        #393347 - 09/13/01 02:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    This guy reminds me of bivalve.

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        #393356 - 09/13/01 02:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Ok, I guess I did get a little carried away, I apologize if I went overboard.

    Btw your screen name describes your ideas and thoughts perfectly. Not an attack on you but what you stand for.



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        #393358 - 09/13/01 02:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Why do you play that card? Anyways, its okay.

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        #393404 - 09/13/01 03:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    People that resort to name calling are not to be listened to. If you can't make an argument without spouting ignorant name calling you shouldn't even be arguing.

    If you want to truly convince anyone of your thoughts, you should take as much emotion out of it. People stop listening to you once they see name calling and shit like that.

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        #393419 - 09/13/01 04:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    brazil33, please don't act as the us government...i'm not idiot as you may think.

    1. Apart Kosovo, what other hot countries usa got involved??? timor? yugoslavia? Central african nations that are in civil war since decades?? where usa intervented without any convenience?? and the intervention in kosovo was just another good opportunity intervention to let fall the last comunist dictator, milosevich.
    See, you're using the same arguments that your government use to blackmail european governments..."I think we should have let the Germans take over France, now they would all be speaking German"

    2. Or you're blind or you're doing false propaganda or you're an idiot, or your brain is completely brainwashed.
    The map you posted show the 1994 accumulations of co2 in atmosphere. I'm not stupid dude. Your map shows that the western governements doesn't pollute, and the most polluter is the indian ocean, with big portions of the atlantic oceans and central africans countries, that everyone knows have the biggest concentration of high pollutant industries:). also looks like that the bigger polluter is the amazon region, wich in fact produces the higher percentace of oxigen and absorb most of the co and co2 produced by the coal burnin in the usa and in the western industrialized countries. Btw did u know that burning coal is the worst pollutant of the earth for the co, co2 and particulate it produces?? Maybe you wonder about this, and the usa is the first consumer of coal.
    Anyway you should get back to school and starting to learn reading again, you map says values not emissions.

    3. During the vietnam war, the army gave amphetamines to the troops, to make them more agressive. Then when back in the camps spreaded the use of heroin. From here heroin arrved in the usa then spreaded via the secret services in all europe to pacificate all the juvenile contestation. This are facts, not hysteric rantles. There are proofs of it. Look for those then you can get back and you can state i'm an ignorant...

    3. arrogant as usual, you don't amaze me....third world countries=pathetic little persons, corrupt governments etc.
    amerika=land of freedom and opportunity.
    Probably if usa stops asking for the interests on the loans they gave, that actually are far superior of the whole production of these countries, these pathetic poor little countries could improve thir economical situation.....

    5. Once again you show us your ignorance, do you think if their countries were able to gave them opportunities (see point 4) people flocks to the usa?? hehehe you're so funny in your ignorance and blindness and lack of humanity.

    I live in Mexico, but i'm not mexican anyway, and i can insure you that here most of the people doesn't like amerika. As in europe...i'm talkin of the normal civilian people, not business man, politicians etc. they have the convenience to let america fuck in their asses.
    Don't worry, i'll never come to usa to live there, i'm not attracted from your well spreaded illusionary propaganda "the american way of life", canada and australia are way more better places to live. With way more humility and humanity.

    listen to mcman, go to a poor countrie, take 5 grams of mushies and you'll understand lot of things that now you don't want even hear. poor little man.

    i forgot...please can u tell me who killed jfk and why? if your country is the place of freedom, correctness and traparence you should be able to answer....


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        #393445 - 09/13/01 04:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    First of all, if you knew anything you would know that due to technological advances US pollution has fallen since 94. So that map updated for today would show even less pollution from the US.

    Second if Mexicans hate America so much how come they poor across our borders by the millions? And I have been to Mexico many times and love it and I never detected the slightest hint of hatred, in fact I find Mexicans very kind and have always had nothing but fun in Mexico. I am sure Mexico does not want a pathetic low-life such as yourself to speak for them.

    Also the reason we have to burn coal is because we have whacks in this country that are against Nuclear power, the cleanest energy source on the planet, I would be in favor of going almost all nuclear much like France has done. The reason brazil and Africa and Asia pollute more than we do is because we are required by US laws to have the cleanest coal burning plants in the world. Do you think China cares if their coal plants are polluting the world?

    "During the Vietnam war, the army gave amphetamines to the troops, to make them more aggressive. Then when back in the camps spreaded the use of heroin. From here heroin arrved in the usa then spreaded via the secret services in all europe to pacificate all the juvenile contestation. This are facts, not hysteric rantles. There are proofs of it. Look for those then you can get back and you can state i'm an ignorant... "

    as for this statement I now know that you are some paranoid nut who believes bullshit conspiracy theories such as this one and I wouldn't be surprised if you are on the same drugs you have listed right at this moment. And coming from Mexico, which is one of the worlds largest smuggler of drugs into the US, I would shut my mouth if I were you.

    "arrogant as usual, you don't amaze me....third world countries=pathetic little persons, corrupt governments etc.
    amerika=land of freedom and opportunity"

    It seems to me that many millions of Mexican-Americans agree that America=Land of opportunity.

    And as to who shot JFK- A psycho named Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated JFK, he shot from the 6th floor of the Schoolbook Depository Building which was behind the President's limousine at the time of the assassination. He used the Italian Mannlicher-Carchano rifle that was found. Does that answer you foolish, pointless question?

    Btw, America is spelled with a "c" not a "k"

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        #393496 - 09/13/01 05:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    YAWHN...getting really bored....i'm starting to think that ameriKa really deserves what happened...even worse....let's see what will happen in the future...

    btw...why then the usa government classified top secret for 75 years all the documents regardin jfk assasination???

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #393509 - 09/13/01 05:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Forget about it happening in the USA or any one country. These people that died.. they were PEOPLE. You are incredible you fucking asshole.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
        #393533 - 09/13/01 06:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    you know what?? you're right ... i'm an asshole......i made a big mistake.....i tried to let some people try to understanding what's going on and why, but it's impossible. Too much brainwashed and hardhead.
    Yeah caca those people died, do you care??? yes? good, and do you care for all the people that die every day since decades in the rest of the world cause usa foreign politic? i do. most of you no.
    why americans should be better or more important than the rest of the world?

