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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL]
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the first link is the emails you said nobody has seen

so...nothing?

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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waves said:
XUL said:
She didn't mention Kavanaugh's name in therapy.




According to her she did. :shrug: And has written record of that from her counselor.


XUL said:
Nobody here has read the emails.




https://www.scribd.com/document/388011903/Kavanaugh-emails?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=38395X1559799X2e3b4398513ca5e3197f740a2b617182&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate

You keep saying that but I have posted them in this thread multiple times.

XUL said:
Bart is not Bret.




I know you don't actually believe that. So not spending time on that one.


XUL said:
The next few reasons you listed are hearsay.

Polygraphs are erroneous.




Well contrary to what he said during the hearing, apparently Kavanaugh himself believes they can be useful, considering he wrote an opinion saying exactly that:

https://www.justice.gov/oip/sack-v-dod-no-14-5039-2016-wl-2941942-dc-cir-may-20-2016-kavanaugh-j

XUL said:
It's not his responsibility to call for investigations. And now there is an investigation.

No corroboration.




Every single thing about her story checks out. Even the calendar Kavanaugh presented supported her story.


XUL said:
I believe this man is innocent. Maybe the FBI will find something. Or maybe Ford will file formal charges in her state.

And imagine if you are wrong.



I'm not wrong :shrug:

If you couldn't look in his face and see that he was lying during that hearing, you are extremely gullible.



Just going to quote this again so it is at the top of the page. It seems like XUL is having a little trouble keeping up with all the evidence I am presenting.

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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I am having trouble.

I am on a phone and the screen is small.

Do you concede that Ford did not use Kavanaugh's name in therapy?


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
Do you concede that Ford did not use Kavanaugh's name in therapy?



No, I do not. lol

For all I know, you could be right. But you have presented absolutely zero evidence to support that. You just keep saying it.

And from what I remember of the hearing she said she has written evidence from a couples counseling session in 2012 where she talked about the assault.

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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Let me find you a link.


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves]
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Still, Ford’s testimony itself seems to have a few holes:
Ford's account of who attended the party has changed several times. According to the Washington Post report, Ford's therapist's "notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room." Ford's polygraph contradicts this statement. In her polygraph she said there were “4 boys and a couple of girls at the party.” During her testimony on Thursday, Ford revised her WhatsApp conversation with the Washington Post reporter "to clarify that more than four people may have been present at the party in question and that an individual named 'PJ' was not a 'bystander' to her alleged attack and that she does not allege that he knew about it."

----->Ford says she did not name Kavanaugh in her therapy sessions. Her husband, however, told the Washington Post that Kavanaugh did come up during the sessions. As the Washington Post report said, "In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions ... he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh’s last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh — then a federal judge — might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court."

Ford referred several times to the hippocampus, the center of the brain that holds emotion and memory, and that it aids in searing trauma into that part of the brain. However, the only things that seem seared into her brain are things that mar Kavanaugh — not anything that could prove her allegations such as the exact year, day, time of day, how she arrived at the party, how she got home from several miles away, or the name of the fourth person she remembers attending the gathering.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/holes-in-christine-blasey-fords-testimony-cast-doubt-that-brett-kavanaugh-was-her-assailant%3f_amp=true


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL]
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But her story is also growing less believable by the day. Here are eight reasons why it’s hardly “anti-woman” for senators to question her account at Thursday’s hearing:

1) For starters, Ford still can’t recall basic details of what she says was the most traumatic event in her life. Not where the “assault” took place — she’s not sure whose house it was, or even what street it was on. Nor when — she’s not even sure of the year, let alone the day and month.


Ford’s not certain how old she was or what grade she was in when she says an older student violently molested her. (But she doesn’t plead inebriation: She described having just “one beer” at the party.)

2) Ford concedes she told no one what happened to her at the time, not even her best friend or mother. That means she can rely on no contemporaneous witness to corroborate her story.

3) Worse, the four other people she identified as attending the party, including Kavanaugh, all deny knowledge of the gathering in question, including Leland Ingham Keyser, who she calls a “lifelong friend.”

Keyser’s lawyer told the Senate Judiciary Committee: “Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with or without Dr. Ford.”


The other two potential witnesses — Mark Judge and Patrick “P.J.” Smyth — also deny any recollection of attending such a party. The committee took their sworn statements “under penalty of perjury.” “These witnesses directly contradict Professor Ford’s allegations against Judge Kavanaugh,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley advised Ford’s attorneys last week.

In her original letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Ford claimed that Kavanaugh talked to Keyser and Smyth right after he assaulted her. Yet neither shares her memory.

This is, to say the least, highly problematic for her case. No witness corroborates any part of her story.

4) Her own immediate family doesn’t appear to be backing her up, either. Her mother, father and two siblings are all conspicuously absent from a letter of support released by a dozen relatives, mostly on her husband’s side of the family.


The letter attests to her honesty and integrity. “Why didn’t her parents and brothers sign the letter?” a congressional source familiar with the investigation wondered.

5) This summer, Ford tried to reach out to old friends from high school and college to jog her memory. They couldn’t help her. “I’ve been trying to forget this all my life, and now I’m supposed to remember every little detail,” Ford complained to one friend in July, according to an account in The San Jose Mercury News.

6) Yet she still pushed forward with her bombshell charge, contacting The Washington Post tip line and Democratic lawmakers, while hiring a Democratic activist lawyer. Ford is also a Democrat, as well as an anti-Trump marcher, raising questions about the motive and timing of the allegations along with their veracity.


7) Ford contends that notes her therapist took in 2012 corroborate her account. But they don’t mention Kavanaugh.

They also point up inconsistencies in her story. For instance, her shrink noted that Ford told her there were “four boys” in the bedroom, not two as she now says. The notes also indicate Ford said she was in her “late teens” when she was assaulted. But Ford now says she may have been only 15.

8) In another inconsistency, Ford told The Washington Post she was upset when Trump won in 2016, because Kavanaugh was mentioned as a Supreme Court pick. But Kavanaugh wasn’t added to Trump’s list of possibles until November 2017, a full year later.

On top of all that, Kavanaugh “unequivocally denied Dr. Ford’s allegations . . . under penalty of perjury” during a Sept. 17 interview with committee lawyers, Grassley said, adding he was “forthright and emphatic in his testimony” and “fully answered all questions.”

The sworn interview will no doubt be used to test the consistency and veracity of his public statements Thursday.

Yet Democrats have already tried and convicted Kavanaugh of sexual assault. Without hard evidence, without substantiation, some even go beyond Ford’s claims to call him an out-and-out “rapist,” “sexual predator,” even a “child predator.”

As a result, Kavanaugh and his family, “including his two young daughters, have faced serious death threats and vicious assaults,” Grassley said. “And they’re getting worse each day.”

Ford, who also has received threats, is by all accounts a respected scientific researcher in the field of psychology with an impressive pedigree. While that makes her credible, the same can’t be said for her story. Unless she can fill in the many holes, Kavanaugh still deserves the presumption of innocence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/09/25/eight-big-problems-for-christine-blasey-fords-story/amp/


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
I am having trouble.

I am on a phone and the screen is small.

Do you concede that Ford did not use Kavanaugh's name in therapy?



Honestly it doesn’t matter at this point. His performance in Thursday makes him ineligible for any kind of judge position


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods]
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I watched the whole thing.
I also watched the despicable behavior of the Senate panel in the Anita Hill fiasco 27 years ago
and a lot of the Nixon impeachment hearings in 1974.
I've always followed politics rather closely.


Dr Ford's testimony was 100% believable. She had no reason to lie.
Kavanaugh came off as a deceitful, contemptuous, privileged asshole
who dodged more questions than he answered.
He had every reason to lie.

Maybe the reason Kavanaughs party buddys can't remember is because they were high on booze and Quaaludes.:smirk:
( Preppie catholic kids bought way more drugs from me than my fellow public school classmates did.
They never asked for a "front" either because they always had cash. )

:waits: 4 his bookie or drug dealer to come forward.
A FBI grant of immunity would go far in ferreting out the real truth.

I'd really love to see someone come forward and admit to sucking his dick, even once, while he was in HS or college.

Are you still a virgin if someone sucked your dick? Even if you don't cum?
How about if you yourself are indeed the cocksucker, still a virgin?

These questions probably need to be argued before the Supreme Court.
:courtjudge: . . . :peace:


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: vinsue] * 2
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I saw this last night, thought it was interesting.


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: vinsue] * 1
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XUL said:
1) For starters, Ford still can’t recall basic details of what she says was the most traumatic event in her life. Not where the “assault” took place — she’s not sure whose house it was, or even what street it was on. Nor when — she’s not even sure of the year, let alone the day and month.




She said in her statement at the hearing that it was the summer of '82, so I don't know where you got that idea. We are able to pinpoint the time period pretty accurately, because she knows she saw Mike Judge working at Safeway about 6 weeks after it happened. According to Judge's book he did indeed work at Safeway in summer of '82.

The part about the house isn't surprising at all. I partied at many houses in high school and college, and I wouldn't know the location of a majority of them if asked. And I am much younger than Christine Ford.

XUL said:
Ford’s not certain how old she was or what grade she was in when she says an older student violently molested her. (But she doesn’t plead inebriation: She described having just “one beer” at the party.)




Again, you are wrong about that. She said at the hearing that she was 14 or 15 and that she was a freshmen or sophomore.

During the summer she would of course be neither a freshmen or a sophomore. If her birthday is in the summer, it would also make sense that she isn't sure if she was 14 or 15.


XUL said:
2) Ford concedes she told no one what happened to her at the time, not even her best friend or mother. That means she can rely on no contemporaneous witness to corroborate her story.

3) Worse, the four other people she identified as attending the party, including Kavanaugh, all deny knowledge of the gathering in question, including Leland Ingham Keyser, who she calls a “lifelong friend.”


Keyser’s lawyer told the Senate Judiciary Committee: “Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with or without Dr. Ford.”




"Leland Ingham Keyser, a friend of the woman accusing Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault when they were at a party in high school, does not refute the veracity of the allegation, although she does not remember the alleged incident, her lawyer said in a letter to the Senate Judiciary Committee."
-https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/29/politics/ford-friend-cooperate-fbi/index.html

XUL said:
The other two potential witnesses — Mark Judge and Patrick “P.J.” Smyth — also deny any recollection of attending such a party. The committee took their sworn statements “under penalty of perjury.” “These witnesses directly contradict Professor Ford’s allegations against Judge Kavanaugh,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley advised Ford’s attorneys last week.

In her original letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Ford claimed that Kavanaugh talked to Keyser and Smyth right after he assaulted her. Yet neither shares her memory.

This is, to say the least, highly problematic for her case. No witness corroborates any part of her story.





None of those points is surprising or significant in anyway. Of course they would all deny it. I would probably do the same if I was in there position and had no memory of the incident.


XUL said:
4) Her own immediate family doesn’t appear to be backing her up, either. Her mother, father and two siblings are all conspicuously absent from a letter of support released by a dozen relatives, mostly on her husband’s side of the family.

The letter attests to her honesty and integrity. “Why didn’t her parents and brothers sign the letter?” a congressional source familiar with the investigation wondered.




They probably don't want to have to hire a security detail to protect them from GOP nutjobs like their daughter had to do.


XUL said:
5) This summer, Ford tried to reach out to old friends from high school and college to jog her memory. They couldn’t help her. “I’ve been trying to forget this all my life, and now I’m supposed to remember every little detail,” Ford complained to one friend in July, according to an account in The San Jose Mercury News.




??? Did you include this one by accident? Nothing for me to really refute here.


XUL said:
6) Yet she still pushed forward with her bombshell charge, contacting The Washington Post tip line and Democratic lawmakers, while hiring a Democratic activist lawyer. Ford is also a Democrat, as well as an anti-Trump marcher, raising questions about the motive and timing of the allegations along with their veracity.




She is a well educated women. Most educated people are anti-Trump.


XUL said:
7) Ford contends that notes her therapist took in 2012 corroborate her account. But they don’t mention Kavanaugh.

They also point up inconsistencies in her story. For instance, her shrink noted that Ford told her there were “four boys” in the bedroom, not two as she now says. The notes also indicate Ford said she was in her “late teens” when she was assaulted. But Ford now says she may have been only 15.




Where is your source on this?

XUL said:
8) In another inconsistency, Ford told The Washington Post she was upset when Trump won in 2016, because Kavanaugh was mentioned as a Supreme Court pick. But Kavanaugh wasn’t added to Trump’s list of possibles until November 2017, a full year later.




Easy mistake to make

XUL said:
On top of all that, Kavanaugh “unequivocally denied Dr. Ford’s allegations . . . under penalty of perjury” during a Sept. 17 interview with committee lawyers, Grassley said, adding he was “forthright and emphatic in his testimony” and “fully answered all questions.”




So maybe he lied? What's your point?

XUL said:
The sworn interview will no doubt be used to test the consistency and veracity of his public statements Thursday.




Cool

XUL said:
Yet Democrats have already tried and convicted Kavanaugh of sexual assault. Without hard evidence, without substantiation, some even go beyond Ford’s claims to call him an out-and-out “rapist,” “sexual predator,” even a “child predator.”

As a result, Kavanaugh and his family, “including his two young daughters, have faced serious death threats and vicious assaults,” Grassley said. “And they’re getting worse each day.”




Oh please. What's your point? Kavanaugh wants to be a Supreme Court Justice. He thinks he is worthy of judging all rest of us, we should be able to thoroughly judge him first.

Every single aspect of his life should be up for scrutiny. He does not deserve to have secrets, or privacy, or a family life. As far as I am concerned, if he becomes a justice, his only reason for existence is to serve us until he dies. 

If he is worried about how his family is handling that scrutiny maybe he shouldn't have accepted the nomination.

The guy is part of a justice system that ACTUALLY ruins peoples lives all the time. Karma is a bitch. :shrug:

XUL said:
Ford, who also has received threats, is by all accounts a respected scientific researcher in the field of psychology with an impressive pedigree. While that makes her credible, the same can’t be said for her story. Unless she can fill in the many holes, Kavanaugh still deserves the presumption of innocence.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/09/25/eight-big-problems-for-christine-blasey-fords-story/amp/




Kavanaugh doesn't deserve anything. None of us owe him shit. This isn't a criminal trial.

And of course, whether or not he is actually innocent really doesn't matter at this point.

He has lied under oath and made it clear is not supreme court justice material with his partisan attacks during the hearing.

Edited by waves (09/29/18 05:54 PM)

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Burke Dennings]
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Yeah but senator klobashar didn’t answer if she was a blackout drunk either


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods] * 2
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That moment could only have been funnier if Kavanaugh had pulled out an Uno deck from his pocket and slammed down the Reverse card while asking her her question.  What a dumbass.

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: Burke Dennings]
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The most surprising thing about the hearing to me was how inept Kavanaugh was a lying. It was just so obvious.

Considering he has probably spent years watching people lie in court, I guess I figured he would be a really smooth talker.

Seems like he made the same mistakes anybody would probably make when lying, though. Overly defensive, evading questions, turning the questions around on the other person instead of answering, etc.

I imagine knowing the whole country was watching (including people who could call you out on your BS) had something to do with it.

It's always harder to lie when somebody listening actually knows the truth, even if the person who knows the truth isn't the person you are lying to at that moment. It just makes is harder to believe in your lie, IME. 

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: waves] * 1
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“I don’t know if Bart O’Kavanaugh was based on me”

Gimme a break


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods]
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Passions are high.

:awehigh:


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL]
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Did you find him credible when he said that? Or when he said that boofing refered to farting?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods]
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Fiction exists for a reason.

Farting? I don't know. It's good.


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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: XUL]
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You dodge questions like a trump nominee


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Ford v Kavanaugh [Re: koods]
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Man there’s a lot of his classmates coming out saying he was blatantly lying about his drinking


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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