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Offlinekykeon
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Human Rights... the Bush Way
    #1478238 - 04/21/03 06:16 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I was sent these photos and thought that everyone should see:







...no comment.




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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1478240 - 04/21/03 06:19 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Imagine the media outcry if you had seen american pows treated like that in Iraq.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1478242 - 04/21/03 06:22 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Disgusting.But not supprising.We already saw Iraqi prisoners paraded on
tv while the news reports condonded the Iraqis for doing the same thing with
there prisoners of war.Double standards are pretty common at the moment it
seems.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: Paid]
    #1478254 - 04/21/03 06:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Does any of these soldiers feel akward with the facts?

(a) that even if those arrested people are the worst criminals ever [i doubt], its not that cool to tie them up inside the airplane like that. Their arms will be pulled out if the flight lasts many hours.
(b) that they are being photographed...


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1478334 - 04/21/03 08:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

One soldier seems to be placing his hand over his face to
avoid the picture.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1478372 - 04/21/03 09:26 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why is anyone surprised? The government treats citizens in a like manner. Get stopped with a 1/4lb in your car and see how you are treated.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: Paid]
    #1478402 - 04/21/03 10:05 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

One soldier seems to be placing his hand over his face to
avoid the picture. 




yeah... at least he proves he is human. I dont blame the soldiers, as they are ordered to do whatever they do [although sometimes they act by themselves]. But imagine, if NOONE accepted to be a soldier, then no war could be done. But this is sooooooooo fuckin unrealistic; its in our nature to behave like the crudest animals. Sometimes i ask myself if EVERYONE attended gatherings with Entheogens, to worship LIFE in its purest meaning, could this prevent humans from being so raw? I doubt. I think its only us that we understand and feel differently and can improve ourselves thru the use of Entheogens. Pls comment on that. :smile:
 


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1478556 - 04/21/03 11:42 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

These people are held in Guantanamo just to make Americans feel that they're safe. Terrorists are behind bars. Even if they were probably just some peasants working on their poppy fields when they were picked up. Meanwhile the war in Afghanistan still continues, it just doesn't make it to the main news.

This forum is a good example that use of Entheogens doesn't really change people. Many support war anyway. I hated the army ever since I remember. Maybe because I live in an area where 1 million people died in 1917-18. It's easier to find bayonets, skulls & ammunition in the woods then mushrooms. I cannot even imagine what was going on here. A symphony of stupidity.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: zeronio]
    #1478972 - 04/21/03 02:28 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

...I live in an area where 1 million people died in 1917-18





Because of one shot fired in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914...


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: grib]
    #1479293 - 04/21/03 04:47 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Quote:


...I live in an area where 1 million people died in 1917-18




Because of one shot fired in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914...







Or because of one ape who was born a tiny amount more clever than the rest. And his mind invented a bubble to hold this ape in it safe. Conciousness of Existance. And then what? Whats the meaning of life? Each of us discover it in a different place. Some like to seek for it thru oppressing others.

I start to think that my race, the fuckin human one, is the most cursed of them all. We are so hopeless to help even ourselves.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: grib]
    #1479307 - 04/21/03 04:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There was a huge tension behind that.. the shot was fired for a reason


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1479313 - 04/21/03 04:53 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

i'm a little confused as to what your point is. are these men not prisoners? is it uncommon for prisoners to be kept inside fences and bound by their hands?


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: ]
    #1479351 - 04/21/03 05:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Well it might be common in america, but most of the rest of the world
thinks that that could be classed as cruel and unusal punishment.

Does the way there tied and blind folded seem ok to ??if so i would have hated to grow up were you did.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: Paid]
    #1479379 - 04/21/03 05:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: zeronio]
    #1479867 - 04/21/03 08:11 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

This forum is a good example that use of Entheogens doesn't really change people. Many support war anyway.

i was wondering when someone was going something like that. i disagree with you.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: ]
    #1480308 - 04/21/03 10:34 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

actually, i think he was dead on. this forum has practically every viewpoint represented. mushrooms don't lead one to any conclusions they couldn't have come to anyway. they can serve as a catalyst if one really wants to see things differently, but there is no worldview that mushrooms inevitably lead everyone to.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1480406 - 04/21/03 11:07 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Your point is???? Where are the broken limbs and beaten senseless??? This is pretty humane and normal to how someone should be treated if they were to be trying to kill me.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: Cracka_X]
    #1480414 - 04/21/03 11:09 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

There is strong evidence that many of these "illegal combatants" were mistreated, and even tortured to death in at least 2 cases. These pictures however, are nothing special in my opinion.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: kykeon]
    #1480423 - 04/21/03 11:12 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Does any of these soldiers feel akward with the facts?

(a) that even if those arrested people are the worst criminals ever [i doubt], its not that cool to tie them up inside the airplane like that. Their arms will be pulled out if the flight lasts many hours.
(b) that they are being photographed...




I don't think their arms will be pulled out

Their faces aren't being shown so there's no prob.


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Re: Human Rights... the Bush Way [Re: OOOO]
    #1480430 - 04/21/03 11:13 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

If some of the prisoners were tortured/killed those responsible need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I have as of yet seen no evidence of this happening however.


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