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #393626 - 09/13/01 08:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    LET"S make something very CLEAR. The responsible parties went down with all the innocent people they killed.
    Club, you need to do a little more reading about ISREAL. They don't commit Genocide on PALESTINIANS. They actual live and work with alot of them. The Palestinian people, who you are reffering to choose to leave ISREAL before all the surrounding NATIONS decided to attack ISREAL. They used their free will to leave in the hopes that they would be able to return to a NATION without JEWS. They choose the wrong side. Now a large portion of them live in Tents, and have been living in tents, since the day they decided to leave ISREAL. The very countries that supposedly like them, do absolutely nothing for them. THEY LIVE IN TENTS. They have no home. The palestinians who choose to remain in ISREAL, live life to it's fullest with all the freedoms of the rest of it's citizens. I'm sorry Isreal turned out to be a stronger FORCE then the surrounding NATIONS, I'm sorry the Palestinians refuse to except defeat. I am sorry they continue to HATE JEWS, and HATE the idea of a ISREAL, run by JEWS. They have been offered peace for all those years, but continue to refuse it. Every time concessions are made, it is not enough. Your Friends continue to this day, acting out acts of TERROR on the citizens of ISREAL, which by the way some are PALESTINIAN, Acts comparable to the TERRORist attacks on the USA, just not on the same order of magnitude, USUALLY. Any loss of LIFE due to terrorism is a HORROR. Then you blame the ISREALIES for responding to these acts.
    This is the only concept I can partially agree with. My rational being the actual terrorists usually die in their acts. They are ultimately responsible, and pay the price with their own lives.
    Going after backers is rediculous, unless you can link them to the GOVERNMENT of a country. Then you have an act of WAR, not an terrorist act. And acts of war result in war!!!!

    These most recent acts of HORROR, are just yet more acts in a continuing effort against FREEDOM. We should all be deeply saddened and entirely respectful of the innocent people who lost their lives, and gave their lives. We should not be trying to JUSTIFY these acts, or rationalize them. There is nothing that can be said that justifies extinguishing the lives of innocent people. No policy within our administration justifies this kind of response. Yes some of our policies are bad, some of our environmental policies are bad, some of the people here are bad. But we don't do what was done to us. If you want our financial aid, it comes with a price, but you have a choice to take it. We are a country about choice, individual choice!!! The only thing the terrorist accomplished, will be you will lose yet more CHOICE. Your civil liberties will be further diminished if you live HERE. This is the ultimate accomplishment of Terrorism. It causes a country to turn on it's own people to try to stop terrorism.
    If someone is willing to die, there is very little you can do to stop them!!!!
    So all you jack asses, talking shit about AMERICA. Get some perspective, people have died, people have to live with the loss. There is no JUSTIFICATION for what was done, but the actual perpetrators already paid with their lives!!!!
    Some of the peoples comments here have been quit unsettling. I hope you never have to experience the reality of TERROR yourselves, your blind innocence is comforting at best. Your lack of empathy is a very scary thing though!!!!



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        #393703 - 09/13/01 09:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    hmm....
    what to say
    some of you think you're revolutionaries whose time has come. Some of you think the USA either deserves this, or brought it upon itself. Some of you are just sick fucks.

    Well personally i can imagine a world where everyone loves each other. We all work to help each other out. Capitalism is not this world, and so yes, the USA does foster a dangerous enviornment to live in all over the globe. US foreign policy is highly unfair, and has historically been racist, anti-communist, and sometimes plain wrong.
    But can you all imagine a world run by PSYCHOPATHIC Religious zelots. These ARAB countries which have apparently born these people who have committed these acts of terror are many times more fucked up than the USA. At least we Americans try to allow the integration of other cultures into our own. Try moving to IRAQ, IRAN, AFGHANISTAN or any other shithole ARAB nation being white skined, non-muslum, or in any way different. Most Arab nations follow absurdly strict cultural practices that are anti anything. They treat women as sub-humans, and flock around military strongmen put in power by assholes like the past presidents of the US. I hope we can now as a nation move beyond OIL as an energy resource and leave these people to rot in their worthless desert countries, afterall we Americans are the ones who made the middle east rich. Usama bin laden's family made their money through construction and oil all rooted in the demand of US industry and citizens.
    I for one don't understand anyone who takes this as though it is good or some act of karma. Fuck that.
    I pray for peace
    lets not go bombing or invading anyone, lets show the world some real leadership as Americans and try to prevent this act in the future without sinking to the level of some crazy fuck like Usama bin Laden.

    I would also like to extend a hand to all those of middle eastern decent who aren't crazy, prolly 99.99% watch your backs lest some redneck american boy puts a 2x4 through your skull.




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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #393724 - 09/13/01 10:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    you are a fucking asshole. I wish i could get my hands on your useless life and kick the snot out of you. How dare you say that what happened in the US was deserved. Some moderator making dumbfuck assumptions. And the lanquage is English here so learn it.

    we are better than low-life wanna-be's like yourself...i would place you about 2 inches hiher than whale shit!!

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        #393728 - 09/13/01 10:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    i agree with almost everything you say...ecxept the part about not bombing.

    i believe that violence minded people only stoppped by constant retaliated violence to the tenth degree. They have no civilians in my opinion...except the kids ofcourse

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Innvertigo]
        #393821 - 09/13/01 11:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    c'mon dude....i'm here....come over here..mexico city....waiting for you to kick the snot out of me. If you can....and don't forget to brought your guns, cowboy. i'll remember you that the far west is over....didn't you realized??
    If all americans were like you DEFINATELY you deserve what happened, and i repeat, ever worst. For luck there's a lot of people that use their brains, not like you, fascist.
    And the people that are a little smarter and with several more brain cell than you understood that i was provocating the people like you. don't you understand that you're completely racist, fascist, brainwashed and definately idiot? hahahahaha you're pathetic.
    ho yeah....sorry....are you able to formulate a sentence without the words asshole, fuck etc???
    I DARE BECAUSE ACTUALLY THERE'S FREEDOM TO SPEECH!

