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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Yeetusdeetus said:
Who has Snowden hurt?

Who specifically?


I don't have names. I know he disclosed tons of classified documents that revealed secrets that could be used against American citizens.


In what way?  I'm just trying to understand your argument.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Yeetusdeetus] * 1
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Yeetusdeetus said:
Near Dylan said:
Hitler brought back the Sudetenland with no bloodshed and revolutionized transportation in Germany, so :shrug:


Abraham Lincoln ordered the largest mass execution in US history. 38 Dakota Indians hanged


Not close to the worst offender for killing Native Americans not by a margin of about 60 thousand people that were killed in the trail of tears spearheaded by Andrew Jackson in the Indian removal act of 1830 which was the largest mass executions of Native Americans. Systematic slaughter for land and resources period. To suggest Lincoln rose to that level seems ridiculous.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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While the trail of tears was an absolute tragedy it’s technically not classified as an execution

I was using Lincoln as an example to contrast the good things he did

Jackson was a bad guy but he also dismantled the B.U.S. and helped establish state banks


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Yeetusdeetus] * 2
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Tucker lost the evidence... that I’m sure was totally real.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-says-he-had-authentic-damning-new-hunter-biden-documents-it-got-lost-mail-1543084%3famp=1


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
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Yeetusdeetus said:
The information pertaining to american citizens shouldn’t have been recorded in the first place. The patriot act was massively unpopular, I’m sure if it was put to a popular vote it would be considered unlawful. People don’t want to be spied on.

The politicians elected to represent the people for the most part represent special interests. We have the capability to hold popular votes for certain issues but politicians would never allow that to happen.


You say that now, but when it was first enacted people (not myself) were all about that shit. "Please big brother record my phone calls so the big bad Osama doesn't get me."

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Enlil said:
Yeetusdeetus said:
Who has Snowden hurt?

Who specifically?


I don't have names. I know he disclosed tons of classified documents that revealed secrets that could be used against American citizens.


In what way?  I'm just trying to understand your argument.


Intelligence operations are effective to the extent that they are secret.  Once a target knows the methods by which intelligence is gathered, they can use countermeasures to avoid those methods.  By releasing millions of documents, any target or potential target can see what it is that intelligence agencies are doing and can often determine how they are doing it.  This is the same reason that police don't release information about active investigations. 

People who work in intelligence get security clearances for this very reason.  As a result, Snowden betrayed his vow and the trust granted him by the people by dumping millions of classified documents, when he could have narrowly tailored his disclosure. I'm certainly not in favor of the metadata collection that used to occur, but I'm also not in favor of giving away the whole store to fix one problem...particularly a problem that didn't result in anyone getting killed and can be fixed by deleting data from servers.

If Snowden had exposed a mass detention/extermination program, or some system in place to silence dissidents with novichok, it might be different. The greater the evil, the larger the sacrifice people are willing to make to confront it.  Here, though, we're talking about a program that was conducted with permission from the court wherein data that already was being collected and stored is copied to government servers for later analysis.  That simply cannot justify the release of millions of classified documents, most of which were about completely different things.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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I concur with your assessment. A targeted release of material to expose a particular abuse of power would make him a legitimate anti-authoritarian activist and folk hero. A mass dump of millions of classified emails has every sign of an anarchist shit stirrer.

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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Metoo]
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“Don’t expose too many crimes”


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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He hasn't exposed a single crime so far, and it's been like 7 years.  I suspect if he had any evidence of crimes, we would have seen them by now.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
He hasn't exposed a single crime so far, and it's been like 7 years.  I suspect if he had any evidence of crimes, we would have seen them by now.


Yeetusdeetus said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-guardian-court-rules



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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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What's your point with that post?  To prove I'm correct?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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Correct about what?  That Joe Biden didn't lie?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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That Snowden hasn't exposed a single crime so far.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
That Snowden hasn't exposed a single crime so far.


Yeetusdeetus said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-guardian-court-rules




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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Again I ask:  What is the purpose of that post?  To prove I'm correct?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Yeetusdeetus said:
Enlil said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Correct about what?


That Snowden hasn't exposed a single crime so far.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/03/edward-snowden-nsa-surveillance-guardian-court-rules


Again I ask:  What is the purpose of that post?  To prove I'm correct?


The link shows that the NSA surveillance exposed by Snowden was illegal.  I don't understand the game you're playing.  :shrug:

Does anyone else understand?


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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It doesn't show a crime, though.  Not paying a phone bill is illegal.  That's not a crime, either.  Snowden did not expose any crimes, but he sure as shit committed one.


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Enlil]
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Alright if this is gonna turn into another 15 pages of complete semantics ima delete this damn thread


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
Enlil said:
It doesn't show a crime, though.  Not paying a phone bill is illegal.  That's not a crime, either.  Snowden did not expose any crimes, but he sure as shit committed one.


Alright if this is gonna turn into another 15 pages of complete semantics ima delete this damn thread


:toast:


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Re: Joe Biden? Really? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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He exposed that James Clapper lied under oath to Congress. Pretty sure that’s a crime.


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