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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: XUL]
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Don’t waste your time. You already lost this one. You don’t know what you’re talking about.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: koods]
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https://www.dallasnews.com/business/economy/2018/03/29/playing-incentives-game-texas-economic-development-wars-zero-sum-deal

It’s really big in Texas. Not a Democratic state.

Texas used to play radio ads here trying to lure DC/MD/VA high tech companies to Texas with tax incentives.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (11/16/18 10:42 AM)

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Don’t waste your time. You already lost this one. You don’t know what you’re talking about.



Let's see if CNN does.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: XUL]
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CNN is fake news


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NotSheekle said
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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: koods]
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CNN:

Amazon HQ2 plans get mixed reaction in New York and Northern Virginia

The victors, New York and Virginia, delivered. The final deals revealed on Tuesday showed they provided total incentives worth about $2.8 billion total — extraordinarily generous offers to a company whose profits in 2017 totaled $3 billion on $178 billion in revenues, and whose founder Jeff Bezos is the wealthiest man in the world.

Jimmy Van Bramer, the New York Council member representing Long Island City, and Michael Gianaris, the area's state senator, were less thrilled.

"Amazon duped New York into offering unprecedented amounts of tax dollars to one of the wealthiest companies on Earth," they wrote in a statement. "It is unfathomable that we would sign a $3 billion check to Amazon in the face of these challenges."

That number only reflects the value of subsidies if Amazon hires the expected 25,000 employees in each location. If the company were to add 40,000 employees, and also win additional New York City tax breaks afforded to all companies that meet certain qualifications, the total amount of subsidies could go as high as about $5.5 billion.

Already, a New York state legislator has signaled he plans to introduce a bill to block the deal by phasing out the economic incentive statutes upon which the agreement is based.

"There is a much better way of allocating our taxpayer's money that will directly help the communities," said New York State Assemblyman Ron Kim

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/13/tech/amazon-hq2-winners-react/index.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/13/business/amazon-hq2-subsidies/index.html


Subsidies for the richest man in the world!

Idiots.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: XUL]
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Every single bidder offered similar incentives.


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NotSheekle said
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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: koods]
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Are you mad that amazon went to liberal cities? Of course they did. Republican parts of the country are economic backwaters with an uneducated and drug addicted population.


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NotSheekle said
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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: koods]
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koods said:
CNN is fake news



Damn straight.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: XUL] * 4
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The Democrats are pretty much as shameless as the Republicans  when it comes to shovelling public money into the hands of the rich.

Democrats are the party of the ruling class that lets gay people get married.  This latest excess from the nanny state is not surprising.

The other party of the ruling class plays off of religious nonsense to get people to vote for elitist bullshit.


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Either you repeat the same conventional doctrines everybody is saying, or else you say something true, and it will sound like it's from Neptune.  -Noam Chomsky

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: VroomerMcZoomers] * 1
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
The Democrats are pretty much as shameless as the Republicans  when it comes to shovelling public money into the hands of the rich.

Democrats are the party of the ruling class that lets gay people get married.  This latest excess from the nanny state is not surprising.

The other party of the ruling class plays off of religious nonsense to get people to vote for elitist bullshit.



Here here.  :toast:

Xul, I think you see that no Democrat here supports corporate welfare.  We need to continue to vote out corporate democrats in favor of more progressive ones.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Unfortunately, local governments need to offer tax incentives to be competitive with other jurisdictions. I don’t know what can be done about the situation. Any ideas?


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NotSheekle said
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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: koods] * 1
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Maybe the states, instead of competing against one another, could collude and form some kind of... union.

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
VroomerMcZoomers said:
The Democrats are pretty much as shameless as the Republicans  when it comes to shovelling public money into the hands of the rich.

Democrats are the party of the ruling class that lets gay people get married.  This latest excess from the nanny state is not surprising.

The other party of the ruling class plays off of religious nonsense to get people to vote for elitist bullshit.



Here here.  :toast:

Xul, I think you see that no Democrat here supports corporate welfare.  We need to continue to vote out corporate democrats in favor of more progressive ones.



I don't support corporate welfare, but it is something that can't be worked around in our system very easily. Politicians care about short term results, and bringing jobs into their state/city via corporate subsidies is a great way to achieve those.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Republicans and Democrats fall over each other trying to be the first in line to get on their knees for big corporations. A company like Amazon that is valued at almost $1 trillion does not need a mere $4 or 5 billion in tax breaks. In fact, they should be taxed more not less.

If the Democrats continue on this path, we will see more Communist-like candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who have little to no real world experience, winning elections based exclusively on emotionally charged rhetoric. This would be terrible for the US economy.

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Re: NY Democrats subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: XUL] * 2
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XUL said:
Isn't it a little strange how democrat leaders would love to help out a corporate powerhouse by giving them billions of dollars in tax breaks? What about principle, anti-1%, and anti-tax cuts?

"New York promised Amazon $1.525 billion in incentives, including $1.2 billion over the next 10 years as part of the state’s Excelsior tax credit. The state also pledged to help Amazon with infrastructure upgrades, job-training programs and even assistance “securing access to a helipad” — none of which came with a price tag."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/business/economy/amazon-hq2-va-long-island-city-incentives.amp.html



Yeah it’s almost like both major parties are puppets of the capitalist ruling class.

What an amazing revelation.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: BlasphemousNoob] * 1
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Quote:
If the Democrats continue on this path, we will see more Communist-like candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who have little to no real world experience, winning elections based exclusively on emotionally charged rhetoric. This would be terrible for the US economy.



Yes.  Fixing problems makes them worse.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: VroomerMcZoomers] * 1
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XUL is right. Democratic socialists like AOC would love nothing more than to sell America off to large corporations.

He’s such a bright lad.


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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: BlasphemousNoob]
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BlasphemousNoob said:
Republicans and Democrats fall over each other trying to be the first in line to get on their knees for big corporations. A company like Amazon that is valued at almost $1 trillion does not need a mere $4 or 5 billion in tax breaks. In fact, they should be taxed more not less.

If the Democrats continue on this path, we will see more Communist-like candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who have little to no real world experience, winning elections based exclusively on emotionally charged rhetoric. This would be terrible for the US economy.



You don't think she's not already bought and paid for by the corporate sponsors?  "Liberals" sellout real easy when it comes to their own well-being.

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
Quote:
If the Democrats continue on this path, we will see more Communist-like candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who have little to no real world experience, winning elections based exclusively on emotionally charged rhetoric. This would be terrible for the US economy.



Yes.  Fixing problems makes them worse.



How is electing candidates like Cortez going to fix any of these problems? She couldn't even answer a simple question on how she expects the US government to pay for the Medicare for all plan she supports except to say we will "just pay for it" since she says it's cheaper than what we have now (spoiler: it's not).

I agree with a lot of what she says, but I have yet to see any real solutions to any problems she has openly criticized.

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Re: NY Capitalists subsidize corporate Amazon [Re: qman]
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qman said:
BlasphemousNoob said:
Republicans and Democrats fall over each other trying to be the first in line to get on their knees for big corporations. A company like Amazon that is valued at almost $1 trillion does not need a mere $4 or 5 billion in tax breaks. In fact, they should be taxed more not less.

If the Democrats continue on this path, we will see more Communist-like candidates like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who have little to no real world experience, winning elections based exclusively on emotionally charged rhetoric. This would be terrible for the US economy.



You don't think she's not already bought and paid for by the corporate sponsors?  "Liberals" sellout real easy when it comes to their own well-being.



I see her as another Bernie Sanders. She'll be in Congress 30+ years and won't change a thing, but she will say the right things election time to get reelected.

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