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Wary about friend
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Some of my friends have expressed an interest in shrooms. This is exciting and worrying, because I’ve learned the highs and lows of the drug and see it as something kind of private. However, I’m sure tripping with some kind friends could be an amazing experience.

However, one or my best friends worries me a little. Most people would probably say he’s fine, but in him I see a lot of narcissism and ego. He always brags about feats, often to a ridiculous extent without realizing it until somebody calls him out and he spends forever trying to explain himself, always has an excuse when things don’t go his way, and acts as though he knows more than he does. He was interrupting me while I explained shrooms as best I could to everyone with his own agreements/disagreements with what I said despite having never touched a psychedelic.

Not to mention, he gets very easily caught up in small problems and thoughts, and absentmindedly yet anxiousy shifts from objective to objective as though he’s a confused businessman. His attention span is among the shortest I’ve ever seen. He also is prone to getting really out of it on high doses of weed, getting distant and irritable sometimes. He convinces himself of things very easily and is quicker to defend his position than to consider it.

Because of all of this and more, I’m just not convinced he’s ready for shrooms. I can’t know how his trip would go, but I sure can imagine it going wrong- maybe delusions, maybe exaggerating the effects, maybe thinking they’re weak, maybe a harsh blow to the ego. Who knows though.

Do you think its a more experienced users responsibility to decide on things like this? I don’t want to upset him, and it’s possible I’m overstating the possible negative outcomes of a common dose first time shroom trip. On the other hand, I just want second opinions on how this type of personality (attention seeking, absentminded, self-focused, thinking they’re an expert, but ultimately meaning well) might react. Maybe the mushrooms will be a much needed kick in the ass, maybe they’d mess him up. I don’t want to risk it, but perhaps I should just let him have what he wants?

p.s. i realize this post is a shrink’s dream- no i do not hate my friend. hes one of the people im closest to. but in many ways hes messed up, lack of self awareness and all. im not exaggerating when i say he will talk about the most mundane of explanations as to why he said something for 5-10 minutes, not realizing the entire room was in disbelief. takes an hour to get ready and is often late due to fixing himself in the mirror. its messed but love him to death.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: jdawg333]
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You did your best and warned him of the potential dangers, so you’ve done all you can. I do think he’ll get a bit of beating maybe but as long as you’re there to support him he should be able to move through. Best case scenario: He’s just super cocky and takes it like it’s nothing. Worst case: He gets hubris and will have to struggle for a bit. As long as you keep him in a setting like nature and away from people you’re probably gonna be fine. Last time I had a pretty big dose it was just full on visual for me and barely any mental effects aside from the occasional thought loop so it’s just a matter of mindset. If he just wants to see things move around than that’s what he’ll get. Also pro tip: Smoke weed, helps a lot to mellow people out and to calm them down.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Lootje]
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yeah, if he starts having tough issues from introspection just talk him through it. be gentle and kind, shrooms lower mental barriers.

if you're really worried maybe you can sneak in a lower dose for him or something. like brew tea for everyone, brew a weaker concoction for him, and make sure he gets that one. not too much weaker of course, but enough so he doesn't get completely blasted into orbit if he's not ready for that.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Psion]
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Omg he sounds like my basic nightmare. I can't even be around people like that.

No it's not your place to decide if he should or shouldn't do mushrooms. But it is your place to decide whether you want to give him mushrooms or trip with him and I'd say don't do either.

Mushrooms could actually make him a better person and reign in his ego but I couldn't personally trip with him and by the way you're describing him and therefore perceiving him I'd recommend you don't trip with him either.

It will send you under.


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: MrCraggles]
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If you really want to help your friend, show him this post. If youd like for him to learn his lesson, give him 5g. :smile:


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Cody2C]
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Cody2C said:
If you really want to help your friend, show him this post. If youd like for him to learn his lesson, give him 5g. :smile:


Omg I just burst out laughing.

Yes PLEASE give him 5g! Mwuhahaha


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: MrCraggles] * 1
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No it's not your place to decide who does or doesn't get to use mushrooms imo

I mean you may have the power to decide if you're the one who has them, but imo who are you to say who is or isn't ready?

Imo I would think he would benefit from it.

It's his choice in the end. If he wanted to do them already and decided he wants to try them, that's his decision.

But I do understand what you mean at the same time, I just think it's for the person eating them to decide, noone else.

I would imagine it would probably help him realize some of the issues you talk about and deflate his ego a bit, give him some perspective on his behavior

But what do I know :shrug:


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Enkidu]
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If he wants to do a psychedelic, great. But, the other posters are correct you don’t have to supply or be present.

Is it just you and him? Or will there be anyone else?

If you are having a difficult time working yourself up to just the idea of dealing with him in a much more chaotic state than his baseline.... imagine what the other trippers will have to go thru.

If it’s just you and him, still be cautious, be prepared to spend the bulk of time dealing with his suppressed past, or if he still can’t open up, his supremely inflated ego.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Enkidu]
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This stuff is unpredictable. Shrooms may help him. They may terrify him by bringing up more issues than he’s ready to handle. It’s a crapshoot and honestly, it depends on what set/setting factors are in play at the time. While it’s not anyone’s place to decide or tell him what he can or cannot do, I do think that it’s wise to be discerning about who you trip with, especially if you’re playing the role of gatekeeper.

If you’re skeptical, start him off at 2 grams and see how it goes. If there are no issues/if he has a blast, then move up in the future. Don’t trip with him at all if something doesn’t feel right. The expectation/set issue alone would make It more likely for a rough time.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: CountHTML]
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To me it just sounds like a group of friends and you're thinking about excluding one of them.

Maybe that's not the way it is ...?

:shrug:

If I don't like people I don't fuck with them. If I do fuck with them I don't exclude them.

Do what you think is right op


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Enkidu]
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I don't think that anybody should control who tries shrooms, nor is it just about excluding a friend. I know that they want to try them, and that they know I'm experienced with them (even if they don't understand why that's important). It's about whether or not I want to be there for their first experience and provide it to them.

It's not just me and him, it is also another friend. The other curious friend is somebody whom I just met a couple months ago, but already he seems to be somebody who really has his head on straight. Very self confident, not super concerned about what anyone else thinks, very accommodating without being in your face. Perfect dude to trip with, I'm thinking, and he's mostly just interested in seeing what various drugs have to offer without many expectations.

On one hand, being around sober or not for their first psychedelic experience would comfort them a bit, and I'd be around to keep things under control and not fuck with them. On the other hand, tripping with them is pretty much out of the question because I'd be worried sick, and they won't listen when I tell them to wait until we have a good nature spot where nobody can bother us- they want to do it in the dorm, and the last few times I've done that have been pretty torturous at some points but still insightful. In addition, I do not want to be held responsible for any bad trips, especially mid trip.

This post is kind of just a vent, though, because the idea of tripping with him just stresses me out and he can't figure out why for the life of him when it just seems so obvious to me why he might not mix with psychedelics at this point of his life. I'm starting to think that he'll be so optimistic and cocky going into the experience that it might still turn out well lol, but I'm not sure if that's how medium shroom doses work.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: jdawg333]
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When sharing mushrooms for the first time with a friend I always make sure I have 50mg quetiapine (antipsychotic) to hand to end the trip if they lose their shit and needed to end it quickly.

I only had to use it once when my friend ate 6 grams for his first time. I should NEVER have allowed that! Haha it was wild but he handled it really well until ego death grabbed hold of him. Cocky boy was shouting 'is this all you've got bring it on' at the trip.

Mushrooms slapped him straight into place haha.


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: jdawg333]
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People who get interested in shrooming are pretty much ready for exploring it, at least at a mild dose.  So don't go overboard whatever you do, but maybe be supportive and issue a few warnings up front to at least cover your ass in case well, you know.  :shrug:


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: PrimalSoup]
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If you feel uncomfortable then don’t trip with them. That feeling alone may make a bad experience for you. There’s no room for judgment about this, it just is what it is. The most practical thing to do is listen to yourself and what your feelings about this are trying to tell you.

Psychedelics are amplifiers of whatever we have going on in our heads, known and unknown to us. Trust yourself. Don’t do anything that doesn’t feel right. You’re not responsible for this person or their use/non use of psychedelics. If they’re meant to use them they’ll use or find them (my psychedelic, agnostic faux-superstition creeping in here :wink:).


We all have our own relationships with these things. Sometimes others join us along the way. Ultimately, though, it is about what’s going on in our own heads.

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Re: Wary about friend [Re: CountHTML]
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He sounds like he could benefit from a large dose :smile: humble his ass out


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: internal traveler]
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10g in a cup of tea.

Yeah man it's a 8th, but you gotta chug it.

~Drinks it.

You√Alright bro I'm going out...

Stays at friends place.


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: XnMe]
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Lol don't over dose people w/o there knowledge
But I would honestly brew up 10 gs and see how cocky his ass his


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: XnMe]
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Then leave :mushroom2:


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: XnMe]
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That's pretty fucked up and extremely irresponsible.

Especially when OP said he is one of his "best" friends.

Even if you're joking, fucking with peoples minds is one of the most fucked up things you can do.

Have you taken 10g in tea? If not, you don't even know what you're forcing him to experience.


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Re: Wary about friend [Re: Enkidu]
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Omg I can't even imagine what 10g in tea would be like haha. It would be pure hell! I wish it was possible for me to experience it for like 20 seconds just to have a peak.


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