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #393873 - 09/14/01 12:40 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    First, you are an asshole again for saying that we deserved this. Second, to think that all of the people in the United States think alike is way off. You are so far off. Just calm down. We were attacked, not you. Its not impossible for people to understand what is going on. There are just some people that are what you fear they are and you're being like them by saying that its impossible. If you have something to say, I will listen. I do care, that is not a question and yes I care about how other peoples' lives are treated as secondary to the desire of the United States in too many circumstances, but am I going to stop this? This was supposed to happen and there is no way to stop this process.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: ]
        #393879 - 09/14/01 12:49 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    What kind person are you, Teonan? Do you really think that sitting back and feeling bad when we are attacked is a smart thing to do? Did you think at all before you said that. "The responsible parties went down with all the innocent people they killed." Some did. I bet you just can't get rid of those pesky weeds in your front yard, right? No use? No use???? If you were President of these United States, I could picture everyone grieving, the country left with a city or two, and you at the helm, "Who did this?" If no one were held accountable and we have no one to attack, we would all just die. This is not to say that we WANT to go to war, because war is disgusting, but there is no way anyone in their right mind would do something like you are saying to do.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #393882 - 09/14/01 12:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Just how did an ignorant, stereotypical asshole like you get to be a moderator?

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        #393953 - 09/14/01 01:47 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Great post mate! The ones with the pics i mean... Anyway, Dont bother trying to convince red necks about any of this - they dont like to listen - they just like to pretend they are significant and tough from behind their little computer screens...



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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
        #393960 - 09/14/01 01:52 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    do you know any other words besides asshole?....read again what i wrote.
    IF ALL AMERICAN WERE LIKE YOU THEN YOU DESERVED WHAT HAPPENED; FOR LUCK NOT AMERICANS ARE THE SAME.
    is clear? do you understand what it means?? my english isn't good as yours but looks like that i'm more able to read over the lines than you. how old are you?? 12? 13? 15? grow up if you don't understand..or shut up.
    so my statement implies that i'm not really telling that you deserve what happened, but the people who is so arrogant, racist and closed minded for sure deserve it....


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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #393966 - 09/14/01 02:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Hell, I don't understand what you said there. That is not my fault, though. Its cool that you're bi (or however many other languages you speak)lingual. I was just saying that you were an asshole again from what you said before. As for knowing other words... obviously, I do. I just thought that asshole fit you like a glove. How about jerk? No one deserves it, you JERK. How can you want people to die? Death is not some good way to punish someone, but, as we can all see, things happen. I ask again : how did someone like you get to be a moderator? I won't tell you my age, because I don't know yours and I don't want to. I don't like talking to ages. I would rather talk to people.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CLuB99]
        #394069 - 09/14/01 07:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    nice english. I see the great schools in mexico taught you well. Do you even know what a facist is? You definatly don't know what a racist is. I guess i should understand since you do live in a third world country.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
        #394227 - 09/14/01 01:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    CACA
    I am a person alot like you, I'm certain. I do not want to sit back and do nothing. But I am against attacking entire nations, because some of it's extremists have done these things. If you can link the terrorists to a government, then that government should be destroyed. But I also know that every nation has good people in it and to destroy those good people because of a few extremists, is a bad thing. You have to link these people to a specific GOVERNMENT, not a race of people to justify the actions being recommended. That is what I am saying. And most importantly, the people ultimately and directly responsible, where the individuals who crashed the planes. They have paid with their lives.
    If there is a link to a specific government, then it could be considered an act of war.
    What I am trying to prevent is a retaliation against good people, who by no will of their own, would ever do such things!!!!!
    Action needs to be taken if a link can be formed. Unlike the USA, alot of nations in this world, do not have complete control of their entire geography. There are nations within nations in that part of the world. Do you understand that? To blindly bomb entire nations, like the ones everyone is suggesting would be on a TRAGIC level comparable to what happened on TUESDAY here.
    We have friends within all these CHaotic nations!!!!!

    Do you feel responsible for all the children who starve to death in this world? One every other second!!!!!! You know it is happening, yet you do nothing, but sit back and feel bad!!!

    I am an individual, and I believe everyone is an individual, and everyone is accountable for their own actions. I don't by into the notion of a person without free will. I don't blame my mother for the mistakes I make, I don't blame my president for the actions I take. That is what I mean by Ultimate responsibility!! According to your own rational, we are all GUILTY. Guilt7y of indifference, and on this WEB SITE, guilty of conspiracy to grow an illegal substance. We are all guilty, by association, and the information we are preaching, and spreading. Some kid in WHEREEVER, might eat a bunch of shrooms he learned how to grow, here, and kill himself. According to you we are all responsible, and should all be punished!!!!!! Think about that!!!!
    I too believe that there are countless others willing to do the same thing that was done, willing to finance, direct, train, house, etc...., but those OTHERS live amongst relatively decent people, and it would be impossible to know whom to kill at this point. If and when direct links can be formed, a response is inevitable, and understandable. I just hope the right people are punished, and the innocent are spared!!!!
    I'm sorry if you cannot understand my point, or don't understand my rational. Because I did not suggest we do nothing, I jsut made the most obvious statement of all:
    Those DIRECTLY responsible for this HORRIFIC EVENT, went down with the planes. Don't forget what AMERICA and the free world stand for in your anger and distgust, INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and FREE WILL.

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        #394247 - 09/14/01 01:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    it blows my mind that people are posting that the US "deserved this attack"
    no innocent people deserve to die, no individual person is responsible for the manner in which the US government interacts with other countries in the world, a very limited number of people, institutions, and corporations actually shape foreign US involvement. this is not to say that the US has not done things that are wrong or have resulted in horrible, undesired things happening, but for the most part, regardless of whether US foreign action is motivated by economics, and whether the actions really came across as being so, the US ALWAYS intends to be a benevolent force in the world, and for the most part is.
    again, noone deserves such a bastardly action.

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        #394270 - 09/14/01 02:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    you're still trying to make me appear idiot, dude, I NEVER STUDIED ENGLISH, so for one who never took english lessons my english is more than good.
    are you running out of arguments?

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
        #394306 - 09/14/01 03:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    The great thing about America is the right feel and speak however you want, about whatever you want, let us not forget that!!

    There are obviously split feelings about this whole thing, and what sickens me most is the fact that people are ready to hate each other over different views, you can't let this happen! Do you really think that the folks that think America had this coming are all sick twisted individuals? Impossible! They just aren't jumping on the bandwagon called nationalism. They realise that no matter how horrible this attack was, there is a reason this happened to this country. There is a reason people hate this country, and there is a reason why people are ready to die to in an attack on this country. There are always two sides to everything, and rarely is either one completely wrong, or right for that matter.

