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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit]
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I wanted to try pp5 dishes and could only find 50mm. There's also 50mm soda glass dishes which i really like. Some pp5 no pour pasty things and some 120mm boro plates new old stock i got a good deal on. I still prefer the 90mm disposable ones 💀


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit]
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Beautiful cultures as always D3! Psycho, that is a very pretty jar as well!

Inthepit said:
Why? I'm sure there's a good reason, but seems like if yer gonna pour, inoculate, wait, why not do it with some room to see the culture grow out?
Agar is cheap, time is money! Unless yer a retired old fart like meeeee!
Give me 100mm or give me death!  LOL



Agreed, especially since the price point of 60mm is not cheap enough to justify them compared to 100mm. Sure, you'd save a ton of agar with 60mm, but again, the price of 60's is too close to 100's. And the 100's give you more time to react when you have a ton of cultures lying around.

For funsies a while back, i did calculate out approximately how much each 100mm petri plus agar/LME. I use 7.5g/7.5g/500mL. At $0.17/blank dish, $1.50 for 25g agar, and $11.89 for 1lb LME, it costs ~$4.13 for 20 plates filled or $0.207 per. I don't know how many 60's get filled with 500mL agar, but let's say it fills 50. That would mean $8.15/50 or $0.163 per. That four cent difference means a ~$20 difference over a case of 500, so the 60's need to be at least $20 cheaper per case to make it worth it, and they usually run less than $15 cheaper. And to top it off, I usually get 25-30 plates per 500mL so that makes it $5.87/30 plates or $0.196 per.

tl:dr 60's aren't worth it financially. also i talk too much lol

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
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MLPismyOPSEC said:
Beautiful cultures as always D3! Psycho, that is a very pretty jar as well!

Inthepit said:
Why? I'm sure there's a good reason, but seems like if yer gonna pour, inoculate, wait, why not do it with some room to see the culture grow out?
Agar is cheap, time is money! Unless yer a retired old fart like meeeee!
Give me 100mm or give me death!  LOL



Agreed, especially since the price point of 60mm is not cheap enough to justify them compared to 100mm. Sure, you'd save a ton of agar with 60mm, but again, the price of 60's is too close to 100's. And the 100's give you more time to react when you have a ton of cultures lying around.

For funsies a while back, i did calculate out approximately how much each 100mm petri plus agar/LME. I use 7.5g/7.5g/500mL. At $0.17/blank dish, $1.50 for 25g agar, and $11.89 for 1lb LME, it costs ~$4.13 for 20 plates filled or $0.207 per. I don't know how many 60's get filled with 500mL agar, but let's say it fills 50. That would mean $8.15/50 or $0.163 per. That four cent difference means a ~$20 difference over a case of 500, so the 60's need to be at least $20 cheaper per case to make it worth it, and they usually run less than $15 cheaper. And to top it off, I usually get 25-30 plates per 500mL so that makes it $5.87/30 plates or $0.196 per.

tl:dr 60's aren't worth it financially. also i talk too much lol



Haha, ya I can't find my calculations way back in 2019. LOL
But now I would have to amortize the cost of my pretty boro plates over each run!

Reminds me of my first batch of homebrewed beer. It was around $5 a bottle!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit] * 1
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God yeah, and that's a whole different animal when it comes to cost since you could theoretically use your glass dishes indefinitely!

Was the homebrew cost due to not being cost-efficient, or do homebrews generally run that much? I've always wanted to dip my toes.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
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The cost was kinda silly, it included all the equipment.
After a few batches price was reasonable. But really it's every bit as much fun as mushrooms.
The research, picking a recipie, the cool equipment. And all easily available at yer local homebrewers store.
The smell of malt, just like agar cookin. And the hops, some peeps are hop heads!


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit] * 1
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Inthepit said:
The cost was kinda silly, it included all the equipment.
After a few batches price was reasonable. But really it's every bit as much fun as mushrooms.
The research, picking a recipie, the cool equipment. And all easily available at yer local homebrewers store.
The smell of malt, just like agar cookin. And the hops, some peeps are hop heads!



Same here was an all-grain brewer with kegging system and keezer for several years. Feels great buy a 50lb bag of malted barley and make 10 gallons of any beer you want for about $30 that is usually better than anything you can buy. I found the more money I sank into brewing, the cheaper the beer got. Not sure if it ever evens out. I will get back to it one day and make my money back. :lol:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LadysKnight]
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Right on dude!
It was really fun, even hovering over a fermenting batch!
One time I screwed the recipie and got Barley wine. I had to cut each glass with Coors! LOL


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit] * 1
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Omg I miss the smell of fermenting beer.
I've had to blend more than one batch. Eventuality I found when you blend two of your brews, you have a unique 3rd, started doing it all the time.
I still like mixing a sour beer with a miller lite.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LadysKnight]
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Tried my hand at a kit, didn’t turn out that good. Skunky, wanted to get into brewing

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: MLPismyOPSEC]
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MLPismyOPSEC said:
Beautiful cultures as always D3! Psycho, that is a very pretty jar as well!

Inthepit said:
Why? I'm sure there's a good reason, but seems like if yer gonna pour, inoculate, wait, why not do it with some room to see the culture grow out?
Agar is cheap, time is money! Unless yer a retired old fart like meeeee!
Give me 100mm or give me death!  LOL



Agreed, especially since the price point of 60mm is not cheap enough to justify them compared to 100mm. Sure, you'd save a ton of agar with 60mm, but again, the price of 60's is too close to 100's. And the 100's give you more time to react when you have a ton of cultures lying around.

For funsies a while back, i did calculate out approximately how much each 100mm petri plus agar/LME. I use 7.5g/7.5g/500mL. At $0.17/blank dish, $1.50 for 25g agar, and $11.89 for 1lb LME, it costs ~$4.13 for 20 plates filled or $0.207 per. I don't know how many 60's get filled with 500mL agar, but let's say it fills 50. That would mean $8.15/50 or $0.163 per. That four cent difference means a ~$20 difference over a case of 500, so the 60's need to be at least $20 cheaper per case to make it worth it, and they usually run less than $15 cheaper. And to top it off, I usually get 25-30 plates per 500mL so that makes it $5.87/30 plates or $0.196 per.

tl:dr 60's aren't worth it financially. also i talk too much lol



Haha thanks for the math breakdown there. I agree that there isn't enough of a price difference to warrant not doing 100s. Also the points made by others above re room to react when things aren't going well plus plenty of room to really see the growth especially when you get some nice rhizo going.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LunatikPenguin]
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I had better success with brewing mead then beer. I'm really not a drinker and half-assed the whole process.

I prefer sour-dough get that lovely fermented flavor and can eat your beer!

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: oculodextro]
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Some friends on the pepper forum had a killer sourdough starter they passed around. Forum was almost as much about food as it was hot shit. Really elevated my cooking game. Especially the monthly throwdowns we used to do.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: D3_Myc]
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D3monic said:
I’ve just wrapped mine in stacks of 5 with foil, pc and then pour... to me “no pours” are the same amount of work (if not more) but much more condensation to deal with. Never got the appeal



That's it, I'm throwing in the towel! Tried foil twice, cling wrap stack way above the PC
water level, and in a Rubbermaid container. All plates looked like drowned rats.
One batch already has 3 plates with contam.

I'm going with the oven TEK to sterilize the plates and back
to good'ol fashioned SAB pouring!

Side note, I can look it up, but the person recommending this also felt the oven increased plate longevity or something like that...
                :ruggedwink:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit]
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Inthepit said:
D3monic said:
I’ve just wrapped mine in stacks of 5 with foil, pc and then pour... to me “no pours” are the same amount of work (if not more) but much more condensation to deal with. Never got the appeal



That's it, I'm throwing in the towel! Tried foil twice, cling wrap stack way above the PC
water level, and in a Rubbermaid container. All plates looked like drowned rats.
One batch already has 3 plates with contam.

I'm going with the oven TEK to sterilize the plates and back
to good'ol fashioned SAB pouring!

Side note, I can look it up, but the person recommending this also felt the oven increased plate longevity or something like that...
                :ruggedwink:



Same. I'm just trying to sterilize to pour in the SAB but I can't justiy running the oven for a hour or more during on a 100 degree day just to sterilize 10 plates.
I guess I'm going to have to wait until I either stack up enough dishes to make it worth it or until winter. Whichever comes first. Until then sigle use disposable.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: gizmo1] * 1
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I've recently upped my lazy game. After I inoculate my drowned-rat glass no-pours, I leave them unwrapped in the sab. Nice and clear/dry in a couple days.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: gizmo1]
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Quote:
can't justiy running the oven for a hour or more...



True dat, he even goes two hours. Maybe I'll try PC again, 20min? without agar and
let them dry out before pouring.

I do realize condensation happens anyway. I suppose if the room
temperature didn't vary, then....anyway it's all part of the game.
Sterilizing glass petris

Edited by Inthepit (06/22/20 11:41 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: LadysKnight]
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LadysKnight said:
I've recently upped my lazy game. After I inoculate my drowned-rat glass no-pours, I leave them unwrapped in the sab. Nice and clear/dry in a couple days.



Man I stopped leaving anything unwrapped I'm my lab. See my problem right now is I fruit in the same area as I do my sterile work. Lately I've been having to keep a fan running anytime I'm not working in the Sab. It's pushing contams into everything I leave unwrapped.
Edit: this plate was clean and unused. Started using the fan then bam contam city.


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Edited by gizmo1 (06/22/20 11:39 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit]
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Inthepit said:
Quote:
can't justiy running the oven for a hour or more...



True dat, he even goes two hours. Maybe I'll try PC again, 20min? without agar and
let them dry out before pouring.

I do realize condensation happens anyway. I suppose if the room
temperature didn't vary, then....anyway it's all part of the game.



That sounds reasonable I think. PC is just so much more efficient than oven sterilization.
I cant keep water out of my bottom plates when pressure cooking. I need to either figure out a better way to wrap them or figure out how to elevate them alot higher in PC. Maybe both.


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Edited by gizmo1 (06/22/20 11:44 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: gizmo1]
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Amen Brudha!

Quote:
then bam contam city.



Put the trivet onna steamer, ours fits great.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Inthepit]
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This is my first ever round of agar, i used no pour and really like the simplicity, all are grain to agar except the last 2 that i used some LC leftovers. The only problem i had was condensation but i have read is just visually annoying.



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