qman said:

Pinkerton said:

qman said:

Pinkerton said:

No, EU citizens have NO moral or legal obligation to take in any third world migrants at all. They have borders, national sovereignty and citizenship for a valid reason. No one in their right mind would sign up for some insane free for all, not gonna happen.

These EU citizens you speak so highly of benefits off third world misery.

Obviously they have moral obligation to take in poverty-stricken human beings. It's very simple.

The only people that benefit from bringing in broke third world migrants into first world nations are The Elite, the rest of the 99% of the population are fucked over in a large variety of reasons.

In EU, many migrants take the jobs Europeans don't want.

If EU citizens want to help third world citizens, the best deal would be assistance from a distance. That doesn't involve inviting third world migrants with no money, education or language ability into their homelands.

Unfortunately, with this absolute crap integration-system I agree with you.

Tribalism is real, but it starts small and then moves outward depending on the environment. This one tribe is hippy pie in the sky, time to get back to reality.

I'm very aware of tribalism, as you can read here (keep reading). One tribe isn't a hippie dream. Psychopath leaders divide us. They're most often if not always right wingers and complete fucking insane.

Donald President IS NOT about one tribe he misguides the pasturage.

We need benevolent leaders.

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How many people is the EU obligated to take in according to your rules?  Where do you draw the line?  How low of a standard of living should they endure to make you feel better?

Also. how do EU citizens benefit from third world "misery"? 

It's not our leaders that divide us, it's our race, values, culture, tribalism and geography that does it.

There's the real world and there's the fantasy world you want to exist, getting self-righteous on these issues makes you feel better about yourself, but it's not realistic at all.

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How many people is the EU obligated to take in according to your rules?  Where do you draw the line?  How low of a standard of living should they endure to make you feel better?

Enough to set the standard for how first world looks after their second and third world sisters and brothers.

Also. how do EU citizens benefit from third world "misery"?

Colonialism.

It's not our leaders that divide us, it's our race, values, culture, tribalism and geography that does it.

Uhm, yes it is. The mighty 1%, remember? It's just that the masses are misguided. The masses talks when money talks and who owns the money?

There's the real world and there's the fantasy world you want to exist, getting self-righteous on these issues makes you feel better about yourself, but it's not realistic at all.

I'm proclaiming world peace. You're proclaiming tribalism. That's all I see from this dialogue. But keep it coming, I'm learning how to counter tribalism.

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So you can't quantify your immigration numbers, just what I thought. Who benefits when you turn Western nations into third world nations? Nobody.

Also, you're NOT proclaiming world peace, you're pushing for conflict and hostility for your own pleasure. When the "diversity" turns into a shitstorm you can go on your idealistic pedestal and start labeling people "racist", while giving yourself a pat on the back.

Tribalism is a part of human nature that's a survival mechanism, you can't intellectualize yourself out of it.

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Burke Dennings said:

I get it.  Gamers are infamous for their trash talk and I doubt that every instance of it is genuine.  It’s just codified language and that’s how you all talk.  While I personally wouldn’t participate in that kind of thing at this point in my life, I think younger me would’ve been attracted specifically to that component of gaming. 

I still feel like pewdiepie is a guy in his 30s (I think?) who markets to millions of elementary and middle school aged kids- he needs to be more careful about what he’s putting out there, in all manners.  He should cut ties to hate mongers like Shapiro, Peterson, Molyneaux, etc.

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lowbrow said:

Burke Dennings said:

Hopefully this event forces him to critically examine what kind of message and content he’s putting out into the world.

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You should probably watch at least a few of his videos before saying this.  They’re as tame as you can get.

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qman said:

What's there to say?  Native populations were given no voice on their nations immigration process and now we're seeing a political and social backlash.

Don't you think citizens should have a voice for their homelands immigration policies instead of the ruling elites?

If the majority of citizens want diversity through immigration, then that's the policy, I see little issue with it. But, if they object, then that's fine as well.

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What's there to say?  Native populations were given no voice on their nations immigration process and now we're seeing a political and social backlash.

Don't you think citizens should have a voice for their homelands immigration policies instead of the ruling elites?

Partly, if the immigrant integration programs all over EU steps up then I'm all for mass migration, keep those lovely and soulful black human beings entering the EU! Now if the immigrant integration is shit like it is today, then I want the EU to send huge amounts of money and workforce to the third world.

But that's not going to happen.

As it looks right now:

American corporations gave a puny $20.8 billion in 2017 to charity (this is not necessarily international affairs), about 1 percent of overall pretax profit. This includes donations of cash and products.

https://www.charitychoices.com/page/how-much-given-whom-what?fbclid=IwAR3D00czPjER74_-_IOTCJkwg_uWkgBZzh5dmmnneHBl56eDHYoJYQGZe1k

Again the demonizer is the 1%. We both know that.

But, if they object, then that's fine as well.

Object with mass murders and it's fine!? WTF qman!?

christopera said:

I don't game as much as I used to, no motivation on my part, but when I did we used to say nasty shit to each other all the time. In college my buddy and I even had a guy knock on our door and try to beat us up because we called his girlfriend a pussy. We never said anything racist though.

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Do not really game socially anymore, and have gotten out of trash talk
am also openly critical of non-friend trash talk -- used to play Elder Scrolls Online and was quite vocal in telling the company they should remove the ability for enemies in PvP content to message (and thus taunt/harass) others
it's 'fine' when it is in private; pewdiepie did it with a mic and a videocamera before remembering the mic and video camera were there
my opinion of the situation would even be different if he had made his statement directed to the other player in the game that shot him
rather than as a non-directed expression of frustration

that said,
do trash talk my cat with things like "nigga, what the hell do you want" when he is being obnoxious and meowing
but do not direct that at people, let alone black people,
and that whole subconcious racism testing stuff gives me results of having a positive bias towards black people

lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

No they don’t. They’re just delighted to have a persecution complex so they have something to throw back when actually oppressed groups are discussed.

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But "diversity" makes us stronger!! 

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It does. Google “evolutionary biology.”

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Citations now.

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ballsalsa said:

Evolution doesn't work toward a goal of survival, it is undirected.  Survival is just a side effect.
You're thinking of the concept of intelligent design.

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Thanks for the knowledge.

Surely survival is a mechanism of evolution like you sai it's a side effect. If there was no survival there would be no evolution? The more people that survive, the longer we probably survive. Having that said, overpopulation could kill us all. Or a gigantic meteor could crash into planet Earth and wipe us all out.

Is that what you mean by evolution being undirected?

I'm completely blank on science and evolution but eager to learn.

ballsalsa said:

Evolution doesn't work toward a goal of survival, it is undirected.  Survival is just a side effect.
You're thinking of the concept of intelligent design.

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ballsalsa said:

I mean that evolution is just randomness playing itself out.  There are selection pressures from the environment, but nobody set the process in motion and there is no goal or purpose in mind.

Intelligent design is the exact same thing but supposing a will that did set the process in motion with a specific goal or purpose in mind.

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Noted.

But we don't know if there is a goal or purpose in mind. Things MIGHT not be random. There could very well be a deeper meaning behind everything. I'm not saying this is the ultimate truth but I keep an open mind.

Pinkerton said:

qman said:

Pinkerton said:

No, EU citizens have NO moral or legal obligation to take in any third world migrants at all. They have borders, national sovereignty and citizenship for a valid reason. No one in their right mind would sign up for some insane free for all, not gonna happen.

These EU citizens you speak so highly of benefits off third world misery.

Obviously they have moral obligation to take in poverty-stricken human beings. It's very simple.

The only people that benefit from bringing in broke third world migrants into first world nations are The Elite, the rest of the 99% of the population are fucked over in a large variety of reasons.

In EU, many migrants take the jobs Europeans don't want.

If EU citizens want to help third world citizens, the best deal would be assistance from a distance. That doesn't involve inviting third world migrants with no money, education or language ability into their homelands.

Unfortunately, with this absolute crap integration-system I agree with you.

Tribalism is real, but it starts small and then moves outward depending on the environment. This one tribe is hippy pie in the sky, time to get back to reality.

I'm very aware of tribalism, as you can read here (keep reading). One tribe isn't a hippie dream. Psychopath leaders divide us. They're most often if not always right wingers and complete fucking insane.

Donald President IS NOT about one tribe he misguides the pasturage.

We need benevolent leaders.

---

How many people is the EU obligated to take in according to your rules?  Where do you draw the line?  How low of a standard of living should they endure to make you feel better?

Also. how do EU citizens benefit from third world "misery"? 

It's not our leaders that divide us, it's our race, values, culture, tribalism and geography that does it.

There's the real world and there's the fantasy world you want to exist, getting self-righteous on these issues makes you feel better about yourself, but it's not realistic at all.

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How many people is the EU obligated to take in according to your rules?  Where do you draw the line?  How low of a standard of living should they endure to make you feel better?

Enough to set the standard for how first world looks after their second and third world sisters and brothers.

Also. how do EU citizens benefit from third world "misery"?

Colonialism.

It's not our leaders that divide us, it's our race, values, culture, tribalism and geography that does it.

Uhm, yes it is. The mighty 1%, remember? It's just that the masses are misguided. The masses talks when money talks and who owns the money?

There's the real world and there's the fantasy world you want to exist, getting self-righteous on these issues makes you feel better about yourself, but it's not realistic at all.

I'm proclaiming world peace. You're proclaiming tribalism. That's all I see from this dialogue. But keep it coming, I'm learning how to counter tribalism.

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koods said:

Lol now the right is gonna claim this attack is proof immigration is bad because they can’t comtrol their own hate

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The Ecstatic said:

Diversity is good for the same reason inbreeding is bad.

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Pinkerton said:

All this gaming talk is a bit off-topic IMO.

Pewdiepie is just a small piece of the gigantic puzzle.

Go to the very root of it all:

Finding common ground.

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Dark Souls is my common ground with Enlil, this subforum's moderator
he likely knows exactly where in game that sort of transphobic messaging appears when playing online,
whether his world showed up with an "Amazing trap ahead" or a "beware of trap," it likely had over 1000 upvotes -- popular democratic support that kept it visible to as many players as possible
it is just my hope he got a chuckle out of it as I actually did

Gwyndolin: trans icon in a community (gamers) that constantly gets referenced for trans discrimination