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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8821257 - 08/24/08 05:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It's already started:

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Alabama will be the first state to charge overweight state workers who don't work on slimming down, while a handful of other states reward employees who adopt healthy behaviors.

Alabama already charges workers who smoke — and has seen some success in getting them to quit — but now has turned its attention to a problem that plagues many in the Deep South: obesity.

The State Employees' Insurance Board this week approved a plan to charge state workers starting in January 2010 if they don't have free health screenings.




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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8821444 - 08/24/08 06:25 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> Insurance companies get sued all the time.  And lose huge judgments.

They usually settle, but they definitely get sued a lot.  Living in a tourist destination, I see a lot of lawsuits from the tourists against people on island.  Some idiot tourist gets drunk, trips, sprains his wrist, and decides that he is entitled to a few million dollars for the pain and suffering due to his drunken stupidity.  The sad part is the insurance companies will settle rather than fight these bogus lawsuits.  Very annoying.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Seuss]
    #8821730 - 08/24/08 07:22 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Seuss said:
> Seuss-See brazil.

Good point.  Socialism at work:

http://www.boston.com/news/world/latinamerica/articles/2006/09/25/brazil_murder_rate_similar_to_war_zone_data_shows/
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More than 150 Brazilians were murdered each day last year (2006) on average, putting Brazil on a par with some war zones in terms of its homicide rate, the Justice Ministry said on Monday.




http://poverty2.forumone.com/library/view/8638/
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The level of poverty in Brazil is well above the norm for a middle-income country.




http://indexmundi.com/brazil/unemployment_rate.html
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Unemployment rate (for 2007): 9.80%




http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/blumen2.html
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In Brazil, technological progress has gone into reverse, stupidity has won out over innovation, shirking takes the place of productivity, and the absurd is accepted as normal. There is a repeated visual motif of overly complex technologies that perform simple tasks badly. Many devices are broken, malfunctioning, or otherwise not user-friendly. For example, data entry workers peer at tiny computer monitors through huge magnifying glasses. A breakfast machine sprays coffee and produces soggy toast. Alarms will not shut off. These are all clear examples of bureaucratically imposed solutions that have not passed a market test.




http://www.amnesty.org/en/for-media/press-releases/brazil-freedom-expression-under-threat-para-police-torture-reporters-200
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Press freedom and the protection of human rights is being jeopardised by the brutal actions of criminal gangs made up of off-duty police officers in Rio de Janeiro, said Amnesty International, as reports emerged of the kidnap and torture of a team of reporters by a para-policing group, known locally as milicias.




http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_hum_dev_ind-economy-human-development-index
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Human Development Index:
#1 Norway
#10 United States
#30 Barbados
#41 Qatar
#45 Croatia
#50 Bahamas, The
#58 Libya
#63 Brazil




http://www.worldwide-tax.com/brazil/brazil_taxes.asp
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Individual Income Tax: 15% to 27.5%

Corporate Tax: Brazil's corporate tax rate for 2007 is 34%.The tax consists of a basic tax of 15%. There is also a surtax of 10% for annual income of over BRL 240,000, about $ 110,000. Additonal 9% are added for social contribution on net profits.




Thanks for pointing a great example of socialism screwing over a country.


Brazil was fucked up long before socialism. It's the drug trade and corruption that creates brazil's problems. Not socialized healthcare. You failed to mention that they are not dependant on fossile fuels. If we werent so caught up in the money that oil produces where do you think all that extra dough would go? South america isnt even a super power, yet there isnt one state in our country where things are different. What have you shown me?


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #8821779 - 08/24/08 07:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You're the one who brought up Brazil. What were you trying to point out?


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Coaster]
    #8821833 - 08/24/08 07:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Coaster said:
dude if we didnt have the drug war we would be paying no more in taxes than we did now to fund our medical system
and besides i bet your paying a lot right now for medicare but you dont view it as a tax





How do you figure?

At an estimation of 50Billion state and federal drug war-related spending per year, which seems to be close to accurate all things considered last time I tried to find some accurate numbers, and a 2004 figure of 265$ B dollars spent on medicare, I see no way this is anything remotely close to accurate.

Given further that medicare spending in 04 was only 12% of spending on healthcare in the US in 04, and that the 50 billion drug war figure would need to be swallowed by the feds for exclusively healthcare with states and feds cutting their spending/taxation accordingly for the gain to be felt in toto, I don't think its realistic- bye bye excess swat/pig patrol/prosecutor/prison thug jobs and assorted other drug war employment programs.

The only other option would be that all the drug war jobs are lost and the states use their share of the excess funds exclusively on health care programs and fire all the prison guards/cops/ other crap rather than kicking it to the feds.

I should note that neither firing state workers and giving their salaries to the feds nor states running their own healthcare programs with these salaries, if the citezins want socialist care so badly, seems to be a realistic option.


While I've neglected to consider existing state-ran programs the sheer magnitude of your false promise is readily apparent allready.




This pretty much sums up the problem of letting the government manage the money.  You think they will make cuts to fund a program?  Nope, not if it means taking heat from politicians and families that have lived quite comfortably working for the criminal justice industry and prosecuting victimless crimes for a decent proportion of their salary.  Check out the rural legislators in areas with huge prisons... guess who is "tough on crime"? 

While we should end the drug war, it would take time to get the monies back from the bloated criminal justice fields and into the treasury, and the gain wouldn't be anywhere close to enough to cover healthcare.  Hell, it wouldn't even be close to enough to cover existing medicare programs (before the prescription drug bill, mind you).


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Redstorm]
    #8821836 - 08/24/08 07:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i was talking about socialism not being so bad. He was talking about a bunch of issues he feels socialism is responsible for. Socialism isnt the cause.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Redstorm]
    #8821870 - 08/24/08 07:52 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
You're the one who brought up Brazil. What were you trying to point out?





1:  Socialism is bad
2:  No it isn't. 
1:  Yes it is, it is wrong and bad for the country.
2.  No it isn't, check out Brazil
1:  Brazil is bad [source]
2:  Yes Brazil is bad, but it has a rich history of being bad. And it is also socialist mind you.
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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: johnm214]
    #8821919 - 08/24/08 08:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

it's not about winning.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #8823542 - 08/25/08 06:58 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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it's not about winning.




Well, socialism certainly isn't about winning, that's for sure.




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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Phred]
    #8823595 - 08/25/08 07:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

winning what? that doesnt even make any sense.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #8823664 - 08/25/08 08:19 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I can't believe people aren't making a bigger deal about Biden blatantly lieing to us that he wasn't the pick. We really are a bunch of sheep.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Shnezbit]
    #8823744 - 08/25/08 08:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> I can't believe people aren't making a bigger deal about Biden blatantly lieing to us that he wasn't the pick.

Oh, he was just pretending that he wasn't Biden.  :rolleyes:

(In the grand scheme of lies that politicians tell, regardless of political party, this is really pretty minor.)


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Seuss]
    #8823757 - 08/25/08 08:53 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: tomnl]
    #8823781 - 08/25/08 09:02 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Joe Biden Has a Much Higher IQ Than You




http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8b5_1219507341



BTW

"He didn't get a full scholarship, and the partial scholarship he received was based purely on financial need, not academic excellence. He graduated 76th of 85 students, not "in the top half" of his class. He didn't get "three degrees" in college; he got one degree in a double major, which is hardly some sort of amazing feat. (Where did he get three degrees from? No idea. Captain Ed suggests that math was obviously not one of the three.)


http://ace.mu.nu/



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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8823909 - 08/25/08 09:50 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, that's a shitty remark, it would have been great to hear the response if he were to say that at a MENSA meeting.

But this was the '88 elections. He likely was right, look at the competition. One of the worst crops in a presidential primary/election in the history of the country.

:shrug:



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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: numonkei]
    #8825869 - 08/25/08 04:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think the intelligence of a presidential candidate affects the voters in any big way...:sad:


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zouden]
    #8825927 - 08/25/08 04:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> I don't think the intelligence of a presidential candidate affects the voters in any big way...:sad:

And I hate to admit it, but I don't think intelligence is important in being a good president. Jimmy Carter is my example.  One of the smartest people to ever hold the office, yet an absolute horrid failure of a president.


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: Seuss]
    #8826032 - 08/25/08 05:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think it shows that the president isn't as powerful as we would like to think; there are other forces at work (aka the media, big business and lobby groups)


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Re: Biden's "I'm Not The Guy" Remark [Re: zouden]
    #8826126 - 08/25/08 05:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

How about......Wait for it>>>>>>>??????? Here it comes..........It's a doozy>>>>>>>>>>????????<<<<<<<<<<












The fucking Congress.  Yes, that's right THE pre-eminent legislative body in the US government.  Yowzah Yowzah Yowzah.


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