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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Who cares what his response is. He’s a pathological liar.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
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From that N.Y. Times article,

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Officials said there was disagreement among intelligence officials about the strength of the evidence about the suspected Russian plot and the evidence linking the attack on the Marines to the suspected Russian plot, but they did not detail those disputes.

Notably, the National Security Agency, which specializes in hacking and electronic surveillance, has been more skeptical about interrogations and other human intelligence, officials said.

Typically, the president is formally briefed when the information has been vetted and seen as sufficiently credible and important by the intelligence professionals. Such information would most likely be included in the President’s Daily Brief.

Former officials said that in previous administrations, accusations of such profound importance — even if the evidence was not fully established — were conveyed to the president. “We had two threshold questions: ‘Does the president need to know this?’ and ‘Why does he need to know it now?’” said Robert Cardillo, a former senior intelligence official who briefed President Barack Obama from 2010 to 2014.

David Priess, a former C.I.A. daily intelligence briefer and the author of “The President’s Book of Secrets: The Untold Story of Intelligence Briefings to America’s Presidents,” said: “Many intelligence judgments in history have not had the consensus of every analyst who worked on it. That’s the nature of intelligence. It’s inherently dealing with uncertainty.”

Both Mr. Cardillo and Mr. Priess said previous presidents received assessments on issues of potentially vital importance even if they had dissents from some analysts or agencies. The dissents, they said, were highlighted for the president to help them understand uncertainties and the analytic process.




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But in denying that Mr. Trump was briefed, administration officials have been coy about how it is defining that concept and whether it includes both oral briefings and the President’s Daily Brief. “He was not personally briefed on the matter,” Ms. McEnany told reporters when asked specifically about the written briefing. “That is all I can share with you today.”

Mr. Trump is said to often neglect reading that document, preferring instead to receive an oral briefing summarizing highlights every few days. Even in those face-to-face meetings, he is particularly difficult to brief on national security matters. He often relies instead on conservative media and friends for information, current and former intelligence officials have said.



:archiebunker:  plausible deniability because he didn't personally read the important stuff?... or fake news?  If it's fake news then how come the NSC tweeted that classified information is being leaked?  :inonothing:

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To those government officials who betray the trust of the people of the United States by leaking classified information, your actions endanger our national security. No matter the motivation, there is never a justification for such conduct.




https://twitter.com/WHNSC/status/1277804151033004032?s=20

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
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So what we got here is, any other President and Vice President would have obviously been briefed on this, but in the case of these two, it was decided to not inform them.

OK


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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Metoo said:
I agree but also the traditional American values of personal freedom, right to protest, no censorship of the media were a huge disadvantage for the country of this size. This will not win me friends here but China is running much better software for dealing with a pandemic



It is true that a system like China's has obvious advantages in this situation due to their higher level of control over their population.

But we did bad compared to democracies too. I think Brazil is still making us look good though.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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Brian Jones said:
So what we got here is, any other President and Vice President would have obviously been briefed on this, but in the case of these two, it was decided to not inform them.

OK



It appears to be fake intelligence though.  They know Trump doesn't like fake intelligence/news nearly as much as our other Presidents did.  :shrug:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Putins spokesman says it fake


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Trump doesn’t like intelligence period.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Do
koods said:
Putins spokesman says it fake



Actually, the CIA Director, the National Security Advisor, and the Chief of Staff all said they didn't report it because it couldn't be verified.

But you keep on make believing that I'm Putin's spokeman, oh Great King of Make Believe!


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/he-would-have-been-briefed-instantaneously-wh-veteran-slams-trumps-comical-bountygate-denials/

I don't know how much credibility to grant this, but it appears to be an informed viewpoint.


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"The Rolling Stones will break up over Brian Jones' dead body"    John Lennon

I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

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The truth which conceals that there is none

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Brian Jones]
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I'm sure it's a credible story that this guy believes Trump should have been briefed, but I'll take the word of the the CIA Director, the National Security Advisor, and the Chief of Staff that he wasn't briefed over the word of some CNN political analyst.  :shrug:


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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im pretty sure both parties are coordinating how to get the lowest voter turnout, this gives the elites the most power

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I'm sure it's a credible story that this guy believes Trump should have been briefed, but I'll take the word of the the CIA Director, the National Security Advisor, and the Chief of Staff that he wasn't briefed over the word of some CNN political analyst.  :shrug:



Why would you believe them? This whole administration lies constantly. They know they suffer no consequences for lying to the media. They don’t care.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods] * 1
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CNN's given you fake news over and over again.  And here you are saying, "But THIS time we should believe someone from CNN who wasn't even part of the conversation!"

As was noted in the press briefing, "there were dissenting opinions within the intelligence community, and it would not be elevated to the President until it was verified".


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: cannabinated] * 3
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Trump didn’t have the gumption to put his foot down and say:  Serve your country & countrymen - wear a mask indoors in public! .  And If he’d worn a mask on camera while doing so he’d get bonus points in my book.  Such a simple thing to do. But Not enough of a conscience or a backbone to do it though. But Imagine if that had happened in Feb.  His followers already eat up almost anything he says or does - no questions asked like it’s the word of god, so I’m sure the majority of them would be Maga masked up the wazoo and even encourage it in others if he had.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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You trust the word of "Bloody Gina",
Trumps 6th National Security Advisor O'Brien(counting 2 acting temps:facepalm:),
and best bud and 4th Chief of Staff Meadows, (who's been there almost 4 months:cheer:)
Seriously?
Why were only republican congressmen invited to yesterdays briefing about this bounty?
Circle the wagon much?
If tRump didn't know, he sure as fuck should have.
Worst administration EVER.

Putin2020!
:chump: . . . :peace:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Also, what was Trump supposed to do with unverified and - even more importantly - unprovable claim that the Russians were paying Taliban to kill the US soldiers? Ask Putin if it is true? Publicly admonish him like Obama did about the interference before the 2016 elections (as if it worked lol)? Send the ICBMs? Activities like this are in the grey area no one talks about and for a good reason. Does anyone here think CIA never paid proxy players to harm the US opponents? What would CIA have done had they been publicly confronted with unverified and unprovable claims that they did? Apologise? Fire the operatives involved? Or - just maybe - privately chuckle and publicly deny? The world is a rough place, especially for troops stationed in war zones. The way you deal with nasty stuff like this is to recipricate - also secretly - to hurt the other guys until they stop.

I accept that there is an area of intelligence/counterintelligence operations the public do not need to know about. It is appalling that the media are discussing classified briefings and publishing the opinions of unnamed retired intelligence people dumping on the current lot. This is making the US look messed up and weak.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Metoo]
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The U.S. is messed up and weak.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vinsue]
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So who should I trust on this?  Someone who make believes the answers, like a CNN analyst?  He can't know if Trump was briefed or not.


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