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Invisibleluvdemshrooms
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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2860964 - 07/06/04 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So let's sum up what we've learned about you today.

1. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is a redneck.
2. You have no wish to be confused by facts.

Well OK then.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2860971 - 07/06/04 10:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

weren't these the same people that were "defending" muslim extremists? :smirk:


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2860978 - 07/06/04 10:42 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

here is my question again, in case ya'll missed it:

Quote:

Besides evolving and ancalagon, where is the criticism of Bush then? Please dont point me to some random, three-line post from two months ago.




I'll be waiting for answer and some links.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2860982 - 07/06/04 10:43 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

save one or two posters (ancalagon and evolving), why are the so-called "libertarians" on this board are the ones who are first to defend Bush and rarely ever criticize him?

defending bush and pointing out bullshit are two different things.

the libertarians here are not happy with mr. bush. i think you'll find that most of the libertarians are unhappy with his expansion of the federal government, enormous medicare package, meddling with free speech, failure to veto spending bill after spending bill after spending bill, the steel tariffs, etc. etc. that won't keep them from pointing out that the photo of him holding up capped binoculars is a fake, his "ties to hitler" mean zilch, or that john kerry fell of his bike too; when that's all certain people on this board can come up with.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2860995 - 07/06/04 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I'll be waiting for answer and some links




links to what?


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: ]
    #2860996 - 07/06/04 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

the libertarians here are not happy with mr. bush. i think you'll find that most of the libertarians are unhappy with his expansion of the federal government, enormous medicare package, meddling with free speech, failure to veto spending bill after spending bill after spending bill, the steel tariffs, etc. etc.




Correct. I am just curious why those "libertarians" here who supposedly do not support these initiatives rarely, if ever, ever speak up and criticize Bush.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: ]
    #2861005 - 07/06/04 10:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:


defending bush and pointing out bullshit are two different things.




See the and rarely ever criticize him part of my original post.

Quote:

save one or two posters (ancalagon and evolving), why are the so-called "libertarians" on this board are the ones who are first to defend Bush and rarely ever criticize him?




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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2861016 - 07/06/04 11:02 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

let's see what i'm upset with Bush about:

Foreign spending
Government Spending
Larger more intrusive government - Patriot act, more police power (scary as hell)
Anti-american accusations (with us or against us speech)
His accusations that he's a conservative.
WMD.

Let's see what people on this site say that are BS:

Bush = Hitler
Bush Knew
America is evil
Understanding muslim extremists reasons.
Editorials taken as fact

Those are just a few, i'm sure there are plenty more.

who are these people defending him?


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2861019 - 07/06/04 11:03 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I see. Since it's not done often enough to suit YOU, then that's a sign that libertarians = Bush supporters.

Maybe the libertarians here missed the memo stating it's all about you and the henceforth all posters are required to meet bio's standards of bashing.

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2861029 - 07/06/04 11:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2861033 - 07/06/04 11:13 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well, the typical practice of issue-based forums on messageboards is to create threads about actions, issues, and opinions that you agree or disagree with. I see very little threads by the so-called libertarians on this board that criticize Bush for the issues listed above by mushmaster and innvertigo.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2861036 - 07/06/04 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Correct. I am just curious why those "libertarians" here who supposedly do not support these initiatives rarely, if ever, ever speak up and criticize Bush.

for the same reason that there are very few threads created in criticism of drug prohibition: most of us agree about it. people don't make threads about topics for which there is general agreement. the libertarians here do have problems with policies of george bush.

here's my (abbreviated) list:

1. appointing john ashcroft
2. supporting attacks on free speech
3. supporting drug prohibition
4. invading iraq
5. supporting the patriot act in its entirety
6. shameless misuse of words like "liberty" and "freedom" in his speeches.
7. support of programs which obscure the distinction between church and state.
8. enormous spending, medicare in particular.

i think that most of the libertarians here agree on all of these points. the thing is that so does just about everyone else, so why bother posting about it?

now if one the socialists makes a post about bush's "ties to hitler" and a libertarian member refutes the importance or accuracy of the claims, this isn't "defending bush" any more than if a libertarian created a thread blasting bush's medicare spending and a socialist spoke up in support of it.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: ]
    #2861044 - 07/06/04 11:16 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

so why bother posting about it?



Why to make bio happy of course.

Wait a minute.... are you saying you didn't get the memo either?

Those damn memo senders! Sack em' all!


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2861055 - 07/06/04 11:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wait a minute.... are you saying you didn't get the memo either?

just got it. i'll be back in a bit. i'm off to find a terrorist mastermind for my avatar.  :wink:


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2861056 - 07/06/04 11:22 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I never got a memo. :frown:


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: ]
    #2861093 - 07/06/04 11:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I see many threads throughout the Shroomery regarding drug prohibition.

I think something as complex as immigration, church/state, medicare, and the invasion of iraq are not topics of "general agreement" nor are they topics that can be disregarded as being unnecessary - even among libertarians. are you all made of the same cookie-cutter? of course not.

I would like to hear more of the libertarian critique of the Bush administration. I wish ya'll would step up the plate.


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2861124 - 07/06/04 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
Besides evolving and ancalagon, where is the criticism of Bush then?



/me raises hand

/also points to grib, mushmaster, and whiterasta


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2861434 - 07/06/04 02:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you!


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: Vvellum]
    #2862583 - 07/06/04 09:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
save one or two posters (ancalagon and evolving), why are the so-called "libertarians" on this board are the ones who are first to defend Bush and rarely ever criticize him?



Because half the threads on this forum are bashing Bush. I rarely have anything to add and I don't defend him so much as I point out false allegations against him. For the record I am willing to state that I DO NOT LIKE BUSH. That does not mean I think he planned the terrorists attacks or knew about them or that he rapes and murders cute little puppies in the Lincoln bedroom. Pointing out stupid or inaccurate allegations does not equal defending Bush.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: Right wing "libertarians"? [Re: z@z.com]
    #2863935 - 07/07/04 06:57 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Pointing out stupid or inaccurate allegations does not equal defending Bush. 




Ditto. :thumbup:


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