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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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Precisely.


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Enlil]
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:whateverhuman:


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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Thanks for the clarification.

I learned something.


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
koods said:
Look he’s going to be confirmed most likely. Hopefully there will be some follow up and we can impeach him later. It will free up a seat.



See, I can agree with that.

Let Ford file a criminal law suit.



A criminal law suit? Law suits are civil not criminal.


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
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Another classmate and drinking buddy has released a statement saying Kavanaugh was lying about his past behavior. He said that kavanaugh once instigated a fight that ended with one of the participants getting arrested. Should be easy to get that police report or at least arrest record.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods] * 1
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has anyone brought up kavs work with the patriot act. suspending consitutional rights and leading to obamas mass surveillance?

https://epic.org/2018/08/kavanaugh-white-house-counsel-.html
Quote:
On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee released the first production of records for Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh from his time as associate counsel for George W. Bush. Roughly 5,700 pages of documents were made available to the public. The documents show that Kavanaugh assisted in the effort to pass the Patriot Act and drafted a statement that President Bush incorporated in the bill signing. Kavanaugh wrote that the PATRIOT Act will “update laws authorizing government surveillance,” which he claimed, and President Bush then restated, were from an era of “rotary phones.” In fact, the PATRIOT Act weakened numerous U.S. privacy laws, including the subscriber privacy provisions in the Cable Act and the email safeguards in the Electronic Communications Privacy Act. Both laws were enacted after the era of rotary phones. Congress amended the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act after it was revealed that the White House had authorized warrantless wiretapping of Americans beginning in 2002. In an email exchange, Kavanaugh wrote that the PATRIOT Act was a "measured, careful, responsible, and constitutional approach . . . .” EPIC recently submitted two urgent Freedom of Information Act requests for Judge Kavanaugh’s records during his time serving as Staff Secretary for President Bush.




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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: JHOVA]
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https://www.scribd.com/document/389847436/Mitchell-Memo#download&from_embed



edit:  well, that's not copying over too well.  just follow the link


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Memorandum TO: All Republican Senators FROM: Rachel Mitchell, Nominations Investigative Counsel United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary DATE: September 30, 2018 RE: Analysis of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s Allegations
Please permit me this opportunity to present my independent assessment of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford’s allegations against Judge Brett Kavanaugh. Before I do this, I want to emphasize two important points: 1.

This memorandum contains my own independent assessment of Dr. Ford’s allegations,  based upon my independent review of the evidence and my nearly 25 years of experience as a career prosecutor of sex-related and other crimes in Arizona. This memorandum does not necessarily reflect the views of the Chairman, any committee member, or any other senator. No senator reviewed or approved this memorandum before its release, and I was not pressured in any way to write this memorandum or to write any words in this memorandum with which I do not fully agree. The words written in this memorandum are mine, and I fully stand by all of them. While I am a registered Republican, I am not a  political or partisan person. 2.

A Senate confirmation hearing is not a trial, especially not a prosecution. The Chairman made the following statement on September 25, 2018, after he hired me:
As I have said, I’m committed to providing a forum to both Dr. Ford and Judge Kavanaugh on Thursday that is safe, comfortable and dignified. The majority members have followed the bipartisan recommendation to hire as staff counsel for the committee an experienced career sex-crimes prosecutor to question the witnesses at Thursday’s hearing. The goal is to de-politicize the process and get to the truth, instead of grandstanding and giving senators an opportunity to launch their presidential campaigns. I’m very appreciative that  Rachel Mitchell has stepped forward to serve in this important and serious role. Ms.  Mitchell has been recognized in the legal community for her experience and objectivity.  I’ve worked to give Dr. Ford an opportunity to share serious allegations with committee members in any format she’d like after learning of the allegations. I promised Dr. Ford that I would do everything in my power to avoid a repeat of the ‘circus’ atmosphere in the hearing room that we saw the week of September 4. I’ve taken this additional step to have questions asked by expert staff counsel to establish the most fair and respectful treatment of the witnesses possible.
That is how I approached my job. There is no clear standard of proof for allegations made during the Senate’s confirmation process. But the world in which I work is the legal world, not the political world. Thus, I can only provide my assessment of Dr. Ford’s allegations in that legal context.


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In the legal context, here is my bottom line: A “he said, she said” case is incredibly difficult to prove. But this case is even weaker than that. Dr. Ford identified other witnesses to the event, and those witnesses either refuted her allegations or failed to corroborate them. For the reasons discussed below, I do not think that a reasonable prosecutor would bring this case based on the evidence before the Committee. Nor do I believe that this evidence is sufficient to satisfy the preponderance-of-the-evidence standard.
Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of when the alleged assault happened.


In a July 6 text to the
Washington Post
, she said it happened in the “mid 1980s.”


In her July 30 letter to Senator Feinstein, she said it happened in the “early 80s.”


Her August 7 statement to the polygrapher said that it happened one “high school summer in early 80’s,” but she crossed out the word “early” for reasons she did not explain.


A September 16
Washington Post
article reported that Dr. Ford said it happened in the “summer of 1982.”


Similarly, the September 16 article reported that notes from an individual therapy session in 2013 show her describing the assault as occurring in her “late teens.” But she told the
Post
and the Committee that she was 15 when the assault allegedly occurred. She has not turned over her therapy records for the Committee to review.


While it is common for victims to be uncertain about dates, Dr. Ford failed to explain how she was suddenly able to narrow the timeframe to a particular season and particular year. Dr. Ford has struggled to identify Judge Kavanaugh as the assailant by name.


No name was given in her 2012 marriage therapy notes.


No name was given in her 2013 individual therapy notes.


Dr. Ford’s husband claims to recall that she identified Judge Kavanaugh by name in 2012. At that point, Judge Kavanaugh’s name was widely reported in the press as a  potential Supreme Court nominee if Governor Romney won the presidential election.


In any event, it took Dr. Ford over thirty years to name her assailant. Delayed disclosure of abuse is common so this is not dispositive. When speaking with her husband, Dr. Ford changed her description of the incident to become less specific.


Dr. Ford testified that she told her husband about a
“sexual assault”
before

they were married.


But she told the
Washington Post
that she informed her husband that she was the victim of “
physical abuse
” at the beginning

of their marriage.


She testified that, both times, she was referring to the same incident. Dr. Ford has no memory of key details of the night in question—details that could help corroborate her account.


She does not remember who invited her to the party or how she heard about it.


She does not remember how she got to the party.

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She does not remember in what house the assault allegedly took place or where that house was located with any specificity.


Perhaps most importantly, she does not remember how she got from the party back to her house.
o

Her inability to remember this detail raises significant questions.
o

She told the
Washington Post
that the party took place near the Columbia Country Club. The Club is more than 7 miles from her childhood home as the crow flies, and she testified that it was a roughly 20-minute drive from her childhood home.
o

She also agreed for the first time in her testimony that she was driven somewhere that night, either to the party or from the party or both.
o

Dr. Ford was able to describe hiding in the bathroom, locking the door, and subsequently exiting the house. She also described wanting to make sure that she did not look like she had been attacked.
o

But she has no memory of who drove her or when. Nor has anyone come forward to identify him or herself as the driver.
o

Given that this all took place before cell phones, arranging a ride home would not have been easy. Indeed, she stated that she ran out of the house after coming downstairs and did not state that she made a phone call from the house before she did, or that she called anyone else thereafter.


She does, however, remember small, distinct details from the party unrelated to the assault. For example, she testified that she had exactly one beer at the party and was taking no medication at the time of the alleged assault. Dr. Ford’s account of the alleged assault has not been corroborated by anyone she identified as having attended—including her lifelong friend.


Dr. Ford has named three people other than Judge Kavanaugh who attended the party— Mark Judge, Patrick “PJ” Smyth, and her lifelong friend Leland Keyser (née Ingham). Dr. Ford testified to the Committee that another boy attended the party, but that she could not remember his name. No others have come forward.


All three named eyewitnesses have submitted statements to the Committee denying any memory of the party whatsoever. Most relevantly, in her first statement to the Committee, Ms. Keyser stated through counsel that, “[s]imply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was  present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.” In a subsequent statement to the Committee through counsel, Ms. Keyser said that “the simple and unchangeable truth is that she is unable to corroborate [Dr. Ford’s allegations] because she has no recollection of the incident in question.”
o

Moreover, Dr. Ford testified that her friend Leland, apparently the only other girl at the party, did not follow up with Dr. Ford after the party to ask why she had suddenly disappeared. Dr. Ford has not offered a consistent account of the alleged assault.


According to her letter to Senator Feinstein, Dr. Ford heard Judge Kavanaugh and Mark Judge talking to other partygoers downstairs while she was hiding in the bathroom after the alleged assault. But according to her testimony, she could not hear them talking to anyone.





You can also see the timeline from pages 6:9 if you follow the link

Edited by Tulipslave (10/01/18 07:16 AM)

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Tulipslave]
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Not surprising that she wouldn't have recommended pressing charges.

Doesn't mean the allegations aren't true. :shrug:

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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waves said:
Not surprising that she wouldn't have recommended pressing charges.

Doesn't mean the allegations aren't true. :shrug:





of course it doesn't, but this is a person who does this for her job, and even she thinks, from a legal standpoint, that the allegations are flimsy at best.

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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Her job?
Did you notice the republican panel were too afraid to do their own questioning,
yet they were ready willing and able to personally kiss judge feely-grabby's ass when they could have asked some real questions.


She's basically a republican partisan hack, bought and paid for by the republican Senators,
wtf did you think she would say?

(the little guy below is the truth pursued by Rep. Senate panel, just so you know)

:mob: . . . :peace:


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said:
She's basically a republican partisan hack, bought and paid for by the republican Senators,
wtf did you think she would say?

(the little guy below is the truth pursued by Rep. Senate panel, just so you know)

:mob: . . . :peace:






so by your logic, hiring a Democratic person of equal credentials would be just as obfuscated becasue she would be a "democratic partisan hack"


outstanding

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Tulipslave]
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Yes. We have an adversarial legal system. She is a prosecutor hired by one side. Her job was to poke holes in her story. Don’t be so naive

It is funny that as soon as she starting poking holes in HIS story, she didn’t get to ask any more questions.

Whether the allegations are true or not, he perjured himself during the hearing and not only should he not be confirmed he should lose his current gig. He’s a disgrace to the judiciary

Edited by koods (10/01/18 11:04 AM)

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Yes. We have an adversarial legal system. She is a prosecutor hired by one side. Her job was to poke holes in her story. Don’t be so naive






then why are we, the taxpayers, even paying for her services?

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Tulipslave]
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Idk take it up with your republican friends.

Why do we have to pay for trump to play golf twice a week


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (10/01/18 11:05 AM)

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Tulipslave]
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Republicans hiring a democrat to do their dirty work?
That's laughable...
unless maybe as a nanny or landscaper.






Oh wait, they probably hire undocumented labor for that.




:putin: . . . :peace:


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Tulipslave]
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lol


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: vinsue]
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koods said:
Idk take it up with your republican friends.

Why do we have to pay for trump to play golf twice a week





that could be said for most presidents, though maybe only once a week, most weeks



also, what republican friends?



vinsue said:
Republicans hiring a democrat to do their dirty work?
That's laughable...
unless maybe as a nanny or landscaper.






Oh wait, they probably hire undocumented labor for that.




:putin: . . . :peace:







so you agree that your logic is flawed and that any Democratic equal to Mitchell would be just as "politically biased" in your view?

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Tulipslave] * 2
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My logic flawed?
In what world would a Republican even think of hiring a Democrat,
regardless of their qualifications? Be real.

The only reason they hired her was to avoid the appearance of looking like a gang
of rich, white, old fart misogynists ganging up on a woman.

Most of their minds were probably already to vote yes to another rich, white, (hopeful to grow old) fart misogynist.

. . . :peace:


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: vinsue]
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In all honesty, what does race have to do with this?


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: vinsue]
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vinsue said:
My logic flawed?
In what world would a Republican even think of hiring a Democrat,
regardless of their qualifications? Be real.

The only reason they hired her was to avoid the appearance of looking like a gang
of rich, white, old fart misogynists ganging up on a woman.

Most of their minds were probably already to vote yes to another rich, white, (hopeful to grow old) fart misogynist.

. . . :peace:





yes, your logic is flawed.

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