    I myself dislike western civilization, and wish I was never born into it, it IS evil, but that doesn't make it right to kill thousands of innocent people. I have cried over the innocent loss of life, and been more than angry at the crazed Islamics that probably commited this horendous act. But I still recognize that America did somewhat bring this on themselves(no they didn't deserve it, but its been coming for a while now) You can only push around other countries for so long before they get pissed. And how are they supposed to fight back against us, with their army? Yeah right! Terrorism is about the only avenue smaller groups and countries can take to fight this country. Put yourself in both positions before you say what they did was cowerdly, how would you fight this country being a small third world country yourself.


    Again, I do not think America deserved this, or any country for that matter. I have friends that have missing husbands and wives, even though I haven't lost anyone myself, I have cried over the thousands of innocent lives lost on that terrible tuesday morning. And I will also cry over the probable thousands who will die in our strike back, its a sad cycle of death and violence that will probably never end.

    Please respect my opinion and don't flame me. You know it is possible to discuss opinions without the hatred displayed in this thread.


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        #394336 - 09/14/01 03:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Its funny when people say things like " .. you cannot understand.." instead of, "maybe I didn't make myself clear." The REASON we are pissed at Afghanistan is that they were harboring a KNOWN terrorist, Osama Bin Laden and we TOLD them that if he did anything like this and if they had conclusive evidence that he did, that we would attack their country for the simple fact that they did not want to hand him over. In other words, they took responsibility for him and now they are going to have to hold up to their end of the bargain. I am not just in anger or disgust, so maybe you can go calm someone else down. We, above all, stand for the people. (or we're supposed to, we actually stand for the fucking almight dollar) The lives of the people of these United States cannot be comprimised. As for that analogy, there are some of us that tell people that are below the age of 18 that we want them to have nothing to do with these (mushrooms) or any other drugs. I know what you're talking about, but if this country is supposed to be about, "INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, and FREE WILL," then shouldn't we not get in trouble for what he did? We cannot have our lives and interests revolve around little boys who don't know how to read or asks questions correctly, right? We cannot have our freedoms taken from us because of people like him, right? The shroomery is not the anarchist's cookbook, and yes, there is a difference, whether you want to see it or not.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: Lizard King]
        #394353 - 09/14/01 04:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Yes, I do believe that alot of these people (Muslim extremists) ARE jumping into something just to believe in something, to feel important and to feel like they have power. It is well known that most of these suicide bombers and generally all types of the suicide-attackers we're talking about here, have nothing to do or to live for; very little hope for the future and feelings of helplessness and whatever else. (These suicide bombers are definitely people from other countries and are prone to the nationalism that you were talking about) This is why many of them join the group, along the lines of the same reason kids join gangs and what not. I agree with you in that there are many legitimate reasons why people hate this country.  PFFT! "Pissed"? Osama Bin Laden is pissed, because we helped HIS country during Desert Storm. We drove Sadaam Hussein out of there and he said that we desecrated "Holy Land" by stepping onto his country while everyone else thanked us. I don't know the whole story behind the warring nation of Afghanistan, but I know that we got involved and dealt weapons to the losing party and not to them. I don't know the whole story there, but I guess that could be a legitimate reason for the hatred. Yeah, its fucked up, but why were doing it? Because the Taliban government likes to turn the other way when terrorists are right below their fucking noses. Osama Bin Laden acts like he is so Holy and wants nothing to do with the "Great Satan" country, but he funds his wars with our money. In his OWN Quran, it says that Allah prefers the ink of the scholar to the blood of the marytr. He is a fucking hypocrite and he cannot even get things straight in his mind. He is Islamic, but he is not peaceful. He is a Muslim, but he trains people to hate and commit suicide in order to take lives. When we call what they did cowardly, some of us are not addressing the fact that they HAD to use terrorism, but that they used it. Who cares if they HAVE to use terrorism? It is still cowardly to attack innocent people.

    I am not displaying hatred towards you or flaming you, so shut your yap. =)

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
        #394768 - 09/15/01 12:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Great points, but I really dont know if East Timor should be considered - my cousin served there and all - i dont think four million were skitled - Im mean, the Indonesians killed 500000 of there own people in four weeks when Suharto came to power, which is a bit scarier...



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    What's this obssession with East Timor? [Re: McMan]
        #394802 - 09/15/01 02:06 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    McMan writes:

    "Again, the 4 million residents of East Timur DID NOT DESERVE TO DIE either!!!"

    I guess I must have missed news coverage of US troops in East Timor killing folks. I must admit I don't know all the facts about that conflict, but I honestly doubt that US troops were killing folks there. I would be happy to check out any websites that give those details, though.

    "Nor did the millions of native americans that were exterminated as a result of establishing this "nation" we now have."

    Yep. I can't deny that white folks killed native americans. It is also true that some native american tribes killed (and enslaved) other native american tribes, and had been doing so long before the white folks arrived. It is also true that some native americans killed unarmed white farmers.

    "Our so called "benevolent" nation was not so benevolent then!!!"

    Well... a lot of that killing went on before 1776, when there was no nation. After 1776, a lot more of it went on in areas that weren't even technically "territories" yet, let alone states. And a heck of a lot of it (not ALL, admittedly) took place against the express commands of the Federal Government. In those days, the national government was a pretty weak and feeble creature, with very little in the way of a military presence in the less settled areas. The individual states had a lot more leeway than they do today. As I recall, there was even a "war between the states" in there somewhere, wasn't there?

    Let's face it, McMan, if you go far enough back in history, practically EVERY piece of land on the planet that is currently inhabited by a particular group was ORIGINALLY inhabited by some other group... from Rwanda to Britain to Australia to Moscow. Those original groups were more often than not exterminated by the newcomers. The really lucky ones were only enslaved.

    But at least the USA hasn't been into genocide for the last century or so. This is more than can be said for Germany, Japan, Cambodia, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Yugoslavia, and about three quarters of the nations in Africa. Tribalism sucks.

    "...why have we successfully managed to kill millions of people in other lands...?"

    Millions? Even taking the hugely inflated body counts from the Viet Nam war into consideration, there is no way that Americans have killed millions in other lands, with the possible exception of WW II. Sorry, but I'm gonna need to see some hard figures on this one.

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    Re: What's this obssession with East Timor? [Re: Phred]
        #394810 - 09/15/01 02:19 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Aha! We'll, East Timor is right next to Australia and its was our PMs wingen' that resulted in a UN peace-keeping force going in to protect the newly independent East-Timorese from pro-Indonesia militias (Indonesia annexed the state when its colonial power Portugal pulled out)
    I think there was a massacre of East Timorese before this, but i think are talking about far less peoples, and Indonesia and West Timorese pro-Jakarta militias were the nasties who did it...
    Thinking of Portugal - after seeing the Big brother from there and then the chicks at the Portugese Grand Prix - and also reading that they had officially legalised/de-criminalised all naughty substances - im moving there ASAP!!!



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        #394811 - 09/15/01 02:20 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    kool ::in a stupid George Dubbaya way::

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: gray1]
        #395041 - 09/15/01 12:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Gray
    I am not saying that. I am saying I am responsible for my actions. The terrorists who went down with the planes are responsible for there actions. And America does stand for individual freedom. What the richest 1 percent do with our resources does not make me guilty. I would not die for there motives. My analogy about conspiracy, and linking backers or supporters to the event itself, is in total agreement with the concept of individual freedom and free will. I don't want to be held accountable for my governments actions, because I pay taxes. It was a group of individuals that commited these crimes. They acted of there own free will. This is the most treasured liberty of the free world. Living according to your FREE WILL. This is what people fight for, they don't fight because someone tells them to or pays them too. They fight because they feel like they should. These people we want live in every country, including our own. They are all individuals, united by a common cause, terrorism. But the majority of the thought going on here, is ignoring that they are individuals. Lumping them all together as one individual, guilt by association. This is the very rational that alot of us fight ever day. I don't want to stop smoking dope, because someone else has difficulty using. I don't want to hate Muslims, because a few extremists are doing HORRIFIC things. This country actually liked OBL before he turned his terror on us. He was liked when he was fighting the Soviet Union, he was liked when he was supporting the widows of soldiers lost fighting the invasion of Afghanistan, he was considered a humanitarian. Then he decided the USA was a colonialist country, like England, or France. He saw the PEOPLE of a dictatorship suffering because of the policies of that 1 percent richest Americans, with sanctions against Iraq. In essence we are now a threat to him, and his individual freedom. Does this even remotely justify the actions of any individual to do these things, absolutely not. Because in the end we are all individuals, and we do not control the actions of our governments. Even in the land of the free, your government does things that you disagree with, Why would it be any different in any other country. We elect our officials, most of these countries do not.
    So I pray for myself, and for all humanity, that the actions of so few don't result in even further loss of life.
    Do you honestly believe that you are responsible for the actions of anyone but yourself? This is the HORROR of killing innocent Americans, this is the HORROR of killing innocent Afganis. People seem to be under the notion that every person living in Afghanistan is guilty, because there corrupt government, like all governments, is not giving up the KNOWN terrorists. By that rational, it was in essence OK to attack the USA. You can't rationally have it both ways, you can't se3e yourself as an individual, but view everyone else as a group.
    You are an individual, and they are all individuals, and the responsible individuals should continue to pay. I think the people who are running our country right now, Bush and friends, are entirely aware of this, and are going ahead with extreme caution, I respect this administration more and more every day. I think they understand the notion of individual responsibility, at least under this circumstance. They know that the average JOE living in Afghanistan has absolutely zero power of influence over his governments actions. So when they do make the links, and decide who else is guilty, our government can respond with complete accuracy. We don't intentionaly kill innocent people!!!
    I do find it extremely hard to believe that the people on the other side of the fence, OUR ENEMIES, can't understand that we are a country of individuals, and beyond voting people into office, we have very little control over the policies they dictate. IF the targets were all MILITARY, it would have made sense at some level, but killing civilians is never a solution.



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        #395047 - 09/15/01 01:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    And CACA
    That is exactly what I meant with my shroomery analogy. I do not want to be held responsible for the actions of others. I don't want to be attacked by force, because I post here, and someone might commit a crime with the information that is posted here. This is in complete agreement with the concept of FREE WILL. I am not responsible for anyones actions, except my own, even if I send money, send information, or even directly talk about illegal activity. I should not be held responsible for the actions of the "kid". I sometimes wonder how Charles Manson, and numerous mobsters are sitting in jail. Because they told people to do something. They did not do it!!! Now if they had held guns to the heads of their followers and said do it or your dead!!! Now that I could understand!! We are all individuals responsible for our own actions, that is all I am really saying. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM SAYING, I don't care if you agree or disagree, you are an individual too.



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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: ]
        #395169 - 09/15/01 04:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    uh... yeah this is all fine but I'm sick of arguing with people lacking foresight or hindsight HELLO you cannot infringe on other peoples' rights while exercising your rights. Stop trying to play devil's advocate. I understand what you are trying to say, ofcourse, but you're wrong. That is the exact same thing as saying "the devil shouldn't burn in hell". What are you trying to make everyone think backwards again? Do we need Sherlock Holmes out here? What is going on in your mind? What is the motive? The person who gets people to do this is responsible because he has a mouth and ideas in his head and he spreads this and he makes it happen. Without that person who makes it happen, those people probably would not have used their free will to do this. He uses his free will to make this happen, because he WANTS IT TO. Remember that there are various ways of controlling people also.



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        #395209 - 09/15/01 05:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    ****I NEVER STUDIED ENGLISH****

    It shows

    Am i running out of arguments? With you being an idiot? there is no argument..keep typing, with every keystroke you look even more like a fool

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: McMan]
        #395394 - 09/15/01 09:19 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    i think you meant to respond to someone else. I know nothing of East Timor.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
        #396528 - 09/17/01 09:58 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Your right CACA, I am wrong!!! KILL THEM ALL!!!!!
    CACA for president, WORDS AND IDEAS are crimes!!! The devil made me do it!!! Who is thinking backwards here? I find it reassuring that individuals are responsible for others actions in your world. The ultimate victory of these terrorists, is the ability of so few to completely cause so many to forget what INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is. To forget that individuals are responsible for their own actions.
    If I give your family a million dollars, will you go bomb a church? If I threaten the lives of your family will you bomb that church? What scenario would cause you to bomb a church? Is there anything I could do to you to make you kill a bunch of innocent people? What control are you talking about? Isreal does exactly what you are talking about. They trace the chain of events, find out who directed the bombers, and they kill them. They do so avoiding as many civilian casualties as possible. Do I agree with this, no. Why you ask, because it has not and does not stop terrorism. If anything it perpetuates it. And like I stated before, the responsible party usually goes down with the act.
    I guess you are also for outlawing guns, knives, or anything that could be used as a weapon. You also are for outlawing books and information, anything that might insight someone to do harm, or commit illegal acts.
    And what was it you said, you cannot infringe on someones rights while acting out your own rights. Our own government does it every day, DRUG TESTING, OUTLAWING CONSUMPTION OF DRUGS, OUTLAWING SELF MEDICATION, TRIAL BY AMBUSH IN FEDERAL COURTS, ......... the list can go on and on. Look at are own court system and the past DOMESTIC Terrorist act in Oklahoma. You believe they acted alone, how about the original TRADE CENTER BOMBING. You do realize that a FEDERAL snitch helped build the bomb, and his supervising agents were aware that they were going to use it, and told him to precede forward, everything was under control. The feds also had a snitch inside the waco compound, and they were aware that the Davidians knew about the raid, but preceded forward anyways. Where does your responsibility chain start and stop? Who is ultimately responsible? Better yet, who ends up paying the price for your philosophy, I assure you it will be paid with yet more innocent lives!!!! AS will my philosophy. But at least in my world, you will still be free, and every individual will be held responsible for his own actions. There will be no guilt by association, you can say what ever you want in my world, I may not like it, or agree with it, some may even use the information in an extreme way, but I will not blame you for the actions of others, even if your power of speech is so eloquant as to insight rage and action on that rage.

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        #396670 - 09/17/01 01:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    How much less can you understand an idea?

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: ]
        #396678 - 09/17/01 01:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    I never said that the government isn't fucked up. I know for a fact that it is. This doesn't mean that you should harm people. I would like to outlaw weapons. What do we need weapons for? You don't make any sense when you talk. You take one thing someone says and you twist it to the best of your ability. You're just like those people that say communism would work if not for the human factor. Since you're applying it to humans, it won't work right now, so, theoretically can be forgotten. Words and ideas are not the crime. I can't stop people from doing harmless things. When someone is stirring people to do things, its a different story. You are thinking backwards, only you didn't quite get why I said that or what backwards thinking was being addressed. You find something reassuring, so you cling to it. That is turning a blind eye. Your "philosophy" needs a couple of patches.

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        #396679 - 09/17/01 01:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    I'm so fucking sick of you people that get "woken up" from doing mushrooms and so think you have something to say. You fucking people make me sick. Go be some dumb girl's boyfriend.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
        #396689 - 09/17/01 02:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Given the fact that this is one of the longest threads I've seen here at shroomery.com. I think it's fair to say that this is at least an issue that concerns all of us. Yes this was an inevitable event but I can't say that I'm glad it happened b/c thousands of people died and if that puts a smile on your face, you should be burned along with those that were directly responsible. What I can do is try to make the best of it and realize that America is going to unite like it never has before. People from every ethnicity and background are going to stand shoulder to shoulder in defiance of these fuckers and we are going to be a stronger nation in the end.



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    Re: What's this obssession with East Timor? [Re: Zen Peddler]
        #396715 - 09/17/01 02:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Your're wellcome in Portugal bluemeanie and everybody else is, yes we have very nice chicks arround here, about the "naughty substances" we de-criminalised soft-drugs consuption a few months ago but we don't give a fuck because we were allways able to consume them with no problem, Portugal is the number one country on letting people do its life, so is no joke when i say that i smoke a joint at daylight on the streets, nobody gives a fuck, the police and the society in general are very compreensive, so as long you don't make shit you're just fine, our society gives the reponsability to each one.
    As for East Timor goes i know the fucking story very well, the United States have allways sell weapons to the Indonesian governament, in fact it was 2 or 3 years ago that the portuguese diplomacy managed to convince some congresist to cut those sells and we did it, yes USA sold weapons, bullets, missiles airplanes, helicopters, they managed to give a hand to Suarto regime very well, it consisted on 25 years of terror and violence, why did the USA never protected the Timories ? Easy, no oil, no petroleum or whatever, they made it by selling weapons, the timories... fuck them, they were just a bunch of monkies ruled by some pseudo-comunist leader that now after 25 years is a fotographer, why Kwait and not Timor ? ANSWER THIS FUCKING QUESTION!!!!
    I'm in deep sorrow for what happened to all US fellows, no human being can be responsible for it's government actions, i hate killings as anybody here SHOULD hate, but the american people must realized that you're controled by your own idealism, you can't make a distinction between your nation and your governament.

    YOU are a great nation because you have very capable PEOPLE, capable of doing amazing things, yes i'm using this computer because of you, THANK YOU for promoting my inteligence but when you ask something in return your going down to the lowest levels, my ancesters discoverd half of the world using some instruments made by the arab people, should i ask you something for it ?, should the arabs ask me something for it? Would you like Osama ask you something for it ? Perhaps he did ask, that's why he's a scum . YOU have a semi-automated regime, your governament runs by itself allways bringing up all the nation and patriotism stuff, why can't you american people run by yourself, what's the fucking problem in putting you americans in the first place, NOT nation in the first place, PEOPLE in first place for gods sakes!!!! The nation says, lets nukem!! Yeah! and then what ? More planes going down arround the world ? But where ? Not only in the US for sure, it would be EVERYWHERE !!

    Then who would be responsible, who would be responsible if a fucking bomb explodes in my country and kills all my family, YOU the individual or YOU the nation, Vietnam YOU didn't do it, Cambodja YOU didn't do it, Korea YOU didn't do it, Kwait YOU didn't do it, Yugoslavia YOU didn't do it, FBI, CIA and the nukes is what you believe in, now who's that YOU, the individual or the nation ? Who's responsable ? What makes your people more important than those inocents that will die in Afgenistan if you attack ? Are YOU atacking a nation or their people ? Stop making the american way the worlds way, there are many that still want their little hut in the woods instead this technocratic world that has been created by some, i support the american PEOPLE not the american governament, my heart is with you in this sad moment, BE STRONG and show your best, not your revenge!
    BTW, it looks like i have to make a "sorry for my english" in this thread, so .. sorry for my english. PEOPLE FIRST , not the fucking system ruled by some, just make you nation be your people.

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        #396720 - 09/17/01 02:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Don't have to be sorry for your English. If your English isn't perfect, it means you're bilingual, which is good, ofcourse. Nice post.

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    Re: What's this obssession with East Timor? [Re: MAIA]
        #397194 - 09/17/01 11:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Try putting yourself in America's shoes MAIA. What would you do if you saw 10,000 or so of your countrymen killed by someone else's twisted version of a political statement. Just like Bush said, "those who are responsible and those who harbor whoever was responsible will be punished." I didn't vote for Bush but I couldn't agree with that statement more. What would you have us do, turn the other cheek? Doing so would not only jeopardize American lives, but people all over the world as well. Americans have fought and died for what we are today. We are the greatest and most prosperous nation in the world because of our government and I fully trust them to handle this situation appropriately. Given we are not perfect, but who is?



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        #398908 - 09/20/01 07:36 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    First off, shrooms did not awaken me, I've been awake since I was concieved. I still just don't understand your argument, I guess. How do you consider spreading information a crime? If I spread it in the form of say anti-drug war literature, insighting people to commit the crime of possesion, this would be o.k, but if I insight them to blow up a building, this is wrong. I should be held liable for the second scenario, but not the first, or both, or neither. What are you saying?
    I am simply saying, I DON"T THINK EITHER SHOULD BE A CRIME. What is a crime is possesing something illegal, and actually blowing up a building. This is backwards to you!!! But if I have not done either, I am not commiting a crime. So how do you justify holding me liable?




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        #398914 - 09/20/01 07:53 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Secondly, my girlfriend doesn't appreciate being called dumb.

    As far as banning weapons, I would have to disagree here also. In complete agreement with my individual responsibility concept, and free will, WEAPONS DO NOT KILL, PEOPLE DO. The only weapons I would like to see banned are land mines. They have a nasty habit of remaining long after war has come to a close. Eventually killing and injuring long after the fact. This is about the only WEAPON that has a life of it's own.
    And if you hate people who consume shrooms so much, why are you spending time at the shroomery? Does it make you feel superior to the rest of us, " the awakened ones" who are to ignorant to form ideas on our own, unlike you!!!
    Who are you? Do you feel I am stupid because I don't draw conclusions, that you would draw. That I think individuals should be held responsible for their own actions, not the actions they insight in other people. Would you hold a person responsible for starving someone to death, if this person went on a fast to protest, and the death was a result of some inspired party to fast also. I just disagree with the whole conspiracy theory. I disagree. Don't worry though, my belief is the minority belief, so you have nothing to be angry about, and you can refrain from attacking me personally, and my girlfriend. I never called you stupid, because you disagreed. I respect your individualism, unlike you.



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        #398959 - 09/20/01 09:38 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    All you are doing is making a pathetic baseless argument. Just stop already, you're embarassing yourself. You say that you've been "awake" since you were concieved, but you don't act like it at all. You are talking like some 15 year-old with time on his hands. I don't really care what anyone's girlfriend thinks about what I say. I have never heard an intelligent comment come from a girl's mouth- it is to my dismay that I can report this truthfully. So, you think it would be a good idea if we gave serial rapists a roomfull of their favorites and give a sociopath the license to kill ? Are you saying that it is a KID's fault and NOT the industry's fault that they are the way they are right now? You are the wave of the future. You are the type of idiot that will ruin humanity. Children aren't even fucking children, you piece of shit. Little girl, 8 and younger walking about in mini-skirts. Shame on you. SHAME on YOU. Would you also put a match next to a gas heater while you're standing next to it and if you lived, would you say, "It was the gas's fault that I got hurt." You won't do that, because you know that you are going to get hurt if you do. Your logic, your reasoning, is totally faulted and I hate to even get into specifics. Also, how about giving every country permission to launch nuclear strikes on the U.S. without having to live in fear of retaliation? Would that be our fault or theirs? What is it with you and "fault"? It would be OUR fault for inviting them and making a STUPID mistake of inviting it, bringing it upon ourselves. How can you continue to argue your argument? I hate arguing, but it is your kind of person that will destroy us all. Beyond that, who in China would be blamed for the nuclear strikes? Would it be the person who pressed the button or the person who gave the go ahead or the person who decided that they would take the opportunity?? Just shut up. And no, your assumption is wrong. I am not here because I like to feel above people. That is just like a person like yourself to think the worst of people. I am here, because I thought I would find lots of open-minded people and instead I found a bunch of people with nothing but the same thing to say all in the same voice. I am here because if I feel the need to, I would like to contribute to any post or to help and to learn. Who are you to question why I am here?

    :frown: Time for a cigarette.

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    Re: USA HAS GONE CRAZY - TERRORIST ATACKS!!!!! [Re: CACA]
        #399442 - 09/20/01 09:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    "I have never heard an intelligent comment come from a girl's mouth- it is to my dismay that I can report this truthfully. "

    you're not around many girls then are you? or you just dont listen to them?



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        #399444 - 09/20/01 09:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    You are right. I don't hang around with many people, but I do have ears and eyes and I do know women in their 40's, women in their 30's and what not and they're just as stupid as the younger ones that I have known from highschool.

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        #399494 - 09/20/01 10:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    wow....and they think i'm hateful. shhheeesshh. Maybe you should hang out with smarter people then.

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        #399502 - 09/20/01 10:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    I'm not hateful. I do care about how nice a person is over how smart they are, but I don't like it when women try to be the equal of men and in their quest, forget that they are women. Forget it, I don't even want to talk about this. I am not hateful towards women.

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        #399809 - 09/21/01 11:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    CACA for a moment I thought I was arguing with a person, now I know I am arguing with you!!! Get a life!!! Your lack of anything intelligent to say is totally apparent. Your total lack in ability to understand anything I have said is now apparent. I just thought you disagreed, now I know you really don't understand.
    No where in my argument did I say you blame fire for a death, in your little analogy, you would be responsible for lighting it, I on the other hand should not be, if I told you to do it. GET IT.
    Thanks for your last posts, they were very enlightening. How old are you 17? Still a virgin? Or are you just a premature ejaculator, hating women for your inadequacies? Women are equal to men, and all men were created equal. That is freedom, and all the civil liberties that come with it. That is why we are fighting terrorists, because they oppose equality, and dictate Morality. Their subjective interpretation of it. Which runs counter to our subjective interpretation of it. Every considered becoming a born again Hasidic jew, or an extremist Islamic, or a fundamentalist Christian, you would fit right in. Their way or the highway, the highway to hell.



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        #399908 - 09/21/01 01:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Sure, Teonan. You want things to mean anything they can because you can never be wrong and just say that people don't see the "bigger picture", in a sense. I don't like getting into details, because I don't like being on my hands and knees for other people. YOUR total lack for understanding the TRUTH is not amazing, but expected. If you are old enough to put 17 so far beneath you, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for still not understanding what even you are saying. You call my analogy "little", but there is no analogy that can ever be 100% right. That analogy, in my opninion was just fine. If you don't want it to be, thats another thing. I'm just getting sick of having to kneel over to speak to you the way you want to be spoken to just to get my point across. Like a little kid having temper tantrums. Whether someone is still a virgin or not, which could be true for any number of reasons, which you picked one that MUST be true against me, erroneously, both in application and in selection, and this has nothing to do with the argument, whether you want it to have something to do with it or not. I have let it be known that I have not have sex and I do not care if I have not. You want to call people that are like I am extremists. You are wrong. You just want to be so far off and to bring the standard with you so you don't feel bad when you realize you're wrong. Glass. What you are saying is what seems all to easy to rush to, incomplete and untruthful. Don't think I do not and cannot see what you're trying to say. Whatever, if you have the mindlessness to say what you just said, you'll probably wake up a year from now and realize that your argument was wrong. Your feathers got ruffled when I said that, didn't they? I didn't mean for that to happen. Shows whats really behind there. Women are not 100% equal to men in everything and that is obvious. Men are not 100% equals of women by the same coin and by the very fact that women are not 100% equal to men. Women should kiss our feet for bringing them this far if they love it for being the age where they were able to less loose and be WHORES. They don't think the same as almost all men are able to. Men are able to think about problems even when there is no answer in sight. Women are more pragmatic. You SHOULD be ashamed of yourself. I do not subscribe to any religion at this time, so feel free to PM me with the address of your faithless establishment.

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        #401060 - 09/22/01 08:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Man bro, losen up a bit. By your posts against women, I just assumed you were a virgin, for what ever reason. And that is not a bad thing. Like I said before, I respect you, and your opinions. I just don't know if many women would. Your definition of equality is just something I don't grasp. I agree men and women are different, but neither is superior or inferior to the other, that is what I meant by equal. You can believe all you want, and believe in whatever you want, like I said it all comes down to Free will, and individual responsibility. At least it does in my mind.
    Peace Teonan

    And p.s. being young is a good thing, I wasn't saying that in a derogatory way.
    Don't worry I have been convienced now that it all was a Jewish conspiracy anyways, LOL.

    And by the way do you talk to your mother about your feelings for women. I mean shit, someone had to drag your ass around for 9 months or so, oh ya, a woman. Who is caring who. If men had to give birth, we would have died as a species long before we even knew about terrorism.

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        #401068 - 09/22/01 09:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    eh, just cause your mom and other female relitives might not be so bright, doesn't mean other women aren't. Some of the most brilliant people I have ever known were women, but I guess you don't learn that unless you actually get to know them. You say you're still a virgin, so I'm guessing you've never been in love, and thats pretty much the only way a man can learn about all a woman has inside her. You seem like a smart guy from most of your posts, but I guess you're just completely ignorant of what a woman really is.



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        #401108 - 09/22/01 10:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    i actually prefer working for woman than men...too much of an EGO clash with other men...

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        #401483 - 09/23/01 11:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    i think that would be true, but then you have to factor that "dumb bitch" in there.

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        #401490 - 09/23/01 11:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    Why do you hate woman so much? Just curious because i work with many woman who are extremely smart and make close to 6 figures some are friends some are workmates...I guarentee they are a lot more successful than yourself..are they still dumb?

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        #401491 - 09/23/01 11:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    I wasn't talking about my mother and other female relatives. I have been in love. I know what a woman is. I am sure I don't know all about them. I forgot what I was talking about.

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        #401493 - 09/23/01 11:58 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    You can garantee? That depends on how you measure success, which ofcourse you knew, so why did you even say it? You want hand? Buy some. Listen up cunt, I don't hate women. Being smart and making alot of money don't always go hand in hand.

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        #401495 - 09/23/01 11:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    so only your mother and female relatives are smart? If they associate themselves with your point of view then i'm afraid they are as ignorant as yourself. (ingnorant meaning you don't know)

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        #401497 - 09/23/01 12:01 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    It obviosly doesn't help you with your perpetual bad grammer. Maybe you should have a woman write your posts for now on hillbilly.


    oh and calling a guy a "cunt" doesn't really work......man you are ignorant. Hurry up before your mom finds out you're on the computer

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        #401499 - 09/23/01 12:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    ? hillbilly... okay. i have no need for good grammar. i had phd in english when i was in 11 grade. i am not interested in that anymore.

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        #401502 - 09/23/01 12:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    and no theyre not smart. mom = nurse. aunts = nurses.

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        #401503 - 09/23/01 12:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    from stupidity breeds stupidity. Sorry my friend you are a product of a dumb family. Sucks to be you hillbilly...oh i'm sorry..er, i meant Dr. hillbilly

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        #401508 - 09/23/01 12:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    ... ?.. how old are you acting like that..?

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        #401511 - 09/23/01 12:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    who is this "from" ? how does this from type of stupidity breed stupidity. you think its true, but i know it is not. you would like it to be true,i know, but today is not your lucky day.

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        #401513 - 09/23/01 12:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    sounds to me you're starting to feel small. It's understandable. If you want to be taken seriously or even reguarded as a person with the minimal intelligence you might want to check your ignorance at the door. I only chimed in because you were digging your self deeper into the pool of ignorance and thought i'd pull you out of it. It seems to me you love the swims you've been taking and have no intention on getting out the pool.

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        #401516 - 09/23/01 12:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    starting to feel small..? are you on mushrooms right now..? there is no reason for me to feel small because some half-pint from a website is humorously trying to be slick. maybe pushing works for you, but i don't go that way.

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        #401826 - 09/23/01 06:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    i'm beginning to feel sorry for you. You type like your 4 years old and you have the gall to say that women are stupid?..ha ha you're quite amusing. Sounds to me that your a bit bitter about an old girlfriend or something.

    Seek help. Be sure that it's professional. Does your mom even know you have access to that computer you're using?

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        #401909 - 09/23/01 08:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    alright, grown man. this has gotten way off-topic and you're really not making any points or sense, so i am ending my side of this discussion.

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        #402094 - 09/23/01 11:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

    ok, if you don't want to talk about your completely ignorant stance on woman, then what do you have against nurses? hell, you just said making money and being intelligence doesnt go hand in hand, so why would nursing be an unintelligent profession? because you need to show compassion and help other people for a living?



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    nice bump

    No one was talking about the controlled demolition yet though - guess that took a while for people to realize.

    I remember waiting for a better explanation of the collapes, and thought it would take a month or two maybe.  10 years later, and all we have are pancake theories